PackerPatrick posted:I am pulling for Atlanta in SB. I hate the other teams more.
No way I can pull for Atlanta after so many classless moves today.....questionable late hits on Rodgers, challenging late spot near the goal line when they were up by about 30, shot to the head of Montgomery. F- them!
I think it's pretty safe to assume Dom has coached his final game in GB. It's time for the D to go in a new direction. No emotion to this. Nothing knee jerk. It's been long enough with the same result.
Dom Capers units continually and repeatedly falter in the playoffs. Whether its 2009, or 2014, or 2017.
Add in 2012, the year he made Colin Kaepernick an eight-figure sum of money. Every DC but Capers had Kaepernick figured out.
ChilliJon posted:I think it's pretty safe to assume Dom has coached his final game in GB. It's time for the D to go in a new direction. No emotion to this. Nothing knee jerk. It's been long enough with the same result.
I am finally sold on getting rid of Capers. Maybe a 4-3 defense playing Tampa two with Matthews as our ILB. We were short handed this year for sure and the injuries definitely hurt us but damn, so many wide open receivers in so many games. We don't surprise any teams, they've got Doms D figured out. Relying on turnovers and exotic blitzes to stop teams is not getting it done and it is sickening to spend every off season debating whether it's the players or the scheme.
But WTF do I know? Maybe it is the players LOL I'm counting on MM and TT to know what the problem is.
RochNyFan posted:PackerPatrick posted:I am pulling for Atlanta in SB. I hate the other teams more.
No way I can pull for Atlanta after so many classless moves today.....questionable late hits on Rodgers, challenging late spot near the goal line when they were up by about 30, shot to the head of Montgomery. F- them!
And not only that but when they picked up the flag when Aaron didn't slide feet 1st but the tackler led with his helmet. Why no flag for that? And when Aaron got the 15 yarder for facemask I thought Aaron was also facemasked so they should have offset. You could see the movement of Aarons helmet before he stiff armed the guy.
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Disappointing loss, but this team showed it's character after a 4-6 start and made a strong run. I'm proud of them.
MM....Everybody (including myself) thought he'd lost this team. We were wrong. Second best coach in the league....and the best coach cheats.
Jordy....I don't know wtf kind of pregame meds these guys have access to, but to play two weeks after breaking your ribs, and play well.....it's just crazy!
Listening to my Cowboys fans beotch about how they would have won the SB had they had the opportunity to play Atlanta at home today.....an opportunity they lost out on due to the spanking Arod gave them last weekend. Idiots!
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The whole team was off today.
ByeByeDom. This defense has been a disappointment since 2010. I get that the Packers D was too slow to keep up with Atlanta WRs today, and that's on TT, but it seems like game after game the secondary looks completely lost. Guys are wide open. Maybe, just maybe it's the scheme....the scheme that seems to fail in every big game every year. I'm an idiot, and yet last week after the Packers went up 21-3 against Dallas I told my imaginary friend that Dom will go soft now and it'll take less than a minute for Dallas to score. If I can see it coming, that's a problem. Arod would have at least one more ring by now if the Packers could field at least a mediocre defense. ByeByeDom.
The refs were awful today. The game was a blowout so the refs didn't have the chance to determine the outcome, but they still sucked. How do you pick up the personal foul flag on Arod? It was still a helmet-to-helmet hit.
Pos
+ We made it to the NFCC game
+ we were able to stop the run ok
+ my Sundays are free again for the next 8 months
+ we didn't get completely skunked
+ Jordy played great considering his injury
+ receiver injuries were overcome with good depth this year
Negs
- Out of gas
- TJ lang injury - big bummer for him
- Rip fumble
- Jake Ryan missing a big turnover
- no answer on defense which felt like it started last week in the 2nd half
- I'll miss this 2016 team
Fedya posted:Dom Capers units continually and repeatedly falter in the playoffs. Whether its 2009, or 2014, or 2017.
Add in 2012, the year he made Colin Kaepernick an eight-figure sum of money. Every DC but Capers had Kaepernick figured out.
