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i think i saw only one consequential catch, for the first down, he got out-muscled a bunch, ya, i would agree, but do you cut him for what? - maybe if we grab another wr via trade...but i think shepard is the guy who should have his head on a swivel this week, could be swapping for the guy they cut last week. 10 did not have a good game. wwj did not seem overly engaged, when i saw, so that's also not exciting...lazard grabbed it by the throat, thinking wwj would have, but ya, i think he's up one rung from the bottom with 10 being on the bottom.
Adams 3 years ago was Dropvonte. Now heâs a top 3 guy. Jordy was dropping passes in the Super Bowl- then he was one of our favorites making freeze frame catches against the best defenses in the NFL.
Lazard came up big against the Lions, but each week the variables are countless, so the dynamic changes commensurately. He may be completely useless against Las Vegas because theyâre doing something different.
It takes time- some more than others. The ones who learn and then get consistent become the most valuable. Hopefully Lazard will do that. Or someone else will. Maybe this week itâs WWJ...
You rang?
I wasnât going to post until I made an impact. Well, here I an bishes!!!
Spelling is not his strong suit.
On a replay last night, I wanna say somewhere in the 3rd Q, WWJ is streaking down the field WIDE OPEN. Like Aaron Jones fumble fingers for that TD kinda wide open.
Rodgers, while under some pressure, just didnât see him. Had he hit him in stride, WWJ scores easily. Give it time.
Well if heâs posting in this forum, I just need to wonder about his dedication.
Blackwater lizard.
It happened last night.
Iâm in between meetings.
LMAO, I know who this is!
He might be better than other Packers' pre-season wonders like Tori Gurley and Chastain West, but not much better.
TouchdownWhitewaterJesus posted:You rang?
I wasnât going to post until I made an impact. Well, here I an bishes!!!
You came too early. I'm certain that's not the first time you've heard that.
TouchdownWhitewaterJesus posted:You rang?
I wasnât going to post until I made an impact. Well, here I an bishes!!!
Just don't "like" every single post and you'll get along fine.
Marginal player who struggles to get open.
I didn't see the wide-open route, but every other time wwj crossed the screen a DB was on his hip. Wasn't open much.
Iâve never really understood the high expectations for this guy. This is his 5th year in the NFL and he has never done anything outside of flashing against 3rd and 4th stringers in the pre season. I donât see him ever breaking out.
I'll post some all-22 when it comes out.
TouchdownWhitewaterJesus posted:Iâm in between meatings
FTFY
packerboi posted:On a replay last night, I wanna say somewhere in the 3rd Q, WWJ is streaking down the field WIDE OPEN. Like Aaron Jones fumble fingers for that TD kinda wide open.
Rodgers, while under some pressure, just didnât see him. Had he hit him in stride, WWJ scores easily. Give it time.
Not the only time that happened. I saw WWJ have man coverage alone on one side multiple times in the game. I saw him running free multiple times. I also saw Rodgers ignore him like a spurned 15 year old girl the whole game.
Even mentioned it to my wife. Rodgers didn't want to throw to Kumerow. Why is anybody's guess. Maybe Kumerow ran a bad route in practice leading up to the bears game?
And will GB please get Lewis more involved in the passing game? For God's sake he's a better receiver than Jimmy Graham. He can run as fast and he doesn't go down in a clump at the slightest whiff of a defender near him.
TouchdownWhitewaterJesus posted:You rang?
I wasnât going to post until I made an impact. Well, here I an bishes!!!
This is someone from rube chat.......
So now thereâs some ulterior motive for not throwing to Kumerow?
I was at the game and spent considerable amount of time watching the receivers and hereâs what I observed:
1) Detroit dropped a lot of defenders into coverage
2) Our guys struggled to get open - including Kumerow
3) Allison in particular seems to lack and understanding of the routes or where to be
4) Jimmy Graham needs to expect the ball and get his head turned around more quickly
5) Lazard was the only guy fighting for the ball
I was shocked when MVS returned as it looked like he suffered a serious injury but it gets to a larger point about our WRs. They do not like contact. The Eagles got physical with our group and it affected their performance. Detroit picked up on that (on tape) so they got physical as well.
The good news is Adams isnât scared and I liked how Lazard played aggressive but itâs something that I am concerned about going forward.
I saw Kumerow making good blocks. Don't think he is afraid of contact. And when he was open #12 never threw him the ball. That I do know.
Kumerow will play hard, know his assignments, and won't screw up if he's thrown to. You probably won't see a ball bounce off his hands for an interception or have poor ball security after the catch. That's what happens with Allison and Shepard. In other words, Kumerow won't make a play that loses you the game.
On the other hand, it's what MichiganJoe and others have said. He's a marginal player physically who is not going to get great separation or make a sensational play to win a game. If you put him on a team with 2 or 3 other great WRs that would force the opposing defense to play more zone, Kumerow is probably a great guy to run routes to find holes in the zone and make safe catches.
3) Allison in particular seems to lack and understanding of the routes or where to be
Yet Rodgers was throwing to him all the time.
I can never get this out of my head when I think of Allison.....
I read that and see a dumb 18 year old kid. There's no electronic record of dumb things I said and thought when I was 18. That's a good thing.
Said, thought, did.
Just the foggy memories of my drinking buddies from back then... so no real evidence.
What I find somewhat interesting is AR12 lobbied for Lazard to play in the 4th, instead of Whitewater Jesus? Interesting since AR12 spoke so highly of Kumerow previously.
DurangoDoug posted:What I find somewhat interesting is AR12 lobbied for Lazard to play in the 4th, instead of Whitewater Jesus? Interesting since AR12 spoke so highly of Kumerow previously.
I think he sees something....
DurangoDoug posted:What I find somewhat interesting is AR12 lobbied for Lazard to play in the 4th, instead of Whitewater Jesus? Interesting since AR12 spoke so highly of Kumerow previously.
I believe Kumerow was still playing, Lazard rose from the dead for MVS and/or Allison...
Hungry5 posted:Said, thought, did.
Just the foggy memories of my drinking buddies from back then... so no real evidence.
What about band camp?
Blair Kiel posted:Hungry5 posted:Said, thought, did.
Just the foggy memories of my drinking buddies from back then... so no real evidence.
What about band camp?
What happens at band camp... stays at band camp.
DurangoDoug posted:What I find somewhat interesting is AR12 lobbied for Lazard to play in the 4th, instead of Whitewater Jesus? Interesting since AR12 spoke so highly of Kumerow previously.
He spoke highly of Lazard, too. Singled him out a couple of times in TC. I think at this point he knows what Kumerow is and he's looking for someone that can actually help them win.
Cavetoad posted:Blair Kiel posted:Hungry5 posted:Said, thought, did.
Just the foggy memories of my drinking buddies from back then... so no real evidence.
What about band camp?
What happens at band camp... stays at band camp.
You fell for the âBlow on this piccolo â trick too?
That's probably where he learned to play the Rusty trombone.
It would have been a nice story, but JK has had opportunities and he's really done nothing to set himself apart from the other guys.
No need to be vulgar.
Hungry5 posted:It would have been a nice story, but JK has had opportunities and he's really done nothing to set himself apart from the other guys.
He did today.
Agree with RMan.
And the ânice storyâ cliche is overplayed bullcrap. Can the guy play football in the NFL or not? The answer is yes.
