That's certainly been true here in New York with Andrew Cuomo, who forced coronavirus patients back into nursing homes and then tried to blame first Trump and then the nursing homes themselves!

Speaking of that, the ER psychiatrist I mentioned early on in the thread happens to have a mother-in-law in a nursing home in New York, and recently posted the following in regards to Cuomo playing the blame game:

My wife’s mother, sadly with advanced Alzheimer Disease, resides in a very nice nursing home in New York. We’ve been getting regular updates from the facility throughout the pandemic. What wasn’t mentioned in this article was Cuomo refused to allow nursing homes to test their patients for the virus until after this had all blown up a couple weeks ago. The home had to send very sick patients to the hospital and only then could they be tested — and they typically died soon afterwards.

The nursing home leadership have been exceptionally diplomatic in every live webinar report to families, but you could sense their frustration in being forced by Cuomo to accept active covid patients and then denied any tools to manage them.

This was a couple of days ago, so I didn't think to ask the good doc at the time, but I'm guessing the part about having to send the patients to the hospital to get tested is saying that nobody from the state health department came up with the obvious idea of sending those mobile testers to the nursing homes to do the tests.

I get the feeling the stores don't necessarily want it.  The ones I frequent have signs up saying it's a government mandate.

I heard from an acquaintance in one state (I think it's either VA or NH) that his state is planning to enforce the mask mandate by fining businesses that have unmasked customers.  This effectively shanghais the businesses into being an arm of the state enforcing the law, while encouraging more bullying against those engaged in civil disobedience because those people are hurting business, not themselves.

One thing not much mentioned in all of this is how in spite of the propaganda about the so-called bullying "epidemic", the propaganda over the coronavirus has basically made certain types of bullying a virtue.

Civil disobedience = the inconvenience of having to wear a mask in a pandemic.  A mask that does nothing to inhibit your personal freedoms while helping to protect yourself and others.  Does anyone want to wear a mask?

It's great you can make light of kids killing themselves over being bullied and trying to associate it with being you being so egregiously oppressed.  I'm guessing you're talking about all those incidents in Oklahoma were people on the street and workers in restaurants were threatened for having a mask on.  I personally don't give two fucks anymore as it's pointless in this society but it is absolutely absurd to feel your freedoms are threatened by temporarily having to wear a mask during a pandemic.  This isn't about your freedoms, it's about "ownin' libs".   

You're a regular Thoreau.  Own your shit.

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@Fedya posted:

Thanks for posting that.  I have the misfortune of living in Ohio and I can tell you the director of health is completely incompetent and has been fear mongering from when this started.  Some of the decisions they have made here for what's opened and what's closed has been puzzling.  You can go get a tattoo as soon as things opened  but they are keeping hiking trails in remote state parks closed.  But overall our governor has done a decent job with making sure things were done smartly.

As for a mask I hate wearing it but I will do it because it is for best for everyone.  I am a big believer in personal freedoms but I will put that aside for protecting others.

@Hungry5 posted:

Yes, I wear a mask (N95 type) whenever I go to an indoors public place. 

Not an inconvenience. It's the smart thing to do after understanding the science. 

Only place I see people not wearing a mask, and it's less than 15% or so, is Walmart.

I go out to get things I need from Fleet Farm. After the stay at home order was removed, I'd say only 20% of the people are wearing facemarks, there. At my local butcher shop, I'd say the majority of people have masks on and practice social distancing. I have a grocery delivery service for all other items I need. That service operates out of Target. So far, that works well. Wearing a mask, during a pandemic, should be mandatory, no matter what freedoms people think they have. I always wear mask if I need to go out. It is no inconvenience, for me to do so, either.

640 new cases  here in Georgia in the past 24 hours.  15 deaths in the last 24 hours. When I head out to the grocery store, its about 60% wearing masks...we opened up quite a while ago, but it remains to be seen how this works out....i'm giving it a few more weeks.....I wear a mask to the store...keep a hand sanitizer in my car and do what ever it takes so i , and my family do not get this crap.

 

 

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@mrtundra posted:

I go out to get things I need from Fleet Farm. After the stay at home order was removed, I'd say only 20% of the people are wearing facemarks, there. At my local butcher shop, I'd say the majority of people have masks on and practice social distancing. I have a grocery delivery service for all other items I need. That service operates out of Target. So far, that works well. Wearing a mask, during a pandemic, should be mandatory, no matter what freedoms people think they have. I always wear mask if I need to go out. It is no inconvenience, for me to do so, either.

Yup, no shirt, no shoes, no mask no service.

I just don't understand how wearing a mask became a political statement. Wear a mask that says "MAGA" on it, or "I love 2A" as a statement if that's what you want.  Just wear a mask when you go into a place that is inside and you are going to be in close proximity to other people. 

We are now in a situation where about 5,000 people a week are dying because of this and a huge portion of the country just has a collective attitude of "so what." 

I just don't understand how wearing a mask became a political statement. Wear a mask that says "MAGA" on it, or "I love 2A" as a statement if that's what you want.  Just wear a mask when you go into a place that is inside and you are going to be in close proximity to other people. 

We are now in a situation where about 5,000 people a week are dying because of this and a huge portion of the country just has a collective attitude of "so what." 

People think their freedom is being compromised when they are asked to follow some basic common sense things to protect themselves and others. Or God forbid they are asked (or even worse, ordered) to stay home for a couple of months. 

There's also the flawed thought process of everyone else is wearing a mask, that means I don't have to. Thanks, everyone else! 

In the end, it's stupid people doing what they do. 

@Henry posted:

BTW, it should be noted that today The Shitbag of the United States claimed people wear masks to protest against him.  So that may have something to do with it.

You'd think the fact that he's the head of the executive branch which includes agencies that report to him that are recommending wearing masks might cause some people to think about why he's telling people to ignore his own agency's advice? I know that would require some independent thinking.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronaviru...ings-information.pdf