Who else had good drafts?

HerschelMember

Looking at what teams came away with I htink there were some other good hauls.

Saint Louis: Austin and Bailey are a nice set of receivers. If Ogletree keeps his head on straight he should also be a good addition. Barrett Jones will be a nice piece somewhere on the interior, probably at Guard this seasonk, eventually replacing Wells in the middle. Brandon McGee and Zac Stacy should also be contributors.

Baltimore: go ahead, raid the Super Bowl Champions of their free agents. Ozzie Newsome ended up with three-for-one front-seven players in Free Agency (thanks, Donks!). Matt Elam, Arthur Brown and Brandon Williams will likely be on teh field right away. They didn't need a starting rush 'backer but they took a developmental guy to add to the rotation to help make sure they're never short of pass rushers.

Tennessee: Warmack and Schwenke should help immediately make them a better line and offense. I like Justin Hunter mnore than Cordarelle Patterson and Blidi Wreh-Wilson should be a starter soon.

Cincinnati: For a Marvin Lewis team, that offense is starting to look loaded. If Giovanni Bernard supplants the utterly pedestrian BenJarvis Green-Ellis as the lead back they could near the top tier of NFL offenses. They can run double TE sets or spread defenses out at will. Margus Hunt and Shawn Williams should also make an impact on defense, though Hunt probably as a specialist early on.

San Francisco: Man, what a haul! Reid, Lattimore, Carradine, McDonald, Lemonier, Patterson. That's a regualr draft worth of potential studs, without even adding in their other developmental guys. If Lattimore needs to start the year on PUP it's no skin of their backs.

NY Giants: Pugh, Hankins and DeMontre Moore should all be playing early, and Ryan Nassib is a good QB to either groom as Eli's heir or to try and groom in to a high pick in return for 2015 or '16.

4/29/138:53 AM

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J-BarnMember

Giants are getting killed in a lot of places. I understand a bit. I think the Nassib pick is nice for the reasons above, but Giants fans hate using a pick on a guy they are hoping will never play. Everyone needs a good back up someday. The trade value down the line should be nice, if they can develop him. Not sure if the staff in NY is good at developing QBs yet. Eli is in a holding pattern. His team wins Super Bowls, but he is not generally a guy you assume will below in the Pro Bowl talk. Never an MVP candidate. Giants drafted to their strengths. They picked up a bunch of nice DL. Pass rush was the one thing their defense did really well last year. Giants did not address many of their problems.

4/29/139:30 AM

PackmeisterMember

I would grudgingly have to add Minnesota to the list.

4/29/1310:08 AM

HenryYou rang?

Not after that Patterson trade.

4/29/1310:13 AM

ChilliJonI hate the Vikings!

Floyd and Rhodes could be really good. Trading 4 picks to move up for Patterson when your QB is Ponder has to be considered risky at best.

I completely dont understand taking a Punter when you only have a total of 7 picks after trading those picks.

But, I'm so glad they drafted a punter because the highlight reel the NFL network rolled was the funniest thing of draft weekend!

Watch this.

4/29/1310:32 AM

HerschelMember

Not only that but they already have a good, albeit expensive, punter. The Vikings were in position to potentially have a great draft then suddenly reverted to stupidity. I'm not complaining, but for a team with no depth and needing a couple more starters they really shot themselves in the foot.

4/29/1310:41 AM

BrakMember

I liked what Houston did:

Round 1: DeAndre Hopkins, WR, Clemson
Round 2: D.J. Swearinger, SS, South Carolina
Round 3: Brennan Williams, OT, North Carolina
Round 3: Sam Montgomery, DE, Louisiana State
Round 4: Trevardo Williams, DE, Connecticut
Round 6: David Quessenberry, OT, San Jose State
Round 6: Alan Bonner, WR, Jacksonville State
Round 6: Chris Jones, DT, Bowling Green
Round 6: Ryan Griffin, TE, Connecticut

Of course I'm a little biased.

Interesting to note that Swearinger and Montgomery were (my) area high school teammates (Greenwood High School, Greenwood, SC). Not sure if any other HS teammates have ever been drafted by the same team in the same year, but the odds have to be huge.

4/29/1310:41 AM

Grave DiggerMember

I kept hearing all of these Connecticut players get drafted and it seems like that happens every year. How is UConn not a lot better than they have been?

