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Don't need to tell anyone where I stand. Mike needs a road win. I don't think Mike has it in him to break protocol and let his staff help him get this done. This is Mike's Little Bighorn. He's not saving himself with a win. But he's long gone with a loss. 

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Good analogy. This is as good a hill as any to make a last stand.

They would probably not be mathematically eliminated from the post season with a loss, but yeah. 

Silverstein says the Packers haven’t had a “galvanizing” moment. Actually they’ve had big moments, they’ve just been the wrong kind, like the ref screwjob in the first Queens game and Montgomery’s “Deliverance” against the Rams.  

Time to lift the curse or go down swinging.

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Pistol GB posted:

Good analogy. This is as good a hill as any to make a last stand.

They would probably not be mathematically eliminated from the post season with a loss, but yeah. 

Silverstein says the Packers haven’t had a “galvanizing” moment. Actually they’ve had big moments, they’ve just been the wrong kind, like the ref screwjob in the first Queens game and Montgomery’s “Deliverance” against the Rams.  

Time to lift the curse or go down swinging.

Go down swinging. HELL YEAH!!! OPEN IT UP MIKE!! WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO LOSE? Mike if you do anything this year. BEAT THIS FRICKEN TEAM!!!

There's no denying Minn is a solid home team, and GB has had their struggles on the road.  However one more loss and GB can almost kiss any aspiration of playoff football goodbye. I don't think a quarterback like Aaron Rodgers is going to let that happen this early in the season.

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skully posted:

There's no denying Minn is a solid home team, and GB has had their struggles on the road.  However one more loss and GB can almost kiss any aspiration of playoff football goodbye. I don't think a quarterback like Aaron Rodgers is going to let that happen this early in the season. I see this game being close throughout so I'll take my shot with GB.

 

 
 

 

Perfect tackle yesterday, today, and tomorrow. Effin' NFL.

I think the rift between MM and Rodgers really shows itself this weekend, and GB is dead in the water as far as playoffs. If GB does lose, I wonder if MM makes it to next week...

The loser of this game is done for the year, the winner still has a chance at the playoffs. That being said, how disappointed must viking fans be with how this season turned out? This was their "all in year", they signed their supposed "franchise QB", and fortified one of the better defenses in the NFL. What went wrong? Oh, that's right. You need some decent offensive lineman to protect your "franchise QB", and give your running backs room to run.

The Bears showed what you can do to Cousins. And the Queens D can be moved on. The Packers will be coming off of a mini-bye week, while the Queens are coming off a Sunday night game. No excuses fat Mikey.

That said, the Tool Shed has been a house horrors for the Packers. I was there last year and it doesn't get much worse than that. Against better judgement, I'm going again Sunday. The retarded Skol chat, the freakin' Viking horn after every play, ugh.

If we see the usual opening drive three and out, predictable play calling, boneheaded penalties, horrid special teams and desperate 4Q come from behind attempt, it's gonna be a long night. 

 

 

Fandame posted:
skully posted:

There's no denying Minn is a solid home team, and GB has had their struggles on the road.  However one more loss and GB can almost kiss any aspiration of playoff football goodbye. I don't think a quarterback like Aaron Rodgers is going to let that happen this early in the season. I see this game being close throughout so I'll take my shot with GB.

 

 
 

 

Perfect tackle yesterday, today, and tomorrow. Effin' NFL.

I think the rift between MM and Rodgers really shows itself this weekend, and GB is dead in the water as far as playoffs. If GB does lose, I wonder if MM makes it to next week...

MM will be here next week regardless of the outcome of this game. 

ChilliJon posted:

Don't need to tell anyone where I stand. Mike needs a road win. I don't think Mike has it in him to break protocol and let his staff help him get this done. This is Mike's Little Bighorn. He's not saving himself with a win. But he's long gone with a loss. 

Bob McGinn was on a radio interview yesterday talking about modern day offensive schemes/game plans and said MM simply "doesn't believe in trickery or cleverness" when it comes to what he'll call on the field. 

And he's right. I can count one hand in ALL the years MM has run this offense  and the times he did anything to get creative. Using a Taysom Hill the way New Orleans does?  Would it even occur to MM to use him as a WR, a RB, a TE or a QB on given plays the way Peyton does? I don't think it would even cross his mind. 

MM had at one time a young, versatile WR in Cobb (Cobb played some QB in college)  and Montgomery who also could have been used creatively.  Never happened. Aaron Jones is sitting there under utilized and disappears for large chunks of a game.

If today's game has passed MM by (which I believe it has), it's because he simply refuses to implement modern day plays, scheme WR's open, and get the most out of his talent. And that's likely what gets him shipped out of 1265 at the end of the year. 

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MNPackman posted:

The loser of this game is done for the year, the winner still has a chance at the playoffs. That being said, how disappointed must viking fans be with how this season turned out? This was their "all in year", they signed their supposed "franchise QB", and fortified one of the better defenses in the NFL. What went wrong? Oh, that's right. You need some decent offensive lineman to protect your "franchise QB", and give your running backs room to run.