His units have failed every year but 10. Was simply saying "no matter the year" for the most part.
It's players, not schemes.
The past five years of drafts on defense:
1st Round--Perry, Jones, Dix, Randall, Clark: Dix is the only player that is impactful
2nd round: Rollins, Worthy, Heyward---Heyward is the only one of starting caliber, and he's gone
3rd: Thorton, Fackrell--no impact
4th: Daniels, McMillian, Bradford, Ryan, Martinez, Lowry House---Daniels the only impact player, House was only a backup while here
5th: Manning, Hyde, Boyd.
Everything after the sixth round is just a gamble. The fact is that in five years, TT has drafted two impact players in Dix and Daniels, a guy who had a few good games in Perry, and the rest have contributed nothing that matters. You can't win without talent.
FWIW, Rip was on a local program here in Wisconsin and he was asked if he'd rather hit opposing players or carry the ball. He said that he'd rather hit the opposing players. (BTW camera guy, could we have seen him just a few more times to make sure he was still feeling badly??)
Lotta people would like to see Dom gone but no mention of who they would replace him with..
ammo posted:RochNyFan posted:PackerPatrick posted:I am pulling for Atlanta in SB. I hate the other teams more.
No way I can pull for Atlanta after so many classless moves today.....questionable late hits on Rodgers, challenging late spot near the goal line when they were up by about 30, shot to the head of Montgomery. F- them!
And not only that but when they picked up the flag when Aaron didn't slide feet 1st but the tackler led with his helmet. Why no flag for that? And when Aaron got the 15 yarder for facemask I thought Aaron was also facemasked so they should have offset. You could see the movement of Aarons helmet before he stiff armed the guy.
I totally agree Ammo
Goldie posted:Did anyone see my boyfriend's post game interview?? I swear he almost lost it talking about how proud of Jordy he was.....did anyone one else see it.
Don't see that very often.
"Yes! Say it! Say it! He vas my boyfriend!"
slowmo posted:It's players, not schemes.
The past five years of drafts on defense:
1st Round--Clark:
3rd: Fackrell--no impact
4th: Martinez,
5.
Everything after the sixth round is just a gamble. The fact is that in five years, TT has drafted two impact players in Dix and Daniels, a guy who had a few good games in Perry, and the rest have contributed nothing that matters. You can't win without talent.
You can't count last years draft picks they need at least 1 year to develop.
Jelly posted:Lotta people would like to see Dom gone but no mention of who they would replace him with..
Make a run at Aranda.
Adam Zimmer, Mike's son, has put together a decent resume.
Promote Whitt.
Hire Greene, he wants back in coaching.
slowmo posted:It's players, not schemes.
The past five years of drafts on defense:
1st Round--Perry, Jones, Dix, Randall, Clark: Dix is the only player that is impactful
2nd round: Rollins, Worthy, Heyward---Heyward is the only one of starting caliber, and he's gone
3rd: Thorton, Fackrell--no impact
4th: Daniels, McMillian, Bradford, Ryan, Martinez, Lowry House---Daniels the only impact player, House was only a backup while here
5th: Manning, Hyde, Boyd.
Everything after the sixth round is just a gamble. The fact is that in five years, TT has drafted two impact players in Dix and Daniels, a guy who had a few good games in Perry, and the rest have contributed nothing that matters. You can't win without talent.
Perhaps a better defensive staff could get more out of all of these draft picks.
Would Arod be the best QB in the league had he been drafted by Cleveland? Probably not because the Browns have had sh!tty coaching for years.
Exactly.....A new scheme would have the players interested & paying attention. It would also make the rest of the league get a new tape on Green Bays defense.
#Domfense has been blueprinted for the last 4-5 years by all 31 teams.
It's a friggin joke. I'm sick of our offense constantly having to carry the day. The defense needs to hold up their end of the bargain too. Rarely have they done that in the last 5 years.