Tightwalking the sideline after that grab for the TD. Yeah he sucks.
Whatâs next, it wasnât âcontestedâ enough? LMFAO.
Both catches today were easy pitch and catch throws.
Prediction. He's out of the league in 2020.
I'd like to see him succeed, but he just isn't special. We're seeing his ceiling.
Mindless cliches.
"Easy pitch and catch," say what? You mean he got open. Isn't that what you want him to do?
So if he's covered and makes the catch, that makes him better. Sound logic.
âCeiling,â what does that even mean? Touchdowns? Uh yes, that IS the ceiling alright, and he went there. I'll take that ceiling and yeah, that qualifies as "special" to most people.
Not even halfway and you're past tense on Kumerow. Alrighty then. Out of football next year. Good luck with that.
He's the same player since coming out of college. 0 improvement in his game.
Yes, I do expect him to get open and fight for contested balls. Work ethic and effort is great in practice, just not seeing it consistently on the field.
Rodgers was on fire... How come Kumerow only had 2 targets yesterday?
Instead of denigrating the guy, why not just hold off and see what he does while he is getting the opportunity?
Hungry5 posted:He's the same player since coming out of college. 0 improvement in his game.
Yes, I do expect him to get open and fight for contested balls. Work ethic and effort is great in practice, just not seeing it consistently on the field.
Rodgers was on fire... How come Kumerow only had 2 targets yesterday?
I have seen virtually every game Kumerow played at Whitewater. Given the opportunity, he will make plays. Like he did yesterday. What games did you see him play at Whitewater? Zero improvement? You canât be serious.
Pistol GB posted:Mindless cliches.
"Easy pitch and catch," say what? You mean he got open. Isn't that what you want him to do?
So if he's covered and makes the catch, that makes him better. Sound logic.
âCeiling,â what does that even mean? Touchdowns? Uh yes, that IS the ceiling alright, and he went there. I'll take that ceiling and yeah, that qualifies as "special" to most people.
Not even halfway and you're past tense on Kumerow. Alrighty then. Out of football next year. Good luck with that.
My guess is that he will not be out of football next year but he will revert to his previous level, someone's camp star and a spot on someone's practice squad. Maybe Green Bays.
And that's OK.
Production does not equal talent. Jarrett Boykin caught 50 passes for 700 yards in 8 games and then barely lasted 1 more season in the NFL. Maybe Kumerow adds some value, but in the end he's not a starting caliber WR and no amount of targets or reps are going to make that true. Just like Jarrett Boykin though, if he's starting for you then you have a depth problem. I know people want him to be the next Jordy Nelson because he went to school in WI, the work ethic is there, the h/w/s is there, but he's in year 5 of his career and hasn't put it together. I'm sure Rodgers will get him the ball more and he will end the season with respectable production for a #4 WR, which should be fine. He's not the future at WR though and he's not irreplaceable.
...but he is white and from WI. So he's got that going for him, which is nice.
R MaN posted:Hungry5 posted:He's the same player since coming out of college. 0 improvement in his game.
Yes, I do expect him to get open and fight for contested balls. Work ethic and effort is great in practice, just not seeing it consistently on the field.
Rodgers was on fire... How come Kumerow only had 2 targets yesterday?
I have seen virtually every game Kumerow played at Whitewater. Given the opportunity, he will make plays. Like he did yesterday. What games did you see him play at Whitewater? Zero improvement? You canât be serious.
Oh my, Whitewater. How has he improved in the NFL after 3 different teams and multiple years on practice squads? I was looking forward to seeing what he could do as well. After seeing him get manhandled off the line I knew it was another Janis situation. He doesnât have the technique to shake a DB if he has to and guess what, he has to.
BrainDed posted:...but he is white and from WI. So he's got that going for him, which is nice.
Actually from Illinois
Cut his ass then. FIB.
What?
We hate white people from Illinois?
FWIB
Thanks Obama.
Except Janis was a really good ST gunner. I would honestly kill to have Janis right now covering kicks. We ragged on guys like Jarrett Bush and Jeff Janis, but those guys were studs on STs, so reliable.
Donât disagree. Itâs just hearing the whining about how under utilized, blah, blah, blah they are. Funny how nobody said that about Jarret Bush.
BrainDed posted:Cut his ass then. FIB.
Thatâs a possibility. I never thought of that.
Henry posted:Donât disagree. Itâs just hearing the whining about how under utilized, blah, blah, blah they are. Funny how nobody said that about Jarret Bush.
Who had 2 HUGE plays in the Super Bowl, no shits given about his lack of opportunities.
Blair Kiel posted:What?
We hate white people from Illinois?
I like Frank Kaminsky
R MaN posted:I have seen virtually every game Kumerow played at Whitewater.
When you are in elementary school, no one cares where you went to pre-school.
When you are in middle school, no one cares where you went to elementary school.
When you are in high school, no one cares where you went to middle school.
When you are in college, no one cares where you went to high school.
When you are in the pros/have a job, no one cares where you went to college.
Rodgers liked what he saw in practices, it's just not translating to the games. Why is Lazard getting more reps/opportunities? It's because he is better and is improving. Yes, we've seen Kumerow's ceiling.
phaedrus posted:Instead of denigrating the guy, why not just hold off and see what he does while he is getting the opportunity?
The thing is, his window of opportunity is closing. I think Lazard has already passed him on the dept chart. Lazard had 17 snaps vs Det and 51 yesterday. Kumerow had 65 snaps vs Det and 43 yesterday. That's probably the start of a trend.
Adams is coming back in the next 1 or 2 games. That's going to take a LOT of snaps away from someone. My bet is on Kumerow losing more snaps than Lazard. *IF* the Packers make a move for a vet WR then you are going to see Kumerow's snaps drop down to less than 10 a game. Next year they have ESB back. They probably draft another WR. Only so many spots to go around.
Long term outlook isn't great for Kumerow. He needed to really make a splash with Adams out and he just didn't do it. 3 games, 156 snaps, 7 targets, 5 catches, 80 yards and a TD.
Yeah, glad to see Lazard get more snaps and even though he dropped one I see his ceiling as higher.
That drop is his only target so far that wasn't a completion. Should be 8-8 the past two games.
Did he lose that ball in the sun? From the angle of the shadows it looked like that might have happened.
Maybe the only reason Kumerow is still a Packer is because Gutey is afraid of a mob hit.
He is also the great-grandson of Chicago mob boss Tony Accardo
BrainDed posted:...but he is white and from WI. So he's got that going for him, which is nice.
He's a Flatlander. He's also cousins with the Bosa's. His great gramps was in the chicago mob, not to be mistaken for the Milwaukee mob. The chi mob and the MKE mob are not friendly. I know these things.
I will say this when it comes to comparing Kumerow and Lazard. When Lazard has the option, he's a body catcher. Kumerow is always hands from what I've seen.
Hands guy usually has less drops.
That's funny. Because that was the opposite of what I saw yesterday. JK's TD he caught in his arms up against his chest. He didn't have to leave his feet on that catch either. He did his little bunny hop so he could bread basket that ball. It was odd. If he stayed on his feet and plucked the ball out of the air he likely doesn't have to tightrope the sideline.