Yep this was a Spermheads team that had their fans earlier in the year saying their D is so tough Rodgers might get seriously hurt against it.  I don't care if they win because of MM, in spite of MM, if #12 pulls some magic, or if they win 2-0 on a safety.  Just beat the damn spermheads.

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packerboi posted:

Bob McGinn was on a radio interview yesterday talking about modern day offensive schemes/game plans and said MM simply "doesn't believe in trickery or cleverness" when it comes to what he'll call on the field. 

And he's right. I can count one hand in ALL the years MM has run this offense  and the times he did anything to get creative. Using a Taysom Hill the way New Orleans does?  Would it even occur to MM to use him as a WR, a RB, a TE or a QB on given plays the way Peyton does? I don't think it would even cross his mind. 

MM had at one time a young, versatile WR in Cobb (Cobb played some QB in college)  and Montgomery who also could have been used creatively.  Never happened. Aaron Jones is sitting there under utilized and disappears for large chunks of a game.

If today's game has passed MM by (which I believe it has), it's because he simply refuses to implement modern day plays, scheme WR's open, and get the most out of his talent. And that's likely what gets him shipped out of 1265 at the end of the year. 

I actually think GB has perhaps the most unique offense in the NFL...the amount of adjustments that every player has to do every play, from what I've read, is not something that is common. The problem is that it's a scheme, much like Dom Capers scheme, that is almost entirely reliant on savvy veterans to execute. We were stocked with those players in 2011 and 2014 at every level and the offense just absolutely hummed. It's a good idea, but just like we're seeing right now, things can easily fall apart when players aren't making the right adjustments. 

McCarthy has been praised by other coaches in the past for how he's used players like Montgomery and Cobb and especially by Rodgers for how they schemed to deal with Zimmer's defense. I think he's innovative, or at least wants to be innovative, but for some reason he hasn't had the stones to make changes.  

Grave Digger posted:

Minnesota still has a football team? I thought they moved to LA? Hmm you learn something every day.

I remember when the Minnesota vikings almost became the San Antonio vikings. I was praying for it to be so.

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mrtundra posted:
Grave Digger posted:

Minnesota still has a football team? I thought they moved to LA? Hmm you learn something every day.

I remember when the vikings almost became the San Antonio vikings. 

Purple pride, purple pride.

We gotta put pressure on Cousins so our DBs can enjoy the INT frenzy. I like how the Bears stopped the vikings' running game. We need to do that as well. It will be tough if Daniels is gone, but others can step up and stuff the viking RBs. I hope Fackrell has as big of a day as he did the last game he played. If this game ends up in a tie, or a loss, we are done.  The vikings  won't be in the playoffs, either, if we tie. That would give me lots to work for, in and of itself, if I were a Packer.  We need to find the quick rhythm passing game to our WRs, TEs and RBs underneath the coverage. We need to feed and block for Mr Jones. Purple Crush is the flavor of the day!

"Bob McGinn was on a radio interview yesterday talking about modern day offensive schemes/game plans and said MM simply "doesn't believe in trickery or cleverness" when it comes to what he'll call on the field. "

 

A trick play (or one built on deception) is an all in from the huddle concept. There is no opportunity for adjustment. McCarthy's offense is built around flexibility until the snap. However, it seems to require PhD level smarts at every position to execute properly.

unfortunately, i see the biggest problem being a heavy run dose - no 76 means a lot of runs...and i see it getting ugly, they can combo block and move the big guys upfield to block lb's-we will need unbelievable play from our bigger lb's, i see a black/blue game.  if they are stupid they will pass all day long, but if they're smart, they run all day and cook is in so...

If MM is a total “scheme and everyone read” guy, then no wonder he kept Dom so long. Toupees in a pod.

And it’s too bad MM cannot adjust to the 2018 game the way it’s played because he really has been a professional in conducting himself and in his public interactions about his players, etc. If he could adapt and keep Rodgers’ respect, he was set for decades in GB—as long as he added a couple SBs.

pkr_north posted:

unfortunately, i see the biggest problem being a heavy run dose - no 76 means a lot of runs...and i see it getting ugly, they can combo block and move the big guys upfield to block lb's-we will need unbelievable play from our bigger lb's, i see a black/blue game.  if they are stupid they will pass all day long, but if they're smart, they run all day and cook is in so...

Diggs looked good last week. Seems to be recovered from his injuries. Thielen always has a big game. 

PackerHawk posted:

Mike's Little Bighorn sounds like an all you can eat buffet. 

In the original "Little Bighorn" men lost their lives, jobs, and had very little to eat. 

In "Mike's Little Bighorn" one guy (at first anyway) will lose his job.  But he will still be alive and can visit the buffet anytime he wishes. 

I am not seeing the connection. 

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