Jelly posted:Lotta people would like to see Dom gone but no mention of who they would replace him with..
Not flaming you, Jelly, because a lot of people like to whip that out in these type of discussions.
My answer? (FWIW)
It's not my job to say. We have people getting paid lots more money than I'll ever see to do that. Likely much better than I ever could!
Great season but gotta stop the slow starts. We have not had home field advantage in the big-games for about 6 years.
Defense needs work but tough to say how much due to all the injuries.
For all you Stat's lovers when you add in this years numbers we will boot the Bears from a couple of their spots.
http://www.profootballhof.com/...me-win-loss-records/
Timmy! posted:Grave Digger posted:General query: what DC can make a defense work with Gunter, Randall, and Rollins?... ...Nobody is wrong in saying the D needs to be better, but to think a DC change make all the difference is really really myopic.
Some guy named Richard Smith. DC for the Falcons. Saw it yesterday with my own eyes!
Let's see, he had Beasley and.... and......I'm being facetious, GD, but seriously....which team had the real talent on defense? Am I supposed to believe they have D-Linemen better than Guion and Daniels? Their LBs are better than Matthews, Peppers, and Perry? Their Ss are better than HHCD and Burnett?
I ain't buying that for one second.
It's possible they had more CB talent on the field, but ARod showed it wasn't by much.
Yet they stoned one of the most prolific, hottest offenses. With ease.I'm not going to say it's not fair to mention injuries, who we actually had available to play, or enduring our schedule over the last 2 months. All fair and valid points.
But, in the end, the other team did much more with much less.
And while I agree that replacing a DC may not be the "fix" we need, I will say it's insanity to think anything is going to change under Capers. And whoever replaces him sure as hell can do no worse.
So, yeah, a change is needed. It's several years overdue. JMHO.
Packers blew opportunities on O more than the Falcons shut them down. Rodgers moved up and down the field, but they had drops, poor passes, turnovers, etc. I wouldn't say Atlanta did more with less, I think GB did less with more. The game should have be a shootout, GB just blew wide open opportunities. Ryan should have thrown at least 3 INTs, all of which led to TDs...GB was in position to get a fumble in Atlanta territory, they blew it. Had those things gone right for GB the. We're probably looking at another 33-32 game one way or another.
Missed FG and fumble. Things went all down hill from there. On the fumble, the defense just made a good play. Rip wasn't able to protect the ball because someone had his arm. The season was a great run but fell short.
Yepper, and if bullfrogs had wings, they wouldn't bump their asses when they jump. 
And again, GD, not flaming you, but they way I see it, we could dream about what coulda been, or we can look at what actually happened. No matter what argument anybody can make, they held us to 21 points.
Aaron Rodgers, Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Davate Adams, Jared Cook, and an OL pass protecting beyond belief....21 points. That's the bottom line.
I know what you mean, I'm not playing the would, coulda, shoulda game, I'm just pointing out that Atlanta's D wasn't as impressive as the score would indicate. We shouldn't look at Atlanta and be envious that their HC or DC did more with less, GB shot themselves in the foot more than Atlanta won the battle.
That sounds a little like "they were the better team...today". Even had the game stayed tight we would have been in the 4th quarter without Adams, Jordy, Monty, Lang, Bulaga, Hyde, etc. AR has done amazing things with backups it isn't realistic to expect to pull out a win with those subtractions.
I think Rodgers was right in his earlier assessment: this team had a difficult time overcoming adversity. They held their breath after Mason's miss and still had some confidence (look how their next drive on O), but fell apart after Rip's fumble. He holds onto that, GB scores, and we are back in it with a little mo. But they were too fragile to overcome two mistakes. And the Falcons had a lot to do with that.
Grave Digger posted:General query: what DC can make a defense work with Gunter, Randall, and Rollins?
Or Clinton Dix, Matthews, Peppers, Shields, Williams, Heyward, Daniels, Walden, Woodson, Raji, Burnett, Bishop, or Pickett as well.
Can't gloss over 09. Collins, Jolly, Barnett.
CAPackFan95 posted:Grave Digger posted:General query: what DC can make a defense work with Gunter, Randall, and Rollins?
Or Clinton Dix, Matthews, Peppers, Shields, Williams, Heyward, Daniels, Walden, Woodson, Raji, Burnett, Bishop, or Pickett as well.
Not all at the same time though.
2011 starters (19th in scoring): Burnett (16), Raji (16), Matthews (15), Walden (15), Tramon (15), Woodson (15), Hawk (14), Peprah (14), Pickett (14), Bishop (13), Shields (7), H. Green (5), Wynn (4), DJ Smith (3), J. Bush (2), Nick Collins (2), R. Francois (2), CJ Wilson (2), Brad Jones (1), Frank Zombo (1)
2012 starters (11th in scoring): Burnett (16), Hawk (16), Pickett (16), Tramon (16), Raji (14), Matthews (12), MD Jennings (10), B. Jones (10), Walden (9), Shields (8), C. Hayward (7), CJ Wilson (7), Woodson (7), Dez Moses (6), DJ Smith (6), D. House (5), N. Perry (5), J. Worthy (5), J. Bush (1), M. Neal (1).
2013 starters (24th in scoring): Hawk (16), MD Jennings (16), Pickett (16), Raji (16), Tramon (16), Shields (14), Burnett (13), B. Jones (12), Matthews (11), M. Neal (10), Jolly (8), N. Perry (6), D. House (5), J. Lattimore (4), Hyde (3), Mulumba (3), Jerron McMillan (2), Nate Palmer (2), Bajo (1), Hayward (1), Daniels (1),
2014 starters (13th in scoring): Daniels (16), Guion (16), Matthews (16), Peppers (16), Tramon (16), Burnett (15), Shields (14), Hawk (13), Hyde (12), HaHa (10), Barrington (7), Lattimore (5), J. Boyd (4), D. House (4), N. Perry (4), Datone (3), M. Neal (3), Hayward (1), B. Jones (1)
2015 starters (12th in scoring): HaHa (16), Daniels (16), Matthews (16), Peppers (16), M. Neal (15), Raji (15), Shields (12), Burnett (11), Hayward (11), N. Palmer (10), D. Randall (9), Hyde (7), Pennel (5), J. Ryan (5), Guion (4), Rollins (4), Banjo (1), Barrington (1), Perry (1), S. Richardson (1)
2016 starters (21st in scoring): HaHa (16), Daniels (16), Burnett (15), Guion (15), Gunter (15), Perry (12), Hyde (11), Peppers (11), Rollins (10), J. Ryan (10), B. Martinez (9), Matthews (9), Randall (9), J. Thomas (7), Datone (4), Goodson (3), K. Clark (2), Brice (1), Shields (1)
Players filling in for a game is tolerable, injuries happen and sometimes you can get by with Brad Jones in there or Josh Boyd. But to have so many BAD players start MULTIPLE games over the last 6 years tells me there's a roster issue. Not discounting that there is a coordinator issue, but look at some of those names who STARTED for this D. That's a sh*t show of talent. When your starting D has Woodson, Tramon, and Shields at CB, Nick Collins at FS, Bishop at ILB, Matthews and Walden outside, with Pickett and Raji inside you can get away with OK player like Charlie Peprah or a mediocre player like Hawk. When you're starting MD Jennings, Brad Jones, Dez Moses, CJ Wilson, AND Jerel Worthy all at the same time then you're fukked. That's a major league roster issue. It's unlucky because it means you're down starters, but it's also an issue when you stand pat with that kind of depth. A DC does not solve THAT issue, it solves some issues, but that has to be something Ted solves.
Fandame posted:I think Rodgers was right in his earlier assessment: this team had a difficult time overcoming adversity. They held their breath after Mason's miss and still had some confidence (look how their next drive on O), but fell apart after Rip's fumble. He holds onto that, GB scores, and we are back in it with a little mo. But they were too fragile to overcome two mistakes. And the Falcons had a lot to do with that.
I call BS on that theory. They overcame more adversity than a missed FG and a fumble just to get to the NFCCG in the first place. At least until it was 31-0 (at which point who wouldn't lose confidence?) they didn't lack confidence. They were simply too beat up and exhausted after 16 straight weeks of football and 9 weeks of win-or-stay-home type games. It makes their triumph in DAL that much more impressive.
So instead of firing Capers the Packers need to replace Thompson and/or a third of the defensive players?
Doesn't GB churn about 1/3 of the roster every year?
Is that why they are among the youngest teams every year.....their 2nd and 3rd year players do not improve enough to keep or are just not good enough period and need to be replaced by what? Younger guys. Rinse, repeat.
Hungry5 posted:So instead of firing Capers the Packers need to replace Thompson and/or a third of the defensive players?
Doesn't GB churn about 1/3 of the roster every year?
Didn't say that at all. Gunter, Randall, and Rollins are probably good depth, but what scheme works when your best CB is Ladarius Gunter and has to match up 1 on 1 with Julio Jones, Dez Bryant, and OBJ in consecutive weeks. My opinion? Thompson should have brought in Joe Haden during Cleveland's annual fire sale. I don't disagree the coordinator should change, but there's a deeper problem with how the defense is built and has been built.
I saw a much higher ceiling with Gunter, Randall and Rollins than I saw materialize this year.
Blitz packages sucked balls 2.
Going 3 and out to start the 2nd Half was a killer. It didn't help with 2 dropped passes either.
Game was over at 24-0 to end the half. That TD at the end of the half was the dagger.
Everybody but Dom saw that TD coming.
DH13 posted:Considering how the majority of the game unfolded, I don't think the missed FG and fumble would have made that much of a difference. AR still would have been pressured and hit, his rhythm thrown off. The guys who got injured still would have got injured. We would still have been without Lang, Hyde, Monty, Jordy and Adams in the 4th quarter. Had it been a tight game those absences would have spelled doom. We still wouldn't have gotten to Ryan, still wouldn't have covered their receivers, etc.
Like others have said I think they just ran out of gas after an early season bye, season ending injuries, win-or-go-home football for 9 straight weeks, the nailbiter AT DAL last week, injuries and flu this week, plane delays, hang nails and untied shoe strings. All that vs a well rested and almost injury free and peaking ATL team. All that said, I'm still kind of shocked they won last weekend.
I would have liked to see Ryan feel a little pressure at 14-10 rather than 14-0
DH13 posted:Fandame posted:I think Rodgers was right in his earlier assessment: this team had a difficult time overcoming adversity. They held their breath after Mason's miss and still had some confidence (look how their next drive on O), but fell apart after Rip's fumble. He holds onto that, GB scores, and we are back in it with a little mo. But they were too fragile to overcome two mistakes. And the Falcons had a lot to do with that.
I call BS on that theory. They overcame more adversity than a missed FG and a fumble just to get to the NFCCG in the first place. At least until it was 31-0 (at which point who wouldn't lose confidence?) they didn't lack confidence. They were simply too beat up and exhausted after 16 straight weeks of football and 9 weeks of win-or-stay-home type games. It makes their triumph in DAL that much more impressive.
I think the adversity they faced was the guys on the other side of the line of scrimmage ran them right off the field.
Missed field goal and offensive fumbles have nothing to do with the Falcons going TD, FG, TD, punt, TD, TD, TD, TD on their first 8 drives. Can't even say the Ripkowski fumble gave the Falcons field position and an easy score because the Falcons had to go 80 yards to get the TD on that drive.
Pikes Peak posted:Is that why they are among the youngest teams every year.....their 2nd and 3rd year players do not improve enough to keep or are just not good enough period and need to be replaced by what? Younger guys. Rinse, repeat.
^^This^^
PackerJoe posted:I think the adversity they faced was the guys on the other side of the line of scrimmage ran them right off the field.
Sure. Much easier to do with a fully healthy team missing 2 starters and having had a late season bye and a first round playoff bye. We were running on fumes yesterday and playing a team with as much speed as ATL happened at the worst possible time.
Don't lose to lesser teams early in the year and you may play at home with a bye. RUn the table starts at Labor Day.
