SteveLuke posted:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/aaron-rodgers-takes-shot-at-critics-of-national-anthem-protests-on-instagram/ar-AAsxI9L?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

So I guess "unity" tomorrow means the fans who do not approve of the protests are to STFU and demonstrate their fealty to the Packer players.

How in the **** did you get that from an instagram post that was joking that the photographers weren't standing and were wearing hats?

It must be exhausting to be that afraid and paranoid of everything in the world. Literally ****ing exhausting.  

CAPackFan95 posted:

SteveLuke posted:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/aaron-rodgers-takes-shot-at-critics-of-national-anthem-protests-on-instagram/ar-AAsxI9L?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

So I guess "unity" tomorrow means the fans who do not approve of the protests are to STFU and demonstrate their fealty to the Packer players.

How in the **** did you get that from an instagram post that was joking that the photographers weren't standing and were wearing hats?

It must be exhausting to be that afraid and paranoid of everything in the world. Literally ****ing exhausting.  

So when MSN, yes MSN not Fox or any other horrible right-wing outlet but MSN, states AARON RODGERS TAKES SHOT AT CRITICS OF NATIONAL ANTHEM PROTESTS, what precisely did you interpret that to mean?

Surely, surely, you're not saying MSN is "fake news" are you?

RochNyFan posted:

BrainDed posted:

The vast majority, save for a few hate groups, are for equality.  The problem with Rodgers statement is, in many peoples opinions, the roots of the protest are not based on examples of inequality.   The protest originally was about police treatment of minorities and some high profile cases and responses to those cases in particular.   

The problem, in my opinion, is that the left cites all these stats about minorities being targeted by police and they never ask why, just assume racist cops.  Yes, minorities are arrested and jailed at rates that far outnumber whites per capita.  Some argue that it's because minorities commit more violent crime per capita than other groups.  This is a fact.   So, yes race is a factor at this level, but it's racial profiling, not flat out racism YET.  When your city hires new police officers, where are they deployed to?   White suburbia or the inner city?  Why?  Because that is where the crimes are being committed. 

Of course you can't stop there if you really care about ever finding a solution.   You have to ask why are crimes being committed in these areas by this group at a higher level than any other group?     The answer is probably poverty.  Then you have to ask why does this group have higher poverty rates?   The answer is probably education.  So on and so on until you get to the answer of trying to recover from years of institutional racism and in some cases continued institutional racism. 

But that's not what Collin was kneeling over or what has been discussed in the media.  And that's not why Collin wore socks with pigs on them and so on.   So here we are. 

 

Well said.  I would respect protesters more if they put their money where their mouths, or knees, were.  How about doing a little more to contribute to healing, like supporting education, and poverty initiatives....things designed to break the cycle of hopelessness and crime in many areas.  I remain skeptical that all who protest are doing it for genuine reasons.  Can't help but think many are out for attention. 

1) Which is why we have such an equitable society already.  The majority of people couldn't give a rat's ass until someone like Kaepernick makes you all uncomfortable.  

2) See point 3

3) You could've saved yourself a lot of time in meaningless pontificating by cutting to the "probably poverty" comment.  Take that entire paragraph you wrote and then match that up against your original statement of how everyone really wants equality.  Then take a look to who is gutting resolutions for those problem areas.  Because teachers are evil unionists who deserve your scorn.  Yeah, they sure want equality knowing what even us mopes on a football BB know and yet attack education and poverty programs.  What would Bill Proxmire say?

 Here's every stat you could want.  

4) Of course there is absolutely no correlation between Pig socks and overall inequality.  None. 

5) Put their money where their mouth is.  Again, do a google search and quit being lazy.  Here's one right off the bat. Michael Bennett before "I'll blow your ****ing head off".

SteveLuke posted:

CAPackFan95 posted:

How in the **** did you get that from an instagram post that was joking that the photographers weren't standing and were wearing hats?

It must be exhausting to be that afraid and paranoid of everything in the world. Literally ****ing exhausting.  

So when MSN, yes MSN not Fox or any other horrible right-wing outlet but MSN, states AARON RODGERS TAKES SHOT AT CRITICS OF NATIONAL ANTHEM PROTESTS, what precisely did you interpret that to mean?

Surely, surely, you're not saying MSN is "fake news" are you?

Since you are the one who fell for the headline, it's his fault?  

Here is what I do, sometimes I find that when examining the information, websites will sensationalize a headline to get people to click the link or post the link in a message board.  It may not even be the headline the author intended (lots of time, authors don't get to even put the headline in there).  So, I read, perhaps even seek out a few other sources, then draw a conclusion myself.  If the headline is whack, I don't get bent out of shape or perpetuate it.  I call it "the facebook" rule.  