I think he just ran his pattern a little tight to the sideline. Rodgers fit it in there, and to JK's credit, he managed to stay inbounds long enough to squeak the ball inside the pylon. He runs that pattern even a foot more to the inside and it's an easier TD as he runs away from the DB.
When did we start hating the Great White Hope?
No hate. I just never miss a chance to jab the standard over the top homer and even better the guy who doesn't know who the idiot is in the room.
Everybody loves the feel good hometown boy routine.
I'd be happy as hell if he helped Zombo the Packers to another Superbowl but he's still a scrub. Thinking he's going to be a regular starter for years to come is goofy as fuck at this point.
Pakrz posted:When did we start hating the Great White Hope?
No idea but it's pretty lame. Sticking with the narrative I guess. Pro Bowlers at every spot or nitpick and critique each one to death. Go tell it to the hand.
The entire offense was a thing of beauty yesterday, and every player who played a part deserves credit for it, WWJ included.
Henry posted:I'd be happy as hell if he helped Zombo the Packers to another Superbowl but he's still a scrub. Thinking he's going to be a regular starter for years to come is goofy as fuck at this point.
Missing the point. He may not be a Pro Bowler, but in this offense he doesn't need to be.
All of them: Kumerow, Lazard, MVS, Allison, they're good, competent receivers who played their part in a well-oiled machine yesterday, a machine that's working. They don't need or deserve to be singled out and ragged on by know-it-alls predicting where they'll be next year.
Who cares about next year? This team is making its move now, and all of those guys -- including your whipping boy -- are a part of it. Get on board with it or shut up hey.
With all due respect, of course.
Pistol GB posted:Tightwalking the sideline after that grab for the TD. Yeah he sucks.
I've not seen anyone say "He sucks." Marginal talent/replaceable sure, but not he sucks (I'm leaning that way with Sheppard right now). Maybe he busts out in the next couple games, that would be incredible. Doubtful, but incredible. I'm still rooting for him.
I hope we can upgrade the position ASAP so we don't have to rely on a bunch of snaps from WWJ.
"Doesn't belong on the field"
"The less he's on the field the better"
"Undrafted for a reason"
"Ahhh.. Put me in the the UDFA's and Gmo suck camp then"
"Nice story but this and b.s. blah blah that"
"Out of the league next year"
"No receivers on the roster besides Adams that would start for any other team"
"A number one and a bunch of #4's"
âItâs never going to happenâ
"Cut him"
"Our receivers really do suck"
âHeâs Brett Swainâ (who sucked) âTruer words never spokenâ
âI have no problem with giving backups playing time but not when they prove they suckâ
"He's still a scrub" (2 posts above this one!)
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That's just the last few days! Take a look around. The entire BS narrative has been blathering like that for 3 weeks.
Don't even get me started on the "let's trade for AJ Browngreensanders" nonsense.
Then yesterday happens and what do we get? A whole doubling down of the same smelly crap. Embarrassing.
Anyway time to move on. The players need to keep it up I get it.
I don't know why I'm engaging but I will give it one shot. Any credible pundit will tell you the Packers weakness on offense is WR depth. Why does it make us debbie downers to agree with this nearly universal opinion in the football world?
Because you watched the game yesterday and here you are today sticking with what the evidence tells you is complete bullshit.
This doesn't happen with a bunch of scrubs. Perfect passer rating.
| Receiving | ||||||
| TAR | REC | YDS | AVG | TD | LG | |
| M. Valdes-Scantling | 3 | 2 | 133 | 66.5 | 1 | 74 |
| J. Graham | 4 | 4 | 65 | 16.2 | 1 | 29 |
| J. Kumerow | 2 | 2 | 54 | 27.0 | 1 | 37 |
| D. Vitale | 2 | 2 | 43 | 21.5 | 0 | 22 |
| A. Lazard | 4 | 3 | 42 | 14.0 | 0 | 26 |
| A. Jones | 4 | 4 | 33 | 8.2 | 1 | 21 |
| G. Allison | 5 | 4 | 33 | 8.2 | 0 | 15 |
| J. Williams | 5 | 4 | 26 | 6.5 | 1 | 9 |
I saw Kumerow run an uncontested route vs zone down the right sideline and #12 drop an absolute dime into his bread basket after moving the S with his eyes. He had one more catch on a comeback route.
Sorry, I saw nothing to make me change my mind. I watched the all-22 last week with a specific focus on WWJ to see if he was able to get separation, even when not targeted. He wasn't.
Seems like a great guy, but I see nothing different about him than any of the other WR's that have come and gone through the PS over the years. Hopefully I'm wrong, but odds are that I am not.
Do you realize they played the 31st ranked passing defense in the NFL yesterday? If thatâs youâre measuring stick, congratulations. Enjoy your mediocrity when we start playing competent defenses.
Pistol love of WWJ = Jonny Z love of short WR.
He might just like hairy men.
Enjoy your mediocrity when we start playing competent defenses.
That is gold, Jerry. Gold!
Please don't stop posting.
Pistol GB posted:This doesn't happen with a bunch of scrubs. Perfect passer rating.
Receiving TAR REC YDS AVG TD LG M. Valdes-Scantling 3 2 133 66.5 1 74 J. Graham 4 4 65 16.2 1 29 J. Kumerow 2 2 54 27.0 1 37 D. Vitale 2 2 43 21.5 0 22 A. Lazard 4 3 42 14.0 0 26 A. Jones 4 4 33 8.2 1 21 G. Allison 5 4 33 8.2 0 15 J. Williams 5 4 26 6.5 1 9
Notice anything about that list? 3 RBs with as many targets as any WR. I seriously have no clue why you use a stat sheet that shows how much Rodgers spread it around and how much Mayo schemed to the strength of the offense, particularly the run game. Mayo turned Vitale into a TE and Jones into a WR with the routes they ran.
Keep hoisting yourself on your own retard.
GBFanForLife posted:He might just like hairy men.
Romanian, Hungarian or New Jersian?
Pistol GB posted:Anyway time to move on. The players need to keep it up I get it.
Yeah, that'll happen.
BrainDed posted:I saw Kumerow run an uncontested route vs zone down the right sideline and #12 drop an absolute dime into his bread basket after moving the S with his eyes. He had one more catch on a comeback route.
Sorry, I saw nothing to make me change my mind. I watched the all-22 last week with a specific focus on WWJ to see if he was able to get separation, even when not targeted. He wasn't.
Seems like a great guy, but I see nothing different about him than any of the other WR's that have come and gone through the PS over the years. Hopefully I'm wrong, but odds are that I am not.
Should be interesting to see this weeks all 22 post. Couple Packer beat reporters said Lazard was able to get himself open on 3-4 other routes but the ball went elsewhere. Not sure if this was after his bad drop or not.
Cautiously optimistic GB might have a decent #3 in Lazard.
What was his rap coming out of the draft? Speed?
Henry posted:Pistol GB posted:This doesn't happen with a bunch of scrubs. Perfect passer rating.
Receiving TAR REC YDS AVG TD LG M. Valdes-Scantling 3 2 133 66.5 1 74 J. Graham 4 4 65 16.2 1 29 J. Kumerow 2 2 54 27.0 1 37 D. Vitale 2 2 43 21.5 0 22 A. Lazard 4 3 42 14.0 0 26 A. Jones 4 4 33 8.2 1 21 G. Allison 5 4 33 8.2 0 15 J. Williams 5 4 26 6.5 1 9 Notice anything about that list? 3 RBs with as many targets as any WR. I seriously have no clue why you use a stat sheet that shows how much Rodgers spread it around and how much Mayo schemed to the strength of the offense, particularly the run game. Mayo turned Vitale into a TE and Jones into a WR with the routes they ran.