When we score 31 points or more, we need to win. 100% of the time. Not 50% or even 75%....ONE HUNDRED PERCENT.
What would've happened if we had the Texans defense, even WITHOUT JJ Watt?
Gimme a break with #Domfense. Time to move forward.
I dunno, I think this day and age in the NFL, you can't have it both ways. One of the two (or 3 if you throw in Special Teams) is going to be the weak sister. Look at MN last year. Texans D this year, but then you have the Texans O to counter balance it.
I don't think you are going to see a #1 on both sides of the ball anymore, just one that's good enough to carry the other.
Unfortunately, the last year's in GB, one hasn't been able to cover the other.
All we need from our defense is mediocrity.
This historically bad defense we roll out year after year has to stop when we have a QB like Rodgers.
It's disheartening.
Ultimate team sport. We need to get to mediocre with our defense.
Agreed.
ammo posted:slowmo posted:It's players, not schemes.
The past five years of drafts on defense:
1st Round--Clark:
3rd: Fackrell--no impact
4th: Martinez,
5.
Everything after the sixth round is just a gamble. The fact is that in five years, TT has drafted two impact players in Dix and Daniels, a guy who had a few good games in Perry, and the rest have contributed nothing that matters. You can't win without talent.
You can't count last years draft picks they need at least 1 year to develop.
It's too much to expect a 1st round draft pick(Clark) to have an impact? Ok, take away the four players in the first five rounds last year and its 2 out of 16 instead of 2 out of 20.
Or go back the year before that (2010), add Neal and Burnett to the equation, and you are once again at a whopping 3 out of 18 players drafted on defense since 2010 making an impact. Still a failure.
bdplant posted:slowmo posted:It's players, not schemes.
The past five years of drafts on defense:
1st Round--Perry, Jones, Dix, Randall, Clark: Dix is the only player that is impactful
2nd round: Rollins, Worthy, Heyward---Heyward is the only one of starting caliber, and he's gone
3rd: Thorton, Fackrell--no impact
4th: Daniels, McMillian, Bradford, Ryan, Martinez, Lowry House---Daniels the only impact player, House was only a backup while here
5th: Manning, Hyde, Boyd.
Everything after the sixth round is just a gamble. The fact is that in five years, TT has drafted two impact players in Dix and Daniels, a guy who had a few good games in Perry, and the rest have contributed nothing that matters. You can't win without talent.
Perhaps a better defensive staff could get more out of all of these draft picks.
Would Arod be the best QB in the league had he been drafted by Cleveland? Probably not because the Browns have had sh!tty coaching for years.
Which player(s) in particular would be, or would have been, better? I won't use last year's draft, just focus on 2010-2015. Terrell Manning, Carl Bradford, Josh Boyd, Jerrel Worthy, Jerome McMillan, Kyri Thorton??? All cut--about 30% of TT's defensive draft picks from 2010-2015.
Jelly posted:Lotta people would like to see Dom gone but no mention of who they would replace him with..
Is that a requirement?
slowmo posted:bdplant posted:slowmo posted:It's players, not schemes.
The past five years of drafts on defense:
1st Round--Perry, Jones, Dix, Randall, Clark: Dix is the only player that is impactful
2nd round: Rollins, Worthy, Heyward---Heyward is the only one of starting caliber, and he's gone
3rd: Thorton, Fackrell--no impact
4th: Daniels, McMillian, Bradford, Ryan, Martinez, Lowry House---Daniels the only impact player, House was only a backup while here
5th: Manning, Hyde, Boyd.
Everything after the sixth round is just a gamble. The fact is that in five years, TT has drafted two impact players in Dix and Daniels, a guy who had a few good games in Perry, and the rest have contributed nothing that matters. You can't win without talent.
Perhaps a better defensive staff could get more out of all of these draft picks.
Would Arod be the best QB in the league had he been drafted by Cleveland? Probably not because the Browns have had sh!tty coaching for years.
Which player(s) in particular would be, or would have been, better? I won't use last year's draft, just focus on 2010-2015. Terrell Manning, Carl Bradford, Josh Boyd, Jerrel Worthy, Jerome McMillan, Kyri Thorton??? All cut--about 30% of TT's defensive draft picks from 2010-2015.
Dad must be proud of you white knighting for him like this.
CAPackFan95 posted:slowWhich player(s) in particular would be, or would have been, better? I won't use last year's draft, just focus on 2010-2015. Terrell Manning, Carl Bradford, Josh Boyd, Jerrel Worthy, Jerome McMillan, Kyri Thorton??? All cut--about 30% of TT's defensive draft picks from 2010-2015.
Dad must be proud of you white knighting for him like this.
Whatever the hell that means, sweetie
slowmo posted:CAPackFan95 posted:slowWhich player(s) in particular would be, or would have been, better? I won't use last year's draft, just focus on 2010-2015. Terrell Manning, Carl Bradford, Josh Boyd, Jerrel Worthy, Jerome McMillan, Kyri Thorton??? All cut--about 30% of TT's defensive draft picks from 2010-2015.
Dad must be proud of you white knighting for him like this.
Whatever the hell that means, sweetie
What were your excuses when Dom's unit gave up 530 yards and 51 points to AZ in 2009?
CAPackFan95 posted:slowmo posted:CAPackFan95 posted:slowWhich player(s) in particular would be, or would have been, better? I won't use last year's draft, just focus on 2010-2015. Terrell Manning, Carl Bradford, Josh Boyd, Jerrel Worthy, Jerome McMillan, Kyri Thorton??? All cut--about 30% of TT's defensive draft picks from 2010-2015.
Dad must be proud of you white knighting for him like this.
Whatever the hell that means, sweetie
What were your excuses when Dom's unit gave up 530 yards and 51 points to AZ in 2009?
Dang, I was looking forward to you posting your list of defensive meltdowns the past few years like you did in the game thread. Followed by your musings on onside kicks
Jelly posted:Lotta people would like to see Dom gone but no mention of who they would replace him with..
When Todd Bowles gets sh*t-canned (expected), McCarthy needs to be on the phone immediately.
slowmo posted:CAPackFan95 posted:slowmo posted:CAPackFan95 posted:slowWhich player(s) in particular would be, or would have been, better? I won't use last year's draft, just focus on 2010-2015. Terrell Manning, Carl Bradford, Josh Boyd, Jerrel Worthy, Jerome McMillan, Kyri Thorton??? All cut--about 30% of TT's defensive draft picks from 2010-2015.
Dad must be proud of you white knighting for him like this.
Whatever the hell that means, sweetie
What were your excuses when Dom's unit gave up 530 yards and 51 points to AZ in 2009?
Dang, I was looking forward to you posting your list of defensive meltdowns the past few years like you did in the game thread. Followed by your musings on onside kicks
Good response. Full of solid football knowledge. Just like Dom
8 days ago Justin Wilcox became the HC of UC Berkeley.
I thought he would be an interesting hire for DC. Probably not possible now but a young up & coming DC that can add some new ideas & fresh perspective to our defense would be a welcomed change.
I believe we have pretty good players on D. Now we just need a new DC & some changes on the defensive staff to put it all together.
Is it too much to ask to have an average defense & hold teams to an average of 20 points per game?? I believe some new blood can accomplish that.
Disturbing to think of all of the attention paid to the defense in the draft over the years. You see very few impact players. Is the coaching fully to blame ?
Most suspected the defense would be boat raced by the leagues best offense today. Still surprised that the Atlanta defense made our offense look so bad at times. No score until middle of the 3rd quarter ?? !! That put incredible pressure on the already undermanned and stressed domfence. Ugh
Boris posted:Is it too much to ask to have an average defense & hold teams to an average of 20 points per game?? I believe some new blood can accomplish that.
You will get Dom Capers and you will like it.