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SteveLuke posted:

CAPackFan95 posted:

SteveLuke posted:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/aaron-rodgers-takes-shot-at-critics-of-national-anthem-protests-on-instagram/ar-AAsxI9L?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

So I guess "unity" tomorrow means the fans who do not approve of the protests are to STFU and demonstrate their fealty to the Packer players.

How in the **** did you get that from an instagram post that was joking that the photographers weren't standing and were wearing hats?

It must be exhausting to be that afraid and paranoid of everything in the world. Literally ****ing exhausting.  

So when MSN, yes MSN not Fox or any other horrible right-wing outlet but MSN, states AARON RODGERS TAKES SHOT AT CRITICS OF NATIONAL ANTHEM PROTESTS, what precisely did you interpret that to mean?

Surely, surely, you're not saying MSN is "fake news" are you?

I interpret that as to confirm you're a Trump toadie living on soundbytes and flashy headlines instead of reading the ****ing article and using some critical thinking.  

You do know how the "if it bleeds it leads" ethos exists in the media, which is corporate owned?

I bet Billy Proxmire knew that.

Billy Proxmire cured autism

GBFanForLife posted:

Brainwashed Boris posted:

Between 45-65????

How about 45-100!

It's going to work because Aaron Rodgers is leading it.

Personally, I would have been happier if Rodgers kept his mouth shut.

I would've been happier if Trump kept his mouth shut.  

Floridarob posted:

you can delete mine Hungry. I went on a rant about your comment. I get that way when Henry is around. I get in a "how does he say it" a pretzel. 

Get ready for some mustard.

One of the reasons that our country is so heavily divided today is that a large segment of the population on each side of an argument is so heavily entrenched, they absolutely refuse to listen to the other side, give their position any credence, and actually converse on the issues.  Rather, the exchange consists of a series of sarcastic remarks, personal attacks, and dismissive responses. 

Unfortunately, I see many examples of this on x4.    

We're better than that.

Lambeau Lobo posted:

One of the reasons that our country is so heavily divided today is that a large segment of the population on each side of an argument is so heavily entrenched, they absolutely refuse to listen to the other side, give their position any credence, and actually converse on the issues.  Rather, the exchange consists of a series of sarcastic remarks, personal attacks, and dismissive responses. 

Unfortunately, I see many examples of this on x4.    

We're better than that.

You're being naive. 

Take the recent healthcare bill where Patty Murray working with Bob Corker gave almost every concession they wanted and it was still shot down.  There is no middle ground if the overall platform of one side is scorched earth.  And yet you saw the spineless Democrats concede and concede again.  There has to be two to tango and at this point there are none to tango.  I kind of draw the line at thinly veiled statements at every turn in support of nationalism and open racism.

HEY YOU POT STIRRING INGRATE, STICK TO FUTBOL!

SteveLuke posted:

So when MSN, yes MSN not Fox or any other horrible right-wing outlet but MSN, states AARON RODGERS TAKES SHOT AT CRITICS OF NATIONAL ANTHEM PROTESTS, what precisely did you interpret that to mean?

Surely, surely, you're not saying MSN is "fake news" are you?

You are adorable.

But to be perfectly clear I would never use the term fake news unless to mock people like you. My new rule in life is anyone that says “triggered”or “snowflake” or “fake news” unironically is generally to be ignored because they have the cognitive abilities of an eggplant. 

When Trump re-tweeted a post about Pat Tillman fighting for freedom is when I legitimately wanted to smash Trumps grill in with a sledgehammer. 

I know for a mother ****ing certainty that Pat Tillman would never allow Trump or any president to use him as a propaganda tool for benefit. He told every reporter no thanks for an interview when he enlisted. 

Pat was a super complex guy when he bailed on the NFL for Army Ranger. He had HIS  reasons. He was a hyper curious guy that was never on board with what he was being asked to do. But he was a soldier and followed orders. 

If Pat was still with us he'd beat Trump to death. And Bush. And many in congress. 

But Trump is a dumbass for not understanding the historical context of what he's posting on twitter. Again. And again. He's a ****ing moron. 

Trump is Freud's wet dream.

Now I want a pretzel. 

SteveLuke posted:

CAPackFan95 posted:

SteveLuke posted:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/aaron-rodgers-takes-shot-at-critics-of-national-anthem-protests-on-instagram/ar-AAsxI9L?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

So I guess "unity" tomorrow means the fans who do not approve of the protests are to STFU and demonstrate their fealty to the Packer players.

How in the **** did you get that from an instagram post that was joking that the photographers weren't standing and were wearing hats?

It must be exhausting to be that afraid and paranoid of everything in the world. Literally ****ing exhausting.  

So when MSN, yes MSN not Fox or any other horrible right-wing outlet but MSN, states AARON RODGERS TAKES SHOT AT CRITICS OF NATIONAL ANTHEM PROTESTS, what precisely did you interpret that to mean?