Keep hoisting yourself on your own retard.
Oh that's right! You're the guy who posted in all seriousness that the offense did not have a complete game yesterday, because Davante Adams wasn't in the stat sheet!!
Pure brilliance, even for you. Did you really post that? I gotta go look.
Who's having a hard time moving on there, Snippy? You still all soresies?
6 and 1 and the bitch narrative just keeps on rolling.
It's beautiful!
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Fandame posted:+ So far, that MLF hiring looks pretty good.
- So far, the D can either be the savior or the goat.
Would you say GB has yet to put together a complete game, or have they?
Not without Adams on the field. The backfield is in full gear and signs of life from Graham. I think the D still has some work to do as well. It's kind of like a train slowly picking up steam. Just stay on the tracks.
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Fandame posted:+ So far, that MLF hiring looks pretty good.
- So far, the D can either be the savior or the goat.
Would you say GB has yet to put together a complete game, or have they?
Not without Adams on the field. The backfield is in full gear and signs of life from Graham. I think the D still has some work to do as well. It's kind of like a train slowly picking up steam. Just stay on the tracks.
I think if both the D and O put it together at the same time it will be a sight to behold.
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You are one dumb SOB. I seriously have zero clue how you see this as negative.
I'd call your blathering a narrative but there actually has to be something cohesive to be a narrative.
At this point you're simply a case study.
So, if we get the realistic wide receiver acquisitions, and they're on the field, but Davante Adams isn't, would that be a complete game by the offense?
Just trying to tie it together for you here. 481 yards of offense: How many of those would Davante have to have, before you would consider it a complete game by the offense?
Is it the offense that wasn't complete, or your narrative? You're riding it right off the rails here, buddy.
Quit, hide, take up heroin, go on vacation, anything but what you're doing. You're better than this.
After yesterday's game, I say let Adams take all the time he needs to get that toe heeled up. We did fine without him, in fact it may have forced Rodgers to get used to spreading it around when Adams does come back.
Adams doesn't even have a TD this year. Overrated?
Pistol GB posted:So, if we get the realistic wide receiver acquisitions, and they're on the field, but Davante Adams isn't, would that be a complete game by the offense?
Just trying to tie it together for you here. 481 yards of offense: How many of those would Davante have to have, before you would consider it a complete game by the offense?
Is it the offense that wasn't complete, or your narrative? You're riding it right off the rails here, buddy.
Quit, hide, take up heroin, go on vacation, anything but what you're doing. Youre better than this.
Vikings smurf for the save!
Lazardâs trip through the draft is pretty bizarre. Found the following with a quick search.
Teams werenât sure if a 6â5â 230lb guy was a WR or TE in the NFL. This seems to be the prevailing reason teams decided to pass on him. There is a little chatter teams worried if heâd be able to create separation on Sundays because at WR of his big frame.
Mayock had him rated as the 80th best prospect in the 2018 draft. I didnât know this. Even McShay and Helmet Head had him being drafted early on day 3. Doesnât look like anyone saw him as UDFA material other than NFL teams though.
He put down a 4.55 40 at the combine. Not blazing. But pretty respectable for 6â5â 230lb WR.
No character concerns. Produced in college. Consensus 4 star recruit out of HS.
Jax signed him as an UDFA and he never saw the field.
Obviously something spooked NFL teams but youâd think his 4.55 40 time would have satisfied enough teams to use a late round pick.
ChilliJon posted:Lazardâs trip through the draft is pretty bizarre. Found the following with a quick search.
Teams werenât sure if a 6â5â 230lb guy was a WR or TE in the NFL. This seems to be the prevailing reason teams decided to pass on him. There is a little chatter teams worried if heâd be able to create separation on Sundays because at WR of his big frame.
Mayock had him rated as the 80th best prospect in the 2018 draft. I didnât know this. Even McShay and Helmet Head had him being drafted early on day 3. Doesnât look like anyone saw him as UDFA material other than NFL teams though.
He put down a 4.55 40 at the combine. Not blazing. But pretty respectable for 6â5â 230lb WR.
No character concerns. Produced in college. Consensus 4 star recruit out of HS.
Jax signed him as an UDFA and he never saw the field.
Obviously something spooked NFL teams but youâd think his 4.55 40 time would have satisfied enough teams to use a late round pick.
Seems kind of weird that he was overlooked because he was too much of a tweener. I'd like to see how he matches up in the corner of the EZ. Maybe he can actually do what we were expecting Graham to do.
Frankie Baggadonuts posted:After yesterday's game, I say let Adams take all the time he needs to get that toe heeled up. We did fine without him, in fact it may have forced Rodgers to get used to spreading it around when Adams does come back.
Adams doesn't even have a TD this year. Overrated?
Good post on the first part, new guy. I don't think you're a Viking or a smurf.
Hang in there. It's a test. And all in good fun.
Frankie Baggadonuts posted:After yesterday's game, I say let Adams take all the time he needs to get that toe heeled up. We did fine without him, in fact it may have forced Rodgers to get used to spreading it around when Adams does come back.
Adams doesn't even have a TD this year. Overrated?
I donât agree Adams absence forced Rodgers to get used to spreading it around.
JMO. Yesterday was a culmination of Rodgers complete buy in to a diversified MLF offense designed to put players into space on time without having to resort to playground drills against a suspect secondary that was on skates all day trying to figure it out.
You could see Rodgers and yesterday coming together weeks ago even when the offense wasnât fully clicking. Rodgers has been completely on board with this offensive plan for months. Starting to come together.
I donât expect the O is going to look like this every week without Adams. But I do expect to see more âwhere the f**k has that been the last few years?â like wheel routes to uncovered FBs.
Pistol GB posted:Frankie Baggadonuts posted:After yesterday's game, I say let Adams take all the time he needs to get that toe heeled up. We did fine without him, in fact it may have forced Rodgers to get used to spreading it around when Adams does come back.
Adams doesn't even have a TD this year. Overrated?
Good post on the first part, new guy. I don't think you're a Viking or a smurf.
Hang in there. It's a test. And all in good fun.
ChilliJon posted:Frankie Baggadonuts posted:After yesterday's game, I say let Adams take all the time he needs to get that toe heeled up. We did fine without him, in fact it may have forced Rodgers to get used to spreading it around when Adams does come back.
Adams doesn't even have a TD this year. Overrated?
I donât agree Adams absence forced Rodgers to get used to spreading it around.
JMO. Yesterday was a culmination of Rodgers complete buy in to a diversified MLF offense designed to put players into space on time without having to resort to playground drills against a suspect secondary that was on skates all day trying to figure it out.
You could see Rodgers and yesterday coming together weeks ago even when the offense wasnât fully clicking. Rodgers has been completely on board with this offensive plan for months. Starting to come together.
I donât expect the O is going to look like this every week without Adams. But I do expect to see more âwhere the f**k has that been the last few years?â like wheel routes to uncovered FBs.
It's the kind of play calling that keeps DC's guessing even if that particular playset isn't loaded in the chamber. The playcalling was excellent but it's as much that Mayo will use EVERYTHING at his disposal. He'd probably have Opie do some drop kicks if that was the best match up.
