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Mindless cliches.

"Easy pitch and catch," say what? You mean he got open. Isn't that what you want him to do? 

So if he's covered and makes the catch, that makes him better.  Sound logic.

”Ceiling,” what does that even mean? Touchdowns? Uh yes, that IS the ceiling alright, and he went there. I'll take that ceiling and yeah, that qualifies as "special" to most people.

Not even halfway and you're past tense on Kumerow. Alrighty then. Out of football next year. Good luck with that.

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Hungry5 posted:

He's the same player since coming out of college. 0 improvement in his game.

Yes, I do expect him to get open and fight for contested balls. Work ethic and effort is great in practice, just not seeing it consistently on the field. 

Rodgers was on fire... How come Kumerow only had 2 targets yesterday?

I have seen virtually every game Kumerow played at Whitewater. Given the opportunity, he will make plays.  Like he did yesterday. What games did you see him play at Whitewater? Zero improvement? You can’t be serious. 

Pistol GB posted:

Mindless cliches.

"Easy pitch and catch," say what? You mean he got open. Isn't that what you want him to do? 

So if he's covered and makes the catch, that makes him better.  Sound logic.

”Ceiling,” what does that even mean? Touchdowns? Uh yes, that IS the ceiling alright, and he went there. I'll take that ceiling and yeah, that qualifies as "special" to most people.

Not even halfway and you're past tense on Kumerow. Alrighty then. Out of football next year. Good luck with that.

My guess is that he will not be out of football next year but he will revert to his previous level, someone's camp star and a spot on someone's practice squad.   Maybe Green Bays.

And that's OK.

Production does not equal talent. Jarrett Boykin caught 50 passes for 700 yards in 8 games and then barely lasted 1 more season in the NFL. Maybe Kumerow adds some value, but in the end he's not a starting caliber WR and no amount of targets or reps are going to make that true. Just like Jarrett Boykin though, if he's starting for you then you have a depth problem. I know people want him to be the next Jordy Nelson because he went to school in WI, the work ethic is there, the h/w/s is there, but he's in year 5 of his career and hasn't put it together. I'm sure Rodgers will get him the ball more and he will end the season with respectable production for a #4 WR, which should be fine. He's not the future at WR though and he's not irreplaceable. 

R MaN posted:
Hungry5 posted:

He's the same player since coming out of college. 0 improvement in his game.

Yes, I do expect him to get open and fight for contested balls. Work ethic and effort is great in practice, just not seeing it consistently on the field. 

Rodgers was on fire... How come Kumerow only had 2 targets yesterday?

I have seen virtually every game Kumerow played at Whitewater. Given the opportunity, he will make plays.  Like he did yesterday. What games did you see him play at Whitewater? Zero improvement? You can’t be serious. 

Oh my, Whitewater.  How has he improved in the NFL after 3 different teams and multiple years on practice squads?  I was looking forward to seeing what he could do as well.  After seeing him get manhandled off the line I knew it was another Janis situation.  He doesn’t have the technique to shake a DB if he has to and guess what, he has to. 

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R MaN posted:I have seen virtually every game Kumerow played at Whitewater.  

When you are in elementary school, no one cares where you went to pre-school.

When you are in middle school, no one cares where you went to elementary school.

When you are in high school, no one cares where you went to middle school.

When you are in college, no one cares where you went to high school.

When you are in the pros/have a job, no one cares where you went to college.



Rodgers liked what he saw in practices, it's just not translating to the games. Why is Lazard getting more reps/opportunities? It's because he is better and is improving. Yes, we've seen Kumerow's ceiling.

phaedrus posted:

Instead of denigrating the guy, why not just hold off and see what he does while he is getting the opportunity?

The thing is, his window of opportunity is closing. I think Lazard has already passed him on the dept chart. Lazard had 17 snaps vs Det and 51 yesterday. Kumerow had 65 snaps vs Det and 43 yesterday. That's probably the start of a trend. 

Adams is coming back in the next 1 or 2 games. That's going to take a LOT of snaps away from someone. My bet is on Kumerow losing more snaps than Lazard. *IF* the Packers make a move for a vet WR then you are going to see Kumerow's snaps drop down to less than 10 a game. Next year they have ESB back. They probably draft another WR. Only so many spots to go around. 

Long term outlook isn't great for Kumerow. He needed to really make a splash with Adams out and he just didn't do it. 3 games, 156 snaps, 7 targets, 5 catches, 80 yards and a TD. 

That's funny.  Because that was the opposite of what I saw yesterday.  JK's TD he caught in his arms up against his chest.  He didn't have to leave his feet on that catch either.  He did his little bunny hop so he could bread basket that ball.  It was odd.  If he stayed on his feet and plucked the ball out of the air he likely doesn't have to tightrope the sideline.

I think he just ran his pattern a little tight to the sideline. Rodgers fit it in there, and to JK's credit, he managed to stay inbounds long enough to squeak the ball inside the pylon. He runs that pattern even a foot more to the inside and it's an easier TD as he runs away from the DB.