Surely, surely, you're not saying MSN is "fake news" are you?

Like nearly every media outlet they failed to discuss with Rodgers what he meant and instead went for the clickbait.

My interpretation is that Rodgers was highlighting the idiocy of the masses getting upset about the players, when themselves and nearly everyone else is ignorant to the cause behind this all. The object's (photographers with hats) were not the subject of his post. They were just a vehicle to make a point.

With a nice spicy mustard

Steven Seagal can’t decide who he’s angrier at - kneeling NFL players or the wizard who cursed him to gradually turn into an owl pic.twitter.com/NJTph28JOe

— Patrick Monahan (@pattymo) September 27, 2017

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— Super 70s Sports (@Super70sSports) November 6, 2016

Friggin Crabtree.....

Hungry5 posted:

Steven Seagal can’t decide who he’s angrier at - kneeling NFL players or the wizard who cursed him to gradually turn into an owl pic.twitter.com/NJTph28JOe

— Patrick Monahan (@pattymo) September 27, 2017

Patty Mo is the best follow on Twitter 

I have no fear of death. More important, I don't fear life.

Thats an actual Seagal quote. 

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Brainwashed Boris posted:

With a nice spicy mustard

Make it homemade, yellow and brown mustard seeds, malt vinegar and double bock beer.

Music City posted:

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Like I said... echo chamber. 

Since there's no racism in America anymore it shouldn't be that big of a deal.

Rodgers' ability to point out the irony in situations certainly makes one think, eh? I wonder how many people watching the NFL at home stand during the anthem? Violating the flag Standards of Respect took off when companies realized they could make a buck off it by plastering it on t-shirts, coffee mugs, beer cans, etc., and calling it "pride in America." It's also against flag etiquette to plaster it on athletic uniforms or use it in advertising. When compared to some of the things the flag is plastered on and how it's used on things like cheap souvenirs, kneeling seems pretty minor.

BartManDude posted:

Fandame posted:

The First Amendment is the cornerstone of our democracy and the envy of most people in the world. Trump is trying to shut down/limit the amendment through bullying tactics and tossing out words like "patriots" and SOBs so he can rally folks to his idea that free speech should have limits. .

Google, Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, those are the companies who have control over what can be said.  The first amendment doesn't apply to those platforms yet they've become the voice of our society.  They defend videos for Isis recruitment in the name of "free speech" but have shut down accounts for political views that they don't agree with.  All in the name of "hate speech".   

People attending rally's and protests are being physically threatened and forcibly silenced by groups of masked thugs trying to deny them their right to peacefully assemble.  Invited political speakers are being refused venues to speak at campuses across the country.  Groups of protestors (at fn Berkeley of all places) threatening violence to students who seek to listen to opinions that differ from their own.  All in the name of "hate speech".

Who will define "hate speech"?  That is the slippery slope that we should all be worried about.   

Divide And Conquer, a strategy older than the Bible.   Another famous quote "A house divided against itself cannot stand".  The left, the right, media, they seem hell bent on driving a wedge between us all and are doing a pretty damn good job of it.   Even on a forum about a professional game played by millionaires, we're divided.  One has to wonder if all of this is just a sign of the times or if a larger agenda is in play.

I just realized that I could write my opinions down all day long and I wouldn't even scratch the surface of explaining how I feel and where my beliefs lie but I can finish with this.

I applaud the Packers for putting out that statement.  Unity is the only thing that will save this country.  

And the only reason I give one f@ck about the piece of $hit NFL is because someone has to provide teams for my beloved Packers to play.  So I am hoping that the NFL makes it through this division and finds a way to keep politics out of it so we all have something to enjoy and cheer for on Sundays that can give us all a 3 hour break from the real world on Sunday's.

I frowned when I saw this thread title but after reading it I'm pleasantly surprised how it has mostly remained unemotional and productive with very little name calling or hatred.  Emotions unravel productive exchanges of ideas whether it's about politics or Dom's flavor of defense.

I ramble, I know   GO PACK GO!!!

Well done BartManDude

Hungry5 posted:

Steven Seagal can’t decide who he’s angrier at - kneeling NFL players or the wizard who cursed him to gradually turn into an owl pic.twitter.com/NJTph28JOe

— Patrick Monahan (@pattymo) September 27, 2017

Seeing as Steven Seagal is trending, now seems like a good time to drag this beauty back out. pic.twitter.com/4b19F9SVJb

— Bobby McGill (@eaglemcgill) September 27, 2017

Music City posted:

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If I had a nickel...

ChilliJon posted:

... particularly savage kind of flamethrowing. 

Gay napalm!

SteveLuke posted:

 

Tavis Smiley posted:

"This is not something that I am going to run by anybody," he said. "I am not looking for approval. I have to stand up for people that are oppressed. ... If they take football away, my endorsements from me, I know that I stood up for what is right."

 

 

Mighty selfless of old ARod to be so vocal.

How might he survive on the $50,000,000+ he's made if "they take football away" from him?

In any event, with this brave move in the face of so much oppression, not to mention that SI cover, he'll certainly be the King of the Ball when he returns home to his Hollywood/So.Cal. crowd for good.

Just want to be sure if I've got ARod's directive right, no hand over the heart during the anthem and must instead link arms to prove we're worthy of ARod's respect, is that right?

The only head scratcher for me is, why it took so long for ARod to go public in the face of all the oppression he has been witnessing from so many bad people in America for all these years?

And I'm just wondering why he isn't a loyal enough teammate to advocate the crowd embrace M. Bennett's black-power salute? Should we all wear our cops are pigs socks as well?

Internet Research Agency tactic, well played.

I better not see every  *************  in this thread in the game thread later today or I'll seriously question your dedication to your beliefs.  Or at least your commitment to reading Breitbart on a regular basis.

Wild Bill Proxmire wouldn't approve.

Music City posted:

That's changed. Because the truth is this- identity politics is the reason for the division, and that is what is dividing us. That Trump shoved it up their noses and generated this kind of furor proves it. And I don't want ANY of it- from him or the left. 

I just had to comment on this part    ************* .  So you think identity politics is just a left thing?  You're feeling good about that statement?  It's rhetorical.   

The most powerful person on the globe attacking citizens for practicing the very tenants of the greatest social experiment ever is laudable to your kind of filth.  And you talk about respect?  There isn't a ****ing single person who continues to support that **** that can say **** about respect or honor or truth and the list goes on.

You think NFL teams uniting like this has more to do with the initial protest rather than the disgusting attack itself?  NFL teams, who have a diversity of beliefs in the locker room which most assuredly has its Trumpkins, chose to show unity.  Unity and strong relationships in a locker room creates champions. 

The cancer element in the locker room isn't Kaepernick or anyone else, it's Trump and his disgusting abuse of position.  Cancer gets cut.  

BTW, all of you ****s PLEASE boycott the NFL. 

Lambeau Lobo posted:

One of the reasons that our country is so heavily divided today is that a large segment of the population on each side of an argument is so heavily entrenched, they absolutely refuse to listen to the other side, give their position any credence, and actually converse on the issues.  Rather, the exchange consists of a series of sarcastic remarks, personal attacks, and dismissive responses. 

Unfortunately, I see many examples of this on x4.    

We're better than that.

THIS!

It has to do with Trump-bashing being de rigueur.  I've been saying for years that we shouldn't even play the national anthem before sporting events, and people on every side excoriating me.  But the minute people use the national anthem to bash Trump, they're suddenly heroic and it's OK to bully and shout down anybody who disagrees with it.

It really is all about principals, not principles.

Henry posted:

Music City posted:

That's changed. Because the truth is this- identity politics is the reason for the division, and that is what is dividing us. That Trump shoved it up their noses and generated this kind of furor proves it. And I don't want ANY of it- from him or the left. 

I just had to comment on this part  ************* .  So you think identity politics is just a left thing?  You're feeling good about that statement?  It's rhetorical.   

 

No,  ************* - that's not what I'm saying. Trump has taken to identity politics and that's what he's jamming up your  *************  noses. You hate him because he's making you dance  ************* . I don't like any of it, but I'll admit he has y'all peeing down your legs whenever he snaps a finger, and that sh*t's funny to watch. 

You generalize, and you generalize, and you generalize. You're no warrior for rights. You're no hero for cause.  ************* . This whole thread you're swinging at everything that moves- as if a single word said here makes a difference in your supposed cause. 

I know your schtick well,  ************* . I'll watch or not watch an NFL game if I want to, and I don't give two sh*ts about your opinion about it. No one should. 

Henry posted:

I better not see every  *************  in this thread in the game thread later today or I'll seriously question your dedication to your beliefs.  Or at least your commitment to reading Breitbart on a regular basis.

Wild Bill Proxmire wouldn't approve.

Why? What the f are you going to do? Stop your  little threats,  ************* . No one should fuc*ing care about what you want to see. You're the Michael Rappaport of x4- you're big and loud and talk tough... but really you're a self absorbed  *************  with a superiority complex and no one should listen to you. 

Fedya posted:

It has to do with Trump-bashing being de rigueur.  I've been saying for years that we shouldn't even play the national anthem before sporting events, and people on every side excoriating me.  But the minute people use the national anthem to bash Trump, they're suddenly heroic and it's OK to bully and shout down anybody who disagrees with it.

It really is all about principals, not principles.

Are you ****ing delusional?  Did you sign on to Melania's anti-bullying campaign too?  Because that isn't the gold standard of irony at all.