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There are some pretty big carrots dangling at FA positions the Packers need to fill. In the TT era, I wouldn't even bring this up. With Gutey. gladly we can.

FA WR's who are UFA include Amari Cooper, Emmanuel Sanders,  Davante Parker, Robby Anderson, among others. It's also a very deep draft at WR in 2020 so we will see what the market is like for WR's in FA.  

ILB's include Joe Schobert, Danny Trevathan, Kyle Van Noy, Cory Littleton, Patrick Onwuasor among others. 

The Packers will shed Graham's salary and have a decision to make with Bulaga. I'd love to see Brian here on a team friendly deal but I fully get it if some team throws gobs of money at him.

But, if the Packers make moves at say ILB and WR in FA, obviously that affects how Gutey approaches the draft.    

  

On WRs, there's plenty of guys out there, including Randall Cobb of all people.  Hey, he's only 29 and AR loves the guy.  

I think Bulaga is a guy that you almost have to bring back if the cost is "doable."  When healthy, the guy is one of the top RTs in the game. I get health has been an issue but those dudes don't grow on trees.  I think this Veldheer guy also plays into the equation with what to do with Bulaga.  

GB desperately needs another MLB.  Not to replace Martinez, but to play next to him.  

YATittle posted:

Not everything shows up in the stats.

But sometimes they do show up in stats:

2019 Passes Defensed – Linebacker

Eric Kendricks Vikings 12

Luke Kuechly Panthers 10

Joe Schobert Browns 9

Demario Davis Saints 9

Matt Milano Bills 9

Lorenzo Alexander Bills 8

Corely Littleton Rams 8

K.J. Wright Seahawks 8

Jayon Brown Titans 7

Tremaine Edmunds Bills 7

Fred Warner 49ers 6

Jaylon Smith Cowboys 6

Hasson Reddick Cardinals 6

Jordan Hicks Cardinals 6

Lavonte David Bucs 5

Preston Smith Packers 3

BLAKE MARTINEZ PACKERS ZERO (0)

 

2019 Interceptions – Linebacker

Joe Schobert Browns 4

Jordan Hicks Cardinals 3

Jamie Collins, Sr. Patriots 3

Neville Hewitt Jets 2

Josh Bynes Raves 2

Darius Leonard Colts 2

Luke Kuechly Panthers 2

Ryan Connelly Giants 2

De’Vondre Campbell Falcons 2

Cory Littleton Rams 2

Devin Bush Steelers 2

BLAKE MARTINEZ ZERO (0)

Easy, PAKRZ...I like how you're ready to defend Blake. We're all fans here. One thing that needs to happen is he needs to be kept clean. He gets too caught up in the scrum, and doesn't disengage well from blocks. He also doesn't have them fluid hips to turn and cover receivers. He's still a very good linebacker.

I do think we could use a faster guy in the middle. If we're stuck paying out a big contract for a MLB, I'd rather the team go after Schobert.

I also wouldn't mind us moving up in the 1st for Murray, either, if he's the missing piece in the middle of the defense.

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Grave Digger posted:

My favorite ILB is Miami ILB Shaq Quarterman. I think he's a true ILB, not a tweener or a hybrid Safety type that draftniks seem to be enamored with and overrate. He's a dog in the middle, he doesn't get much love because he's not blazing fast (probably 4.6-4.7) and he's not elite in coverage, but he's going to be a good run defender in the NFL.  

Sounds like Bernardo Harris 😁👍

Pakrz posted:

You have no idea what you're talking about. Stop listening to dumdums on this board looking to find a convenient whipping boy.  

 

I'm basing it on what I see with my eyes and decades of watching all levels of football. Not what I read on this or any other message board.

Guys like Blake Martinez are tricky.  I think he's a nice average ILB in today's NFL maybe even a tick above average, but I fear that someone will pay him as if he's well above average.  I don't really want the Packers' paying him like that if at all possible.  If there's a bidding war for him, let someone else "win" it. 

SteveLuke posted:
YATittle posted:

Not everything shows up in the stats.

But sometimes they do show up in stats:

2019 Passes Defensed – Linebacker

Eric Kendricks Vikings 12

Luke Kuechly Panthers 10

Joe Schobert Browns 9

Demario Davis Saints 9

Matt Milano Bills 9

Lorenzo Alexander Bills 8

Corely Littleton Rams 8

K.J. Wright Seahawks 8

Jayon Brown Titans 7

Tremaine Edmunds Bills 7

Fred Warner 49ers 6

Jaylon Smith Cowboys 6

Hasson Reddick Cardinals 6

Jordan Hicks Cardinals 6

Lavonte David Bucs 5

Preston Smith Packers 3

BLAKE MARTINEZ PACKERS ZERO (0)

 

2019 Interceptions – Linebacker

Joe Schobert Browns 4

Jordan Hicks Cardinals 3

Jamie Collins, Sr. Patriots 3

Neville Hewitt Jets 2

Josh Bynes Raves 2

Darius Leonard Colts 2

Luke Kuechly Panthers 2

Ryan Connelly Giants 2

De’Vondre Campbell Falcons 2

Cory Littleton Rams 2

Devin Bush Steelers 2

BLAKE MARTINEZ ZERO (0)

Now roll out the rest of the stats.

