Vikings Suck

ChilliJon posted:

November 29, 2007. C. Weislers. Small Pub in Cedarburg WI. Packers @ Cowboys. 

After the game everyone was certain the season was sunk if Favre missed multiple weeks. This Rodgers guy looked ok but he wasn’t the answer.

I thought he was. He wasn't intimidated by those Cowboys. If he had started that game he would have won it.

*Edited to clarify I meant that game.

QuietOne posted:
ChilliJon posted:

November 29, 2007. C. Weislers. Small Pub in Cedarburg WI. Packers @ Cowboys. 

After the game everyone was certain the season was sunk if Favre missed multiple weeks. This Rodgers guy looked ok but he wasn’t the answer.

I thought he was. He wasn't intimidated by those Cowboys. If he had started he would have won that game.

GB was 10-1 before that game. Anyone that thought Aaron should have started isn’t remembering when things went wrong correctly. 

ammo posted:
YATittle posted:
I see at least seven more losses in their schedule from here on out...

I have hope.

So which is it,  a final record of 7-9 or a winning season and playoffs?       

seven losses on the VIKINGS schedule. Thread was about them.

Thought I'd chime in on the hit.  From what I have seen, the vast majority of folks do not believe it was a dirty hit.

I disagree.

There was enough time between when Rodgers was no longer a part of the play and Barr giving a little extra with his body at the end of that hit for Barr to be aware Rodgers was out of the play.  I can see it if Rodger's still has the ball.  Maybe that little extra forces a fumble, for example.

Once a player is no longer involved in a play, there is no justification for giving a little extra.

I am reminded of the vicious hit Sapp put on Chad Clifton.  The main argument against what Sapp did is that Clinton was some 30 yards from whoever had the ball.  In other words, he was out of the play.

I don't care if the hit was legal in terms of the official rules.  There is simply no justification for hitting a person with unnecessary severity if the player being hit is out of the play.

What a kick in the teeth.

If Rodgers doesn't break his collarbone I doubt many, if any, would be calling the hit dirty or questionable.

FinnLander posted:

We already know it's a lie based on Trevathan/Adams.  Much worse hit.

A one game suspension for Travathon's hit is an absolute joke. The NFL doesn't care about player safety unless it affects one of the superstars the casual fan tunes in to see. That's why Rodger's hit may make them rethink that kind of tackle.

If it's Joe Schmoe (which is what Davante Adams is to a casual fan), the NFL mainly wants to create the perception they care about player safety. A significant portion of the fan base tunes in to see the big hits and punishing tackles (the same demographic that watches MMA).

I agree with MM on the hit. It wasn't illegal according to today's rules. MM said it was unnecessary, and with that I agree totally. I also believe it was an intent to drive Rodgers into the ground with a disregard for the health of a near-defenseless player. Two steps after the ball is gone is too late to hit a QB in the open. They stop if the guy is in the pocket or it's a penalty and fine. And don't give me the "it was too late to hold up" or "it was a bang-bang play" crap  that Zimmer is using to justify it. It wasn't illegal, but it was cheap and the intention was to hurt.

Hungry5 posted:

If Rodgers doesn't break his collarbone I doubt many, if any, would be calling the hit dirty or questionable.

That's what these guys like Barr and Trevathan count on, that the guys aren't going to get injured enough to come out of the game. They absolutely do want to hurt guys like Rodgers and Adams, because 99 times out of 100, the punishment inflicted is something that they'll be able to play through. But, when Adams goes off the field on a stretcher, or Rodgers is taken back to the locker room on a stretcher, the Trevathans and Barrs of the world come out and say, "I didn't mean it. I'm not a dirty player." It's analogous to the guy that gets busted at a casino in Vegas. "I didn't mean to cheat". The hell you didn't. You're just trying to safe face because you got caught. 

I've had enough time since the play where I've calmed down. The rules of the NFL might say it wasn't illegal (who the hell knows, now? The rules seemingly change week to week, and two identical plays, in different games, get ruled upon differently-see the pick penalty that was called against Bennett, overturning a Cobb TD catch. The exact same thing happened in New England...same week, and it was initially called a penalty until the Golden Boy Tom Brady whined about it. The flag on Gronk was picked up, and the Pats got the TD), but it was unnecessary, and dirty. I'm sorry, the whole "Barr didn't have enough time to react after Rodgers' throw" excuse doesn't hold water. These guys have lightning fast reflexes. They have to, because otherwise, a running back cuts, or a wide receiver breaks on their route, and they're gone to the end zone. Barr knew Rodgers was out of the box, so those extra protections in place for the quarterback were out of the picture. He also knew that Rodgers had thrown the ball, so the whole "how many times has Rodgers pump faked, and then run for a first down"excuse is also untenable. Barr found the perfect opportunity to plant Rodgers on his throwing shoulder. At worst, from the Vikings' perspective, Rodgers is sore as hell, and maybe less likely to take off on a broken play. At best, maybe Rodgers is knocked out of the game, and the Vikings chances to win increase exponentially. 

The NFL "talks" about player safety. Well, Roger, you've got three of your marquee players out now in Watt, Beckham and Rodgers. And another guy just got like a $60k fine for a cheap shot on Alex Smith, who is probably the front runner for league MVP right now. He could have easily been knocked out for the year, too. I don't buy the whole "NFL cares" BS routine. Why? Because these kinds of hits are allowed...they fall into some gray area. Guys with a reputation, and a history, for cheap shots, like Barr, are allowed to continue doing so. And now, because of that, the Packers' season is in deep trouble. 

Until the league gets serious about going after these thugs, more marquee players will suffer major injuries. 

 

Vikings fans say Packer fans are whiners. They say Aaron Rodgers is a whiner, always begging for a flag when things don't go his way.  I get angered easily when I hear this bull****. Then, I remember who is saying these things. F****** vikings fans! They are the very definition of what it means to be a whiner! The one fanbase in all of football who doesn't understand what tradition means, what winning means and what greatness is. The "Look at us" fanbase from the "Look at us" team trying to get as much attention that anyone is willing to give them. The problem is that they cannot bear that kind of scrutiny. So, f*** you, vikings fans and your crappy organization. I'll be waiting for the big collapse. It's coming and sooner than you think! And when it does, I'll be looking at you!

Jake Ryan was fined $18.2k for his horse collar tackle on McKinnon. Twice the amount Barr was fined for deliberately headbutting a player one week removed from a concussion. 

If by chance GB is eliminated from the playoffs when Minny visits GB on December 23rd and a complete bloodbath breaks out I best not hear one damned word from the NFL office on December 24 that they didn’t see it coming. 

I’m kind of done with the Barr / Rodgers hit. What’s done is done. Players are going to sort things out in time. It’s going to be a Packer player with nothing to lose and little on the line. My guess is Martellus Bennett will go after Barr based on how he went after KJ Wright. 

But the NFL has set the stage for things to potentially get really sideways on Christmas Eve Eve. 

Now. If GB is fully in the playoff picture on December 23 then wait for another time and place. But Barr’s day is coming. 

ChilliJon posted:

If by chance GB is eliminated from the playoffs when Minny visits GB on December 23rd and a complete bloodbath breaks out I best not hear one damned word from the NFL office on December 24 that they didn’t see it coming. 

I guess I didn’t realize the league went through you first

ChilliJon posted:

Jake Ryan was fined $18.2k for his horse collar tackle on McKinnon. Twice the amount Barr was fined for deliberately headbutting a player one week removed from a concussion...

 

The NFLFU has to find an equitable way of doling out fines/suspensions. I'm not for sure how they accomplish it, but I am sure they have enough money to solve it. Punishments are often wildly assessed to the point they make no sense, whether it's on- or off-field related. Exhibit A is quoted above. 

I'm compelled to add this is yet another area where the NFLPA is 'cheating' the players. Very poor representation, IMO. The very sort of thing that could make one think of collusion, speaking of collusion...
I'd hope making changes to the entire process of assessing fines, suspensions, or other punishments, and the resulting appeals and endless court battles would be beneficial to both the league and the union. What they're doing now sure isn't working.

Apologies for the off-topic comments.   Barr!

YooperPackfan posted:
ChilliJon posted:

If by chance GB is eliminated from the playoffs when Minny visits GB on December 23rd and a complete bloodbath breaks out I best not hear one damned word from the NFL office on December 24 that they didn’t see it coming. 

I guess I didn’t realize the league went through you first

Yes. This weekend is going to be something. 

Timmy! posted:

Seems the Vikes are a bit out of control on defense...
2 different guys with headshots in consecutive weeks, and Barr's "tackle" of Rodgers. Surely this is not taught....

Sendejo Suspended One Game

Zimmer, of course, defends that type of play, according to tonight's Strib: "Zimmer said he’ll send the play to the league to be reviewed again.

"'I think the receiver took five steps after he caught the ball and I think [Sendejo] hit him with a glancing blow,' Zimmer said. 'I know what [the officials] told me, but I’m going to turn it in and see what they say. [Wallace] established position as a runner, took two extra steps and Xavier [Rhodes] was trying to pull the ball out, which he ended up doing. [Wallace] went down a little bit, but in my opinion he was a runner.'"

Yup, a glancing blow that blew the guy's helmet off and knocked him cold. And Rhodes only got the ball because Wallace was lights out. Zimmer must need eye surgery again.

Case “Mother ****ing” Keemum is winning games because he has a defense that allows him to chop shop his way to barely above water **** stats to produce a win. 

His numbers SUCK!!!!! 

Thats how back ups win.  Defense and ST lower the stress. They don’t add it. 

Stop being a pussy Mike. Kick the training  wheels off Hundley. Coach him up some plays. Tell Zook to do his job. And fire Dom Capers! 

Regarding the Vikings. We know how this ends. They know how this ends. Poorly. 

When the dust of 2017 settles Viking fan knows their shining accomplishment will be not watching Aaron Rodgers holding a Lombardi in a stadium that won’t be paid for before its leveled  

I need a ****ing drink. ****!!!!!!

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