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2 friggin' plays...

First, the BS call on the Matthews roughing. Absolutely horrible call. How was Matthews supposed to stop, plus those replays were slow motion!?!?!!  It looked like a horrible call in SLOW MOTION!

BUT the one that pisses me off the most no one talked about. The play in the end zone where Adams caught the ball but just barely couldn't hang on to it.  F'ing Harrison goes DIRECTLY for Adams head, knocks his helmet off, but no call for a hit to defenseless player. How many times has Adams been hit in head and had concussions???  Harrison doesn't go for a hit to the ball, or the back...no, right to Adams' head.   Watch the replay on that play.  This is a new point of emphasis this year and that was a classic example of a hit to the head of a defenseless player laying on the ground.  That one pissed me off.

Don't get me started on the BS holding call on Jimmy Graham's touchdown.....

Packers really should have had this one.  I don't like getting on the refs, but there were calls in this game that cost the Packers dearly.

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It’s become clear to me over the past few years the game has transcended the refs’ ability to tell what is actually happening in real time. They are just guessing based on what it β€œlooks like,” brief glimpses but they don’t actually know.  

So when Adams extended his arm behind him on his called-back TD, it looked like pushing off, even though it wasn’t.  Out comes a false flag.

And when Taylor’s guy falls down during a clean block to call back Graham’s TD, it looked like he must have been tackled. Out comes another bogus flag.

And on the coup de grace, the actual game-decider, the ref now says it looked from his angle like Matthews lifted Cousins up and drove him into the ground. If true, I would have no issue with a flag. I hate that crap. It ruined our season last year.

The problem is, that’s not what happened, and if the ref saw the replay from a better angle, he would have to agree. Problem is it’s too late for that. He already pulled the flag and literally and singlehandedly ruined the game. 

So what’s the solution? Ultimately it has to come from the league. Yes they are human, but the reffing crews need to be taught: If you’re not absolutely sure, don’t pull your flag. It might result in some missed penalties, but it’s way better than a false outcome.

I mean this was just one game ruined, but really, if it doesn’t stop, it’s going to be the entire sport.

I had to shake my head at the announcer yesterday he said something like "the refs have to work through things" no they need to make the correct calls.

I am not the biggest fan of instant replay but I do think we may be getting to the point where maybe it is a good idea to review penalties.  I know that idea has been brought up before but usually is shot down.

Take Clay's tackle and use it as a league-wide example of how you want to hit a QB or any other player for that matter. If I am MM, I am telling Clay that you want him to do the same thing every week. (But a hair earlier would be better. 

Pistol is right. Don't pull the laundry unless you are absolutely sure. I would add that if it's 50-50, let it go. I have no problem with a DB and a WR hand-fighting down the field, some contact without route "disturbance" and no flag being thrown. Let them play. It's easier for the players to know and understand, fewer flags for fans, and would let games get some flow. Maybe you even add an allowance for refs to use something like an iPad or heck, a phone, for quick reviews if need be. 

The game has become more about stripes and yellow flags than players and plays.

Hungry5 posted:

How significant to the outcome of the game was the roughing call on Matthews?





Nearly a 3rd!

Exactly.  Which is why it's pretty ****ing tiresome reading JSOline about how the defense failed.  Add in questionable offensive calls by Rodgers and McVince and it's even more bull**** to pin that on the defense.

Fandame posted:

Maybe you even add an allowance for refs to use something like an iPad or heck, a phone, for quick reviews if need be. 

Yep.  If you've got new questionable rules then give the refs some training wheels.  One season of instant replay, etc.  It would also be a hell of an incentive for the NFL to get their **** together since these rules essentially delay the game to confirm the ****ty call is correct.

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The Heckler posted:

I had to shake my head at the announcer yesterday he said something like "the refs have to work through things" no they need to make the correct calls.

I am not the biggest fan of instant replay but I do think we may be getting to the point where maybe it is a good idea to review penalties.  I know that idea has been brought up before but usually is shot down.

Yes.  You should get 3 reviews a game and anything is up for review.  They review targeting calls in college, we can’t do something like that for roughing the passer in the NFL?

Pistol GB posted:

It’s become clear to me over the past few years the game has transcended the refs’ ability to tell what is actually happening in real time. They are just guessing based on what it β€œlooks like,” brief glimpses but they don’t actually know.  

So when Adams extended his arm behind him on his called-back TD, it looked like pushing off, even though it wasn’t.  Out comes a false flag.

And when Taylor’s guy falls down during a clean block to call back Graham’s TD, it looked like he must have been tackled. Out comes another bogus flag.

And on the coup de grace, the actual game-decider, the ref now says it looked from his angle like Matthews lifted Cousins up and drove him into the ground. If true, I would have no issue with a flag. I hate that crap. It ruined our season last year.

The problem is, that’s not what happened, and if the ref saw the replay from a better angle, he would have to agree. Problem is it’s too late for that. He already pulled the flag and literally and singlehandedly ruined the game. 