ChilliJon posted:Lazardâs trip through the draft is pretty bizarre. Found the following with a quick search.
Teams werenât sure if a 6â5â 230lb guy was a WR or TE in the NFL. This seems to be the prevailing reason teams decided to pass on him. There is a little chatter teams worried if heâd be able to create separation on Sundays because at WR of his big frame.
Mayock had him rated as the 80th best prospect in the 2018 draft. I didnât know this. Even McShay and Helmet Head had him being drafted early on day 3. Doesnât look like anyone saw him as UDFA material other than NFL teams though.
He put down a 4.55 40 at the combine. Not blazing. But pretty respectable for 6â5â 230lb WR.
No character concerns. Produced in college. Consensus 4 star recruit out of HS.
Jax signed him as an UDFA and he never saw the field.
Obviously something spooked NFL teams but youâd think his 4.55 40 time would have satisfied enough teams to use a late round pick.
It is bizarre, but might be to the Packs benefit.
Charlie Campbell does a series on "why un-drafted". Kind of a hindsight on why a player like Lazard with good college production, good height and decent speed, etc...goes un-drafted.
Sounds like a ugly Senior Bowl practice at least partially attributed:
"Sources say there were a few reasons why Lazard was not selected. In speaking to one team, they had speed concerns with Lazard. They felt that the 6-foot-4, 227-pounder wasn't fast enough to transition to the NFL. Another team felt that dropped passes and not being a tough player is what caused them to have Lazard as an undrafted player. Lazard had one very ugly practice at the Senior Bowl with a lot of dropped passes to reinforce that concern. As a big possession receiver, being sure-handed is a basic trait to have."
Prove em' wrong Alan !!
I've changed my mind. WWJ is a cross between Don Beebe, Wayne Chrebet and Ray Berry.
Looks like has a bit of Lance Alworth too.
His mom got around
I can't believe there are folks here griping about how many passes our running backs get all of a sudden. Geez, under MM it was, "Why aren't they throwing more screens to the backs?" "What about using ___________ RB; he has good hands." "Where are the passes to the FB?" "I haven't seen a wheel route in years!" Now MLF does those things and it's "Our WRs are crap! Look at all the passes to RBs instead!"
I like what MLF has done by passing the ball around. WRs, RBs, TEs, etc., all see the ball. Everyone is involved and opposing DCs don't know who to key on. Evidence? 6-1 folks, 6-1.
I donât think MLF approaches any game with the intention of âspreading the ball aroundâ. I think thatâs missing the point of whatâs happening.
I think he focuses on weak spots in the defense and attacks those points with different players from multiple formations.
Sometimes he attacks the same spot with different players from the same formation.
Heâs making it tough to spot tendencies on film.
if I could point to one primary difference between MM and MLF its this. MM was all about play execution. MLF is all about the players. Hard to beat MM if he has great players. MLF is beating Mike if Mike doesnât.
I agree with you, CJ. It's just that folks complain about backs seeing too many passes, backs not seeing enough. Rodgers got a perfect passer rating and yet folks still gripe. I'd much rather have MLF's approach than MM's. Given great players, almost any coach looks good. Taking what you got -- good, bad, and in-between -- and maximizing it to attack the other team's weakness is what coaching is all about.
They played the 31st ranked pass D yesterday. KC isn't much better. But Adams might be overrated so I guess it balances out.
MLF has been given 3 backs that are useful in many ways and heâs making it hard to defend them. The wheel route to Jones against Detroit was a perfect example of MLF knowing heâd be open for 7. Jones just dropped it. Loved that he went back to it yesterday (from a different formation) and Jones made a tougher catch.
Very tough team to defend with MLF and Rodgers buying into 100% of it.
Fandame posted:Now MLF does those things and it's "Our WRs are crap! Look at all the passes to RBs instead!"
This is an excellent point except that no has connected the dots that way.
I like LaFleur's playcalling so far. I'd love the Packers to be able to run the screen like the way they did so often and effectively back under Holmgren. You knew it was coming and could do nothing about it to stop big yards.
Look around the NFL over the last several years... Saints, Patriots, Steelers, even Eagles and Seahawks- all heavily using check downs and getting RBs the ball in space.
In the Eagles game, the WRs were not geating open, and they got back in the game by dumping the ball off. Move the chains. Tom Brady has made a HOF career out of it. So has Brees.
This is what a lot of folks have been clamoring for- a system that has the opponentâs LBs and Ss running around like a Chinese fire drill while Rodgers picks them apart and never holds the ball more than 3 seconds. They zig, he zags. They zag he zigs. Throw a few downfield at the right time and you get 25-31, 5 TDs and a perfect passer rating. Theyâre finally proving what we thought all along- in that system, Rodgers would go Brady/Brees better than they do.
DH13 posted:They played the 31st ranked pass D yesterday. KC isn't much better. But Adams might be overrated so I guess it balances out.
KC is much better. 4th in Sacks. New test for MLF. I donât think KC is good in the secondary. But they are great up front. This is a trench game. If GB OL outplays KC DL GB wins.
Pistol GB posted:Frankie Baggadonuts posted:After yesterday's game, I say let Adams take all the time he needs to get that toe heeled up. We did fine without him, in fact it may have forced Rodgers to get used to spreading it around when Adams does come back.
Adams doesn't even have a TD this year. Overrated?
Good post on the first part, new guy. I don't think you're a Viking or a smurf.
Hang in there. It's a test. And all in good fun.
Adams was targeted 15 times in the only game we lost this year.
Maybe if some of these other wr's had more targets last year, they'd be more developed and ready THIS year.
111 catches last year for Adams. Next closest wr was MVS with only 38.
Frankie Baggadonuts posted:Maybe if some of these other wr's had more targets last year, they'd be more developed and ready THIS year.
111 catches last year for Adams. Next closest wr was MVS with only 38.
Fandame posted:I agree with you, CJ. It's just that folks complain about backs seeing too many passes, backs not seeing enough. Rodgers got a perfect passer rating and yet folks still gripe. I'd much rather have MLF's approach than MM's. Given great players, almost any coach looks good. Taking what you got -- good, bad, and in-between -- and maximizing it to attack the other team's weakness is what coaching is all about.
Would the internet exist if folks weren't complaining?
Jake Kumerow vs 1st Round CB ðģ
â Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) October 21, 2019
Anddddd traded. pic.twitter.com/5LYR3XLClb
ammo posted:Pistol love of WWJ = Jonny Z love of short WR.
Good speed for his size. Good routes. Good hands. No mental mistakes. Yes.
I'm supposed to apologize because he's a hometown boy? No.
"Only targeted twice." True and he caught them both. And took one to the house. So he catches them when it's his turn in the system, and the system is working.
"But it was the 31st ranked defense." True and we dropped 42 on them.
"But he was wide open." Exactly. Look at the route in Packerboi's post. Sick.
Consistency is the only attribute anyone should care about.
WWJebus had one bad game and one very good game. Let's hope he can keep stacking those good games.
We have an uncanny ability of elevating the talents of marginal players in our minds. Samkon Gado should still be our RB, Ryan should be in the linebacker HOF, and Kumerow will make people forget about us missing out on Jerry Rice any day now. Yeah, he looked âgoodâ against one of the worst pass defenses in the NFL. He also has seven catches on the year! The search is over! We got him!
Wait, I thought I was enjoying mediocrity. Where are we here?
Yes, the clamoring for Gado and Ryan is deafening. 
WTF dude, think before you type. Neither of those names has been mentioned in years.
Your inability to comprehend a simple point is astounding. TD WWJ points out how many fanatics, like yourself, loved the Gado's and Ryan's of past years and you somehow interpret that as him saying fans still believe in them?
Astounding.
TouchdownWhitewaterJesus posted:We have an uncanny ability of elevating the talents of marginal players in our minds. Samkon Gado should still be our RB, Ryan should be in the linebacker HOF, and Kumerow will make people forget about us missing out on Jerry Rice any day now. Yeah, he looked âgoodâ against one of the worst pass defenses in the NFL. He also has seven catches on the year! The search is over! We got him!
Well I can read.
...but not read between the lines. He is making a point by over emphasizing the opinion you fucking nimrod.
Pistol GB was thrilled with Gado as it allowed us to draft Terrence Murphy instead of Frank Gore. Whew! Lucky!
BrainDed posted:TD WWJ points out how many fanatics, like yourself, loved the Gado's and Ryan's of past years
I never liked either one of them and no one went crazy for either one that I remember.
But you are the superior anti-homer and Kumerow sucks. Got it.
Fandame posted:I can't believe there are folks here griping about how many passes our running backs get all of a sudden. Geez, under MM it was, "Why aren't they throwing more screens to the backs?" "What about using ___________ RB; he has good hands." "Where are the passes to the FB?" "I haven't seen a wheel route in years!" Now MLF does those things and it's "Our WRs are crap! Look at all the passes to RBs instead!"
I like what MLF has done by passing the ball around. WRs, RBs, TEs, etc., all see the ball. Everyone is involved and opposing DCs don't know who to key on. Evidence? 6-1 folks, 6-1.
Whoâs griping? It was a thing of beauty.
Pistol GB posted:Missing the point. He may not be a Pro Bowler, but in this offense he doesn't need to be.
All of them: Kumerow, Lazard, MVS, Allison, they're good, competent receivers who played their part in a well-oiled machine yesterday, a machine that's working.
And here's this nimrod's rabid-assed fanaticism on display that drew that gem of a post by TDWWJ.
Astounding indeed. Off and running today.
Kumerow will make plays. Totally in corner.
That's a hell of a Squirrel route. Can see why Rodgers likes Kumerow.
Conley is a disappointment....but not Josh Jackson level disappointment.
No shit. Jackson was getting beat in scrub time against Oakland.
Think I heard he only got 5 snaps...gave up 2 completions , one was a TD. Toast
Adams. MVS. Allison. Lazard. Grant. That's your 5.
Does Kumerow offer anything on ST? That might keep him from on the 53. Packers likely will activate Smith from the PS for return duties as Shepherd isn't ready.
Bold statement. We'll see.
TouchdownWhitewaterJesus posted:We have an uncanny ability of elevating the talents of marginal players in our minds. Samkon Gado should still be our RB, Ryan should be in the linebacker HOF, and Kumerow will make people forget about us missing out on Jerry Rice any day now. Yeah, he looked âgoodâ against one of the worst pass defenses in the NFL. He also has seven catches on the year! The search is over! We got him!
BTW New Guy: This thread will likely be archived and memories are relatively long around here, so you should put your position on Kumerow in writing now (otherwise you just look like a pussy and a troll).
You're ripping Kumerow homers pretty hard here, so no getting wishy-washy on it either. About a year from now, I reckon one of us will have some crow to eat. Fair enough, right? Right.
As a pretty funny poster (who's name escapes me) used to say, with glorious bravado, "Mark it down!"
Here's some ideas for you if you're coming up short. (It's updated, copied and pasted from page 2.)
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"The less he's on the field the better"
"Undrafted for a reason"
"Ahhh.. Put me in the the UDFA's and Gmo suck camp then"
"Nice story but this and b.s. blah blah that"
"Out of the league next year"
"No receivers on the roster besides Adams that would start for any other team"
"A number one and a bunch of #4's"
âItâs never going to happenâ
"Cut him"
"Our receivers really do suck"
âHeâs Brett Swainâ (who sucked) âTruer words never spokenâ
âI have no problem with giving backups playing time but not when they prove they suckâ (re Kumerow)
"He's still a scrub" (page 2)
"Can he play special teams? That might keep him on the 53"
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Also linking this thread here. Pretty epic battle scene that will make for some good reading some day, IMO.
CAUTION GRAPHIC, LOL :
Those quotes. You must have an incredible amount of time on your hands.
Give it up, he has now been given a chance and by not trading for a WR a vote of confidence by the team.
The ball is in his court. I hope he succeeds.
ChilliJon posted:FUCK Geronimo Allison
Good place for this one too.
I listened to former GM Michael Lombardi this am talk about the Packers WR's and he said, by far, WR is the hardest position to scout in the NFL. College teams play almost exclusively man coverage and you have no idea how these WR's will transition to zone, how they will block or how they will run complex NFL routes.
If scouts could go back in time, Geranimo Allision gets drafted, as does Alan Lazard, and MVS is probably a day one pick. The point being, aside from an obvious Julio Jones/Randy Moss type coming out of the draft, you just don't know as a scout.
DH13 posted:Those quotes. You must have an incredible amount of time on your hands.
Not really.
They're mostly by memory so if they're not correct, "Mark it down!"
Who was that guy? It was a good shtick.
I didn't think he'd ever catch a pass in a meaningful game so he's already exceeded the expectations I had for him. Thought he did some good things Sunday (he's still a marginal player).
All he does.....CATCH TOUCHDOWNS!!
packerboi posted:I listened to former GM Michael Lombardi this am talk about the Packers WR's and he said, by far, WR is the hardest position to scout in the NFL. College teams play almost exclusively man coverage and you have no idea how these WR's will transition to zone, how they will block or how they will run complex NFL routes.
If scouts could go back in time, Geranimo Allision gets drafted, as does Alan Lazard, and MVS is probably a day one pick. The point being, aside from an obvious Julio Jones/Randy Moss type coming out of the draft, you just don't know as a scout.
1st round or what used to consist of a day one pick? No fucking way heâs a 1st rounder.
I think he meant what used to be "day 1" (1st-3rd rounder). I could see him being a 4th rounder too. YMMV
Do you have #WhitewaterJesus or #TouchdownJesus fever that just won't break? For the price of $40 (and $8 shipping & handling), you can own a new @UWWhitewater @WarhawkFootball Jake Kumerow bobblehead produced by FOCO. pic.twitter.com/P46mGDPmTn
â Ryan Rodig (@ryanrodigwfrv) October 24, 2019
Pistol GB posted:Wait, I thought I was enjoying mediocrity. Where are we here?
Yes, the clamoring for Gado and Ryan is deafening.
WTF dude, think before you type. Neither of those names has been mentioned in years.
If I get a new cat, I just might name it Samkon! I'll post pics of Samkon on X4, too!
michiganjoe posted:Do you have #WhitewaterJesus or #TouchdownJesus fever that just won't break? For the price of $40 (and $8 shipping & handling), you can own a new @UWWhitewater @WarhawkFootball Jake Kumerow bobblehead produced by FOCO. pic.twitter.com/P46mGDPmTn
â Ryan Rodig (@ryanrodigwfrv) October 24, 2019
Blair, now you know what to tell your wife you want for Christmas!
Pistol GB posted:TouchdownWhitewaterJesus posted:We have an uncanny ability of elevating the talents of marginal players in our minds. Samkon Gado should still be our RB, Ryan should be in the linebacker HOF, and Kumerow will make people forget about us missing out on Jerry Rice any day now. Yeah, he looked âgoodâ against one of the worst pass defenses in the NFL. He also has seven catches on the year! The search is over! We got him!
BTW New Guy: This thread will likely be archived and memories are relatively long around here, so you should put your position on Kumerow in writing now (otherwise you just look like a pussy and a troll).
You're ripping Kumerow homers pretty hard here, so no getting wishy-washy on it either. About a year from now, I reckon one of us will have some crow to eat. Fair enough, right? Right.
As a pretty funny poster (who's name escapes me) used to say, with glorious bravado, "Mark it down!"
Here's some ideas for you if you're coming up short. (It's updated, copied and pasted from page 2.)
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"The less he's on the field the better"
"Undrafted for a reason"
"Ahhh.. Put me in the the UDFA's and Gmo suck camp then"
"Nice story but this and b.s. blah blah that"
"Out of the league next year"
"No receivers on the roster besides Adams that would start for any other team"
"A number one and a bunch of #4's"
âItâs never going to happenâ
"Cut him"
"Our receivers really do suck"
âHeâs Brett Swainâ (who sucked) âTruer words never spokenâ
âI have no problem with giving backups playing time but not when they prove they suckâ (re Kumerow)
"He's still a scrub" (page 2)
"Can he play special teams? That might keep him on the 53"
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Ahhh. I see. I missed this. My name is obviously a goof on Notre Dameâs. âTouchdown Jesusâ. I donât think Kumerow is even an average receiver, and weâve probably seen the best he has to offer. Janis Lite. Heâll be a special teams afterthought the second DA comes back.
No way Janis could run a route like Kumerow's against the Raiders (the reception that did not go for a TD).
Samkon Gato the cat. Clever. I will like this post.
Pistol GB posted:
Weâre all waiting for you to squeal about Furry Janis not getting playing time when Adams is back.
phaedrus posted:No way Janis could run a route like Kumerow's against the Raiders (the reception that did not go for a TD).
Lulz. Now the idiots are roasting their former hero for their new one.
Sort of Whoish, meet the new, white, training camp whiz, fan favorite, same as the old new, white, training camp whiz, fan favorite.
Has a nice ring to it.
Henry posted:Pistol GB posted:Weâre all waiting for you to squeal about Furry Janis not getting playing time when Adams is back.
You've got a lot of waiting going on.
Don't forget you're also still waiting for the offense to have a complete game, which according to you didn't happen on Sunday because Adams wasn't in the game. (!)
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And you're also waiting and praying for them there "realistic wide receiver acquisitions" to come rolling in, since according to you his backups are scrubs who have done nothing but "prove they suck." At least that one will be a short wait. Deadline is Tuesday on that one.
Maybe another sternly worded letter? Better hurry. Gute needs to know how bad he is at his job ASAP, Mister!
BTW, your "Furry Janis" nickname doesn't seem to be gaining much momentum. Maybe because the QB hated Janis and likes Kumerow? Or maybe because it's like most of your diatribe these days and is just senseless garbage and makes no sense whatsoever.
Good luck with all the waiting, Chickenhank! The world is still safe from Homers thanks to you.
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Pistol GB posted:Henry posted:Pistol GB posted:Weâre all waiting for you to squeal about Furry Janis not getting playing time when Adams is back.
You've got a lot of waiting going on.
Don't forget you're also still waiting for the offense to have a complete game, which according to you didn't happen on Sunday because Adams wasn't in the game. (!)
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And you're also waiting and praying for them there "realistic wide receiver acquisitions" to come rolling in, since according to you his backups are scrubs who have done nothing but "prove they suck." At least that one will be a short wait. Deadline is Tuesday on that one.
Maybe another sternly worded letter? Better hurry. Gute needs to know how bad he is at his job ASAP, Mister!
BTW, your "Furry Janis" nickname doesn't seem to be gaining much momentum. Maybe because the QB hated Janis and likes Kumerow? Or maybe because it's like most of your diatribe these days and is just senseless garbage and makes no sense whatsoever.
Good luck with all the waiting, Chickenhank! The world is still safe from Homers thanks to you.
I guess at some point I should take off the gloves but I wanted you to think you were doing well.
Don't worry, I'll get to it, I'm just not that motivated knowing you won't get most of it.
You could always go ask your not smurf buddies.
Chickenhank posted:Pistol GB posted:Weâre all waiting for you to squeal about Furry Janis not getting playing time when Adams is back.
BTW Way off. Team sport and Packer fan first.
Henry posted:I guess at some point I should take off the gloves but I wanted you to think you were doing well.
Don't worry, I'll get to it, I'm just not that motivated knowing you won't get most of it.
You could always go ask your not smurf buddies.
I'll stipulate to not getting most of it.
Pistol GB posted:Chickenhank posted:Pistol GB posted:Weâre all waiting for you to squeal about Furry Janis not getting playing time when Adams is back.
BTW Way off. Team sport and Packer fan first.
Current hissy says otherwise.
I'll be back pee wee.
History is your best teacher, Dumas. No one complained about playing time when Adams was in there.
Hissy, huh? You drink up the courage to pick a fight with someone that actually jabs back, and that person is the hissy. Awesome.
Okay Bipolar boy. Can't wait.
Keep on hissying. Like I said, I just wanted to make you feel like you were doing well.
Henry posted:Pistol GB posted:
Weâre all waiting for you to squeal about Furry Janis not getting playing time when Adams is back.
The only thing that is going to keep him active on game day is that they might be ditching Sheppard on kick returns. To start the year and up until Adams went out, either Sheppard or Kumerow were always inactive. If everyone is healthy, they would have activated Sheppard over Kumerow as he was the returner.
Now that Sheppard might not have a role on Teams, it may be Kumerow over Sheppard.
It will be as far as I'm concerned.
We're getting more mileage from this thread than the "Go For 2" one. 
Well it has kind of become "go for 2". If you know what I mean.
Sorry but it's like.
The guy misses on a back shoulder in his first career NFL start.
The crowd reacts...
You go to defend the guy and it's:
The crowd reacts...
Meanwhile, on the opposite side of Walmart, an actual tantrum erupts when the Packers don't make a desperation trade for Emmanuel Sanders:
The crowd reacts...
(All in good fun of course.)
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Good recap.
Thank you.
I was on the other side of the fence until you posted the 72nd picture in an attempt to support your position. Nothing persuades folks more then a good meme.
Ah, now I'm ready. Big bowl of tonkatsu curry ramen in my belly. Let's commence shall we?
First off, we'd all like to congratulate Pistol on finally figuring out meme templates and gifs. Welcome to 2004.
Where to start. Let's go with the "complete game" comments that only a dullard wouldn't understand. Davante Adams is an exceptional WR, top 10 receiver in the league. Now the game against Oakland was a masterpiece for Rodgers and Mayo's playcalling. What could possibly be added to that incredible game? Say the talent of one of the best WR in the game? I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not but I'm leaning towards good, really good. So a comment about not having a complete game without Adams is actually a good thing. I truly can't believe I have to explain this.