4/29/1310:46 AM

chickenboyTic Toc

Bob Mc Ginn had a pretty good draft for the 3rd straight year...

I know some don't care for him since he sometimes says things we don't want to hear but the guy just may be the best in the business.

4/29/1310:52 AM

TdogProspective Member

bob came into the draft fat and grumpy - needs to show more commitment to his craft and attitude. he will have a hard time making the practice squad.

4/29/1311:00 AM

FreeSafetyI wonder what the poor people are doing?

quote:
Among the more widely known draft prognosticators, Mike Mayock of NFL.com tied for 12th, Gil Brandt of NFL.com tied for 30th and ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr. tied for 48th.

4/29/1311:10 AM

Chickenboy of Rubechat"I’m a highly successful business owner with a smokeshow wife. "

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Originally posted by Herschel:
Not only that but they already have a good, albeit expensive, punter. The Vikings were in position to potentially have a great draft then suddenly reverted to stupidity. I'm not complaining, but for a team with no depth and needing a couple more starters they really shot themselves in the foot.

Take a look at Kluwe's numbers and he wasn't as good as people are making him out to be. As a matter of fact, he was outright horrible in the first half of the season and spent for time in the media talking about his own personal agendas than he did working on his craft. When your position coach is calling you out in the media, you might to reprioritize.

They drafted a punter that I'd better than Kluwe and will save money in the process. Blair Walsh was a head scratcher last year and that turned out pretty well.

4/29/1311:21 AM

ChilliJonI hate the Vikings!

4/29/1311:23 AM

titmfatiedNo Code

quote:
Bob McGinn's top 100 NFL draft board No. 1 for third straight year
jsonline.com

McGinn correctly picked 87 players chosen in the top 100 of the NFL draft. That number was the best among 65 submissions in the annual scoring of draft boards by The Huddle Report, which tracks draft analysis. Among the more widely known draft prognosticators, Mike Mayock of NFL.com tied for 12th, Gil Brandt of NFL.com tied for 30th and ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr. tied for 48th.

McGinn's five-year average in the competition also ranks first.

4/29/1311:28 AM

PackyMember

4/29/1311:35 AM

HerschelMember

quote:
Originally posted by Jaymo:
quote:
Originally posted by Herschel:
Not only that but they already have a good, albeit expensive, punter. The Vikings were in position to potentially have a great draft then suddenly reverted to stupidity. I'm not complaining, but for a team with no depth and needing a couple more starters they really shot themselves in the foot.

Take a look at Kluwe's numbers and he wasn't as good as people are making him out to be. As a matter of fact, he was outright horrible in the first half of the season and spent for time in the media talking about his own personal agendas than he did working on his craft. When your position coach is calling you out in the media, you might to reprioritize.

They drafted a punter that I'd better than Kluwe and will save money in the process. Blair Walsh was a head scratcher last year and that turned out pretty well.

If I can decipher what passes for English in your vocabulary Walsh was not a head-scratcher, he had/has a big-time leg.

Aside from that it was the Vikings pissing away another pick. If they wanted to bring in competition, get an UDFA or maybe a 7. Kluwe's numbers weren't bad, but they were pretty average early on. Then again, it didn't help he was kicking with a short zone out of his own end zone a lot either or trying to play pindown when the Vikings offense stalled time and again.

4/29/1311:41 AM

Chickenboy of Rubechat"I’m a highly successful business owner with a smokeshow wife. "

Lol.... You crack me up. Oh noooo.... Did my phone accidentally misspell a couple of words ? The horror!

Kluwe wasn't good. Spin it anyway you want. Pin down, short zone, blah, blah... He's still gotta kick the ball.

I'm willing to bet the best punter in college football, and a huge kickoff leg isn't going to be an udfa. They wanted him, they got him.

Check out Walsh's senior season. Barely made 50% of his kicks. Yes, head scratcher. Especially when Longwell was still money from 50 on in.

Check my spelling and let me know how I did. Thanks!

4/29/1312:12 PM

HerschelMember

Okay

let us see if you can understand this.

Walsh had an injury concern and yes, there were also accuracy concerns, but the guy has a cannon leg. Longwell was expensive but also in decline. There's a reason nobody signed him considering he was supposedly "money" from 50 in, mainly because he didn't have the leg to kick outdoors any more and hadn't been decