I hear Nagy's available.
Chatter on PA this morning is Kark said he's willing to move money to stay next year... so there's still hope.
They have a $45mm cap hit if he stays or is cut before June 1, but only a $10mm cap hit if they trade him.
Given the state of QB play in the league a guy like Kark would be an upgrade in places like Carolina and Pittsburgh and Denver and maybe even Miami. The fact the team could save 35MM in cap space bt dealing him obviously opens the door for it to happen.
Brings up the age old question…who are you going to get who is better?
As Detroit, Cleveland and Chicago know, it ain’t easy.
@Pikes Peak posted:Brings up the age old question…who are you going to get who is better?
As Detroit, Cleveland and Chicago know, it ain’t easy.
Cousins isn't terrible. He just isn't good enough to use 35 million of your cap on and win.
The Bears are the best shape of those 3. At least in Chicago, Fields is on a rookie contact for another 3 years. If you think he is good enough to win with, that's the best QB option of those 3. Mayfield and Goff are already making bigger money.
Mike Zimmer and Rick Spielman were fired, but Kirk Cousins is the Vikings' real problem
The Vikings have invested $150 million in fully guaranteed money in Cousins, the quarterback who was supposed to lead them to the promised land. For that cash, the franchise got one playoff win and these back-to-back losing seasons.
But, but, but the fans will demand a trade for Cousins where they get high draft picks for him! BWAHAHA!
Excerpt from an article posted above:
The 2009 NFC title game loss, and the fallout from a disastrous 2010 season, led the Wilfs to abandon the "triangle of authority" power structure that gave Spielman, the head coach and vice president of football operations Rob Brzezinski equal say over the roster. Ownership made Spielman the GM in 2012; he promised to build a contending roster with homegrown players instead of free agents, and made a habit of trading back into the first round, selecting seven players on the first night of the draft from 2012-14. Six of those players — Matt Kalil, Harrison Smith, Xavier Rhodes, Cordarrelle Patterson, Anthony Barr and Teddy Bridgewater — reached Pro Bowls in Minnesota.
But Spielman's inability to solve the Vikings' longstanding need at the quarterback position might have affected his tenure more than anything else.
He selected Christian Ponder 12th overall in 2011; Spielman boasted about how Ponder's early statistics compared favorably to passers like Eli Manning and Drew Brees, and passed on Russell Wilson (whom the Vikings coaches loved after working with him at the Senior Bowl) in the third round of the 2012 draft with Ponder on the roster. The Vikings went to the playoffs with Ponder in 2012, but the quarterback lost his starting job in 2013, as the Vikings went 5-10-1 with three starting QBs (Ponder, Matt Cassel and Josh Freeman) during Leslie Frazier's final year as head coach.
As the Vikings tried to solve their quarterback quandary with a deep study on passing prospects before the 2014 draft, they reasoned they could build a contending team in the short term without an elite quarterback.
The media heads were split on the Cousins signing because some of them felt he was no better than the guy they already had - Case Keenum. They let Keenum walk right after their last playoff run and signed Kirk to a biggie.
@DH13 posted:The media heads were split on the Cousins signing because some of them felt he was no better than the guy they already had - Case Keenum. They let Keenum walk right after their last playoff run and signed Kirk to a biggie.
Yeah. It wasn't that Cousins wasn't better than Keenum. He was obviously more talented. If you could have had him for the same cap hit as Keenum that's a no brainer.
It's just that he wasn't better enough to justify allocating him the cap space that you could have used on Keenum AND two other good starters.
Cousins and Keenum before him benefitted from having a top 5 WR group in the NFL every year. It's either been Diggs or Jefferson with Thielen. While none of those guys are Davante Adams, there is probably no other team that's had two guys that good over the last few years.
No, I don't think the argument was that simple. It wasn't just Cousins vs. Keenum on cost but also that Keenum had really only had that one successful year where Kirk had a longer record of better play.
The Vikings made a big gamble and it didn’t work out. Gambles happen all the time. Sometimes it works out, other times not so much. They are paying (literally) the price for another year+.
@DH13 posted:No, I don't think the argument was that simple. It wasn't just Cousins vs. Keenum on cost but also that Keenum had really only had that one successful year where Kirk had a longer record of better play.
Better is in the eye of the beholder. I remember most WFT fans at the time were glad to see him go.
"YOU LIKE THAT?"
No.
Viking Bro-in-law is giddy. Burn it down and get a coach that will actually develop a QB. His wish list for an OC is Pep Hamilton.
I endorse both options
*Or Vikings
— Scary Alvarez (@barryisthedon) January 10, 2022
You also heard that here first
I told my nephew (Viking fan) on Sunday that Packer and Viking fans had something in common. Both watching meaningless football games.
His response?
Every Viking game is meaningless. 
@EC Pack posted:I told my nephew (Viking fan) on Sunday that Packer and Viking fans had something in common. Both watching meaningless football games.
His response?
Every Viking game is meaningless.
Priceless!
@El-Ka-Bong posted:I endorse both options
*Or Vikings
— Scary Alvarez (@barryisthedon) January 10, 2022
You also heard that here first
PJ Fleck would be the most likely NFL head coach to get punched out by his own players in a long time. His act would wear thing pretty quickly on grown men.
@EC Pack posted:Quicker than Meyer in Jax?
Meyer could get away with a lot more before somebody would clock him. Three national titles at two schools in college and he is the second most successful college coach of the modern era.
PJ Fleck and the "row the boat" shit just makes guys roll their eyes. The "Rah, Rah" stuff works in lower D1 like Western Michigan or at a school that might as well be in the MAC like Minnesota. It gets the fanbase excited. Can you imagine walking into a meeting with Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers and acting like he does?
Saban is the one guy that could have been successful in the NFL had he stuck it out. He would probably still be there if the Dolphins medical staff didn't fail Brees on his physical. Brees was originally headed to the Dolphins, but the doctors were very concerned about his shoulder injury that happened in San Diego. Instead of Brees, Saban got stuck with Dante Culpepper who was a one-trick pony (lob the ball to Randy Moss)
Saban is right where he belongs. He may have made it as a pro coach, but not to the level he has with 'Bama.
@Fandame posted:Saban is right where he belongs. He may have made it as a pro coach, but not to the level he has with 'Bama.
He does have better NFL talent come in on annual basis in his recruiting classes than an NFL team would get over any 5 years of drafting.
Last year, 6 of the top 24 picks were from Bama. In 2020, 4 of the top 15 were.
In the past 4 drafts, 27 Alabama players have gone in the first three rounds. 32 guys from those 4 classes have started at least a season for an NFL team. I think it was Tschmak that said in another thread that if you just took Alabama and LSU guys that entered the league in the last 6-8 years no one would beat them. Just Alabama guys would probably do it. I'm not even listing the Front 7 and OL here. They've have 7 OL drafted in the 1st or second round since 2015, 8 DL in that same timespan in those two rounds, and 5 LBs drafted in the top 3 rounds.
QB: Mac Jones, Tua, Hurts
RB; D. Henry, J. Jacobs, D. Harris, N. Harris
WR: Waddle, Jeudy, Ruggs, D. Smith, Amari Cooper
DB: Surtain, T. Diggs, E. Jackson, M. Humphrey, M. Fitzpatrick
His biggest problem now is that Georgia is getting as many 5 stars as Alabama is. The last 4 classes Georgia has gotten something like 22 5-star guys. The guy that returned the pick-6 to clinch it last night (Ringo) chose Georgia over Oregon and Alabama. 3 years ago he probably goes to Alabama.
n the NFL, about 90% of being competitive is having the QB. If he have gotten Brees, he'd have won big in the NFL too. Despite the fact he wouldn't have an enormous advantage in talent at the NFL-level like he does at Bama, he's a good enough coach and talent developer to have succeeded.
You are correct in that Georgia has climbed up the talant ladder! Their team speed last night in that game was unreal. There were a lot of times they made Bama look slow, especially when it came to GA's DL and LBs. It was a fun game, but Smart has really built a heck of a team.
@Pikes Peak posted:
That's the best thing I've read in weeks.
@Dr._Bob posted:Is that an Onion article?
Not sure….found it on Rube Chat.
@Pikes Peak posted:Not sure….found it on Rube Chat.
Pedmo said Packer fans think I'm a stooge!
Ya'all, this is how bad it is in vikings-land... here is an article reminiscing about the FOUR YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF THE MINNESOTA MIRACLE. This is like an onion article. How spoiled are we that we complain about losing 2 NFC title games in a row...good grief...
I’m finally in a place to talk about losing Speilman. It’s hard to see him pass. It’s very hard. He’s done so much for GB. He’s given much. Zimm is whatever. He’ll land somewhere like Kick Ass or Frazier. But losing Speilman is crushing.
My strength lies in Minny finding another Speilman. Because the Vikings suck.
Not an Onion article, but the Vikings interviewed Eliot Wolf for their open GM spot. I can hear Eliot talking about he wants to "stick it to GB". The Viking bought the same line from another former Packer employee. It may have given the Vikings and their fans hope but no SB. If the Vikings want to get to the real SB, they need to stop making a victory over another team in the regular season their SB.
@Ghost of Lambeau posted:………but If the Vikings want to get to the real SB, they need to stop making a victory over another team in the regular season their SB.
But that IS their Superb Owl!