CAPackFan95 posted:slowmo posted:CAPackFan95 posted:slowmo posted:CAPackFan95 posted:slowWhich player(s) in particular would be, or would have been, better? I won't use last year's draft, just focus on 2010-2015. Terrell Manning, Carl Bradford, Josh Boyd, Jerrel Worthy, Jerome McMillan, Kyri Thorton??? All cut--about 30% of TT's defensive draft picks from 2010-2015.
Dad must be proud of you white knighting for him like this.
Whatever the hell that means, sweetie
What were your excuses when Dom's unit gave up 530 yards and 51 points to AZ in 2009?
Dang, I was looking forward to you posting your list of defensive meltdowns the past few years like you did in the game thread. Followed by your musings on onside kicks
Good response. Full of solid football knowledge. Just like Dom
Would that be the same Dom who had the #2 rated defense in 2010, the year after the meltdown in Arizona?
Atlanta did not make this offense look bad - we should have posted 10 points on the first two drives. We had open receivers dropping passes as well. The offense was fine until the team was overcome with the realization their season was ending in miserable fashion. That realization came in the 2nd quarter. It must be deflating to be on such a high and then crash down so hard. Can't really fault the players.
On offense - MM needs to be more creative. The 3rd and 4 play call on the 1st drive from the falcons 24 really irked me. Not outlet for a 5 yard gain is something MM has done repeatedly.
On Defense - I can't add to what has already been written
slowmo posted:Would that be the same Dom who had the #2 rated defense in 2010, the year after the meltdown in Arizona?
Well gee. 7 years ago! Never mind. LIFETIME CONTRACT FOR YOUR DAD!
CAPackFan95 posted:slowmo posted:Would that be the same Dom who had the #2 rated defense in 2010, the year after the meltdown in Arizona?
Well gee. 7 years ago! Never mind. LIFETIME CONTRACT FOR YOUR DAD!
Yep, it's too bad that in the seven years since the quality of defensive players on that side of the ball has steadily deteriorated, as my post which apparently lit your fuse demonstrated.
Music City posted:Jelly posted:Lotta people would like to see Dom gone but no mention of who they would replace him with..
When Todd Bowles gets sh*t-canned (expected), McCarthy needs to be on the phone immediately.
Unfortunately Todd Bowles will have at least one more year at HC
slowmo posted:CAPackFan95 posted:slowmo posted:Would that be the same Dom who had the #2 rated defense in 2010, the year after the meltdown in Arizona?
Well gee. 7 years ago! Never mind. LIFETIME CONTRACT FOR YOUR DAD!
Yep, it's too bad that in the seven years since the quality of defensive players on that side of the ball has steadily deteriorated, as my post which apparently lit your fuse demonstrated.
Glad to see you don't think Capers should be held accountable for his groups performance. You must be a joy to work for!
CAPackFan95 posted:slowmo posted:CAPackFan95 posted:slowmo posted:Would that be the same Dom who had the #2 rated defense in 2010, the year after the meltdown in Arizona?
Well gee. 7 years ago! Never mind. LIFETIME CONTRACT FOR YOUR DAD!
Yep, it's too bad that in the seven years since the quality of defensive players on that side of the ball has steadily deteriorated, as my post which apparently lit your fuse demonstrated.
Glad to see you don't think Capers should be held accountable for his groups performance. You must be a joy to work for!
Never said that, nice projection. I merely pointed out the lack of talent on defense. But, hey, I am probably not as much a joy as you are to watch a game with, always pissing and moaning as you do in game threads.
slowmo posted:Never said that, nice projection. I merely pointed out the lack of talent on defense. But, hey, I am probably not as much a joy as you are to watch a game with, always pissing and moaning as you do in game threads.
Oh I'm sorry. Pointing to factual data about your messiah makes you mad, and you need your safe space in game threads.
I'll be sure to note that next year when Dom's defense is getting torched by someone for the 8th consecutive year.
*slowmo doesn't like facts about Dom Capers.
Got it. No one will ever make you feel uncomfortable again.
BTW - Holy crap man. Do NOT look at the "how do we fix the defense" thread.