 

SteveLuke posted:
YATittle posted:

Not everything shows up in the stats.

But sometimes they do show up in stats:

2019 Passes Defensed – Linebacker

Eric Kendricks Vikings 12

Luke Kuechly Panthers 10

Joe Schobert Browns 9

Demario Davis Saints 9

Matt Milano Bills 9

Lorenzo Alexander Bills 8

Corely Littleton Rams 8

K.J. Wright Seahawks 8

Jayon Brown Titans 7

Tremaine Edmunds Bills 7

Fred Warner 49ers 6

Jaylon Smith Cowboys 6

Hasson Reddick Cardinals 6

Jordan Hicks Cardinals 6

Lavonte David Bucs 5

Preston Smith Packers 3

BLAKE MARTINEZ PACKERS ZERO (0)

 

2019 Interceptions – Linebacker

Joe Schobert Browns 4

Jordan Hicks Cardinals 3

Jamie Collins, Sr. Patriots 3

Neville Hewitt Jets 2

Josh Bynes Raves 2

Darius Leonard Colts 2

Luke Kuechly Panthers 2

Ryan Connelly Giants 2

De’Vondre Campbell Falcons 2

Cory Littleton Rams 2

Devin Bush Steelers 2

BLAKE MARTINEZ ZERO (0)

I don't see Bobby Wagner or Roquan Smith on either list.  Tell me those guys are shitty linebackers too.  

Packmeister posted:

Easy, PAKRZ...I like how you're ready to defend Blake. We're all fans here. One thing that needs to happen is he needs to be kept clean. He gets too caught up in the scrum, and doesn't disengage well from blocks. He also doesn't have them fluid hips to turn and cover receivers. He's still a very good linebacker.

I do think we could use a faster guy in the middle. If we're stuck paying out a big contract for a MLB, I'd rather the team go after Schobert.

I also wouldn't mind us moving up in the 1st for Murray, either, if he's the missing piece in the middle of the defense.

Believe me, I understand Martinez has his limitations.  There's no denying that there's better MLBs in the NFL.  But to just brush his production aside like he shouldn't even be on the field is ridiculous.  I agree with your take that he is "Still a very good linebacker."  He absolutely is... with limitations. 

I also agree with most that GB needs to be careful to not get into a bidding war for him.  Again though... if GB can retain him at a reasonable rate, they should because the kid can play.  How "reasonable" is defined is obviously debatable.  

Martinez would be fine NEXT to Bobby Wagner. Asking him to be Wagner is setting him up for failure. His stats are fine, but he’s not making key plays consistently enough that we need from ILBs. We also heard Philip Rivers mention there’s no cat and mouse with the defense, that’s on Martinez for not making the right pre-snap reads. That was one of Clay’s biggest strengths and it’s what great ILBs can do. Put a better guy next to Mart and we’re fine at ILB. 

In regards to Martinez, I think it is underappreciated that he essentially is THE only real linebacker that plays on defense. Most of the time he is paired with a safety or a second teamer like Goodson. I think this has a big part of his liabilities of getting off blocks etc...

I'd still like to see passing yards allowed at ILB. I think that would show more if Blake is average in that area or truly near the bottom of the pile. Of course that will also be higher based on the high number of snaps he takes. Maybe yards per target or something. 

Grave Digger posted:

Saw a quote from Pettine recently that made me think they don't think as poorly of King as folks here do. Said he had things he wants back and things he needs to improve on, but seemed to almost imply some instances were also Safety related. Said they put CBs in tough spots a lot and that was also part of it. King has 1 more year on his rookie deal, so I'm betting they don't pour another R1 pick into the mix this year in the hopes that he turns it on fully in 2020. King might end up being a good player IF he can improve on the mental side because I see his instincts and awareness as huge liabilities right now. When he guess right on the route, he can stick and plays well, but when he guesses wrong (which is often IMO) he can't keep up. 

 

The issue is they play nickel so often they need another corner who can play right away. If Xavier McKinney were a bit faster, he'd be an interesting guy. I suppose they could lean need and go something like this:

 

That would lean more toward building depth at safety, though it kind of repeats  Moore/MVS/EQ (except Hill and Cephus have very good hands). I suppose they could do worse than going in to next season with Adams, MVS, maybe Lazard and the rookies. 

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I think they will add WR's both via the draft at FA next year. I'd like to see Parker from Miami. 26 years old and coming off a career season. His stats before this year were pretty "meh" but so was QB situation in Miami. 

El-Nuke-the-Hurricanes-Bong posted:

I can understand if Cephus has a strong desire to get out of college, but as a junior, wouldn't he increase his earning potential with another year in college? 

Maybe, but with the arrest probably being the biggest factor I’m not sure it would.