Next, looking for reasonable options at WR to help compliment a young, unproven WR corp. Again, I can't believe I actually have to explain this but apparently this is the road we're on. Considering the state of this country I guess I really shouldn't be shocked. Thanks Pistol for being the Betsy DeVos failure of education candidate of the year. Anyways, while the collection of young guys (or 5th year practice squad champions) may have some potential they aren't there yet. The Packers really should be thinking about a Superbowl trip considering where they are sitting. What would make a good investment to not only help guys develop but give a reliable presence on the field opposite Ankles Adams? Oh, maybe an experienced WR that could provide a threat defenses would have to respect. Maybe like a Andre Rison? Maybe?
Let's take this a little more in depth. Remember how Lazard looked again the Lions? He looked fluid, he looked like he belonged there. Do you know what we discovered after the game? He was telling Rodgers what routes he could run. Pretty crazy right? That means the potential is definitely there but come playoff time that's probably not going to work very well. See what I mean by inexperienced? Don't you think having another WR vet would give those guys more comfort and more utility in the offense when they don't have to rely on a handful of routes they do know? Kind of like how Mayo took off some of the heat on an injured MVS, a spotty GMO and inexperienced Lazard. Can you call Furry Janis inexperienced? I don't know but nice pitch and catch. I hope he gets those match ups for the rest of the season. Something tells me that might not happen come playoff time. Let's not Gunter it with WR corp this year.
Now onto the personal stuff. Tedious I know but I really must insist you quit trying to imitate me as you simply aren't smart, pithy or tactful enough. You have the delivery of a . . . I honestly don't know. I'm actually embarrassed for you and I'm never embarrassed for other people let alone a schlep like you. Normally I enjoy a good self implosion but the shame by proxy gave me the runs.
Let's move onto your beyond tiresome "drinking" statements. If I was an ex-hardcore drinker don't you think I could spot another "I can't do it but liquor man can!" fool? Yeah, I'm talking about you Pistol. I personally don't know what gets San Fran ambulance chaser's rocks off but it's pretty easy to see the rocks are gettin' off. So you might want to think twice about flapping your "I need a approval" hole next time. Bottoms up or hold the line, whatever the fuck your deal is.
Again, welcome to 2004 you fucking slowcoach.
I'll be here all night for rebuttals as I fire up another round of Borderlands 3.
I'm devoting this clip to Pistol. Hopefully he can look to Completely Sane Sid as a life coach.
"Imitate"!! I can definitely promise not to do that. (The gloves came off after you joined in '02 was all I meant in the other thread.)
Bully all the weaklings you want. Come after me I'm coming back in kind is all. Keep trying if that's what gets you off. I'm right here.
Nothing else much to rebut in there that wouldn't be repetitive.
Personally? You got my stuff all wrong. Personally? Didn't mean much by the "drinking courage" comment other than I think your impulse to "take jabs" (your words) in this instance led you up a narrative even you don't really believe, and you certainly don't want to get stuck with. Kumerow, Allison, Lazard et. al. "suck" and we're screwed with Adams down? You don't believe that. You really want to hope they fail to save face? No. You want them to win just like I do.
You're backing off it already. Fine by me just own it.
How many wide receivers total in the NFL? Out of how many from college across the whole country? These are talented freaking individuals. I don't give a shit about myself. Insult people I admire, yeah, that gets me going. Excuse the fuck out of me.
Welcome back, by the way.
Pistol GB posted:Kumerow, Allison, Lazard et. al. "suck" and we're screwed with Adams down? You don't believe that.
Go find those posts. Stating a player isn't ready for prime time or shouldn't be counted on as a full time starter isn't a big leap. You twisted yourself into a pretzel to say #GBrefs was a slight against Janerow. That's why you're a fucking homer. You're so all over the place the actual discussion was like trying to herd cats. Again, congratulations on the meme templates.
Henry posted:Ah, now I'm ready. Big bowl of tonkatsu curry ramen in my belly. Let's commence shall we?
First off, we'd all like to congratulate Pistol on finally figuring out meme templates and gifs. Welcome to 2004.
Where to start. Let's go with the "complete game" comments that only a dullard wouldn't understand. Davante Adams is an exceptional WR, top 10 receiver in the league. Now the game against Oakland was a masterpiece for Rodgers and Mayo's playcalling. What could possibly be added to that incredible game? Say the talent of one of the best WR in the game? I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not but I'm leaning towards good, really good. So a comment about not having a complete game without Adams is actually a good thing. I truly can't believe I have to explain this.
Next, looking for reasonable options at WR to help compliment a young, unproven WR corp. Again, I can't believe I actually have to explain this but apparently this is the road we're on. Considering the state of this country I guess I really shouldn't be shocked. Thanks Pistol for being the Betsy DeVos failure of education candidate of the year. Anyways, while the collection of young guys (or 5th year practice squad champions) may have some potential they aren't there yet. The Packers really should be thinking about a Superbowl trip considering where they are sitting. What would make a good investment to not only help guys develop but give a reliable presence on the field opposite Ankles Adams? Oh, maybe an experienced WR that could provide a threat defenses would have to respect. Maybe like a Andre Rison? Maybe?
Let's take this a little more in depth. Remember how Lazard looked again the Lions? He looked fluid, he looked like he belonged there. Do you know what we discovered after the game? He was telling Rodgers what routes he could run. Pretty crazy right? That means the potential is definitely there but come playoff time that's probably not going to work very well. See what I mean by inexperienced? Don't you think having another WR vet would give those guys more comfort and more utility in the offense when they don't have to rely on a handful of routes they do know? Kind of like how Mayo took off some of the heat on an injured MVS, a spotty GMO and inexperienced Lazard. Can you call Furry Janis inexperienced? I don't know but nice pitch and catch. I hope he gets those match ups for the rest of the season. Something tells me that might not happen come playoff time. Let's not Gunter it with WR corp this year.
Now onto the personal stuff. Tedious I know but I really must insist you quit trying to imitate me as you simply aren't smart, pithy or tactful enough. You have the delivery of a . . . I honestly don't know. I'm actually embarrassed for you and I'm never embarrassed for other people let alone a schlep like you. Normally I enjoy a good self implosion but the shame by proxy gave me the runs.Let's move onto your beyond tiresome "drinking" statements. If I was an ex-hardcore drinker don't you think I could spot another "I can't do it but liquor man can!" fool? Yeah, I'm talking about you Pistol. I personally don't know what gets San Fran ambulance chaser's rocks off but it's pretty easy to see the rocks are gettin' off. So you might want to think twice about flapping your "I need a approval" hole next time. Bottoms up or hold the line, whatever the fuck your deal is.
Again, welcome to 2004 you fucking slowcoach.
Oh, the irony after that post. 
I had to say something.
Sincerest form of flattery
a) the Packers need Adams back.
b) they will not go stale when he returns.
c) MVS, Lazard, & Allison are a decent 2, 3, & 4, especially with the RB receiving threats of Jones, Williams... and Vitale. FB vertical is a sick route.
d) being All-Oneida is a nice late summer story, but that's all it is. Like many, I hoped, but it's not to be. #ceiling