So what’s the solution? Ultimately it has to come from the league. Yes they are human, but the reffing crews need to be taught: If you’re not absolutely sure, don’t pull your flag. It might result in some missed penalties, but it’s way better than a false outcome.

I mean this was just one game ruined, but really, if it doesn’t stop, it’s going to be the entire sport.

Except when those missed penalties go against us.

They ought to allow teams to challenge calls.  Why not?  We have all of this wonderful technology available and they leave it up to 60 year old guys that probably run 15 minute miles - and most likely have never actually played the game.  

It’s really ruining the game and I can’t tell you how many fans around us yesterday were saying the same thing.    All the penalties disrupt rhythm and flow and now you have guys like Matthews and Daniels unsure how to make football plays. 

 

The bigger issue is that at the end of the day, the NFL is selling entertainment. Many, many exciting plays and games have been ruined by bad calls, penalties etc. Every time the Packers have a big play, I'm looking for a flag, not enjoying the beauty of the game.

Would you want the usher flicking the lights on and off during a movie? Or running up and down the aisles yelling? It's the same thing when referees alter or take over a game. It destroys the product.

Tschmack posted:

They ought to allow teams to challenge calls.  Why not?

This is the only resolution for this. One can understand the need for protection and one can even understand that the officials have a tough job calling these in 'real time.'

Despite that fact that replays are annoying, they happen in all sports now and we deal with them. Games just cannot be decided on plays like this.

It’s no secret why people are moving more into that direction to watching college football (away from the pros).  The product on the field and marketing is very good. The Saturday night prime time games certainly rival any MNF game that’s for damn sure. 

Ultimately though it’s the rules that make the most sense.  What is a catch?  One foot inbounds.  Pass interference?  College  rules allow for some hand checking and I’m fine with that.  Targeting? I didn’t like it at first but I’ll tell you what it works pretty well.  Then there’s the overtime sudden death rule.  You get a winner.  Not the bullsht you saw yesterday.   

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Tschmack posted:

It’s no secret why people are moving more into that direction to watching college football (away from the pros).  The product on the field and marketing is very good. The Saturday night prime time games certainly rival any MNF game that’s for damn sure. 

Ultimately though it’s the rules that make the most sense.  What is a catch?  One foot inbounds.  Pass interference?  College  rules allow for some hand checking and I’m fine with that.  Targeting? I didn’t like it at first but I’ll tell you what it works pretty well.  Then there’s the overtime sudden death rule.  You get a winner.  Not the bullsht you saw yesterday.   

I never thought I would see the day for me when I am starting to like CFB so much better.  Even when the Badgers stink it up but I don't want to talk about that right now.  

It just seems like the college game is so much better officiated and ran than the NFL right now.   I also hated the targeting rule at first but the college officiating and reviewing has really come a long way to get that call right.  I also think that if college football went to an 8 team playoff they might really cause issues for NFL populariity.  

Outside of the Packers the NFL to me right now is kind of bland and doesn't get me too excited.  I think it is over officiated, you dont know what a catch is anymore, and I think we are seeing a change of the top teams that is making it kind of blah right now.

mrtundra posted:

I saw the helmet to helmet hit on Davante, with no flag, too! If anything we should have had the ball, 1st and Goal on the 1 yard line. A relatively easy run for Williams or Montgomery.

Yes, and Davante is laying on the ground defenseless no less.

Reffing is really hard, I've reffed before, and it's tough.  But those two calls made a HUGE difference in the outcome of yesterday's game.

NedFlanders posted:

The bigger issue is that at the end of the day, the NFL is selling entertainment. Many, many exciting plays and games have been ruined by bad calls, penalties etc. Every time the Packers have a big play, I'm looking for a flag, not enjoying the beauty of the game.

Would you want the usher flicking the lights on and off during a movie? Or running up and down the aisles yelling? It's the same thing when referees alter or take over a game. It destroys the product.

Spot on post.

I’m on board with more reviews and everything reviewable. Anything but the complete bull**** which was yesterday’s game.

Agreed.   MN got screwed on that one; however, unlike the non PI call, the phantom hold call, and the Roughing call they had an opp to challenge it and did not.  

The other call that didn't go MN's way was the roughing on Rodgers.  On that one, IMO, the defender did lift the QB and burp him.    I don't like the rule, but understand why it was flagged.   Against Cousins, Clay fell off to the side, unlike the Viking who was so determined to drive Rodgers into the dirt that he actually landed with the crown of his helmet straight into the field. 

Honestly, if that Matthews play really is in the rules, you can't tackle a QB anymore. 

Really the only things you can do is try to swat the ball out while it's in the QBs hands... but God forbid you miss the ball and accidently graze the QBs helmet.

Good luck trying to "push" down a guy like Cam Newton if you're not allowed to actually wrap him up and take him down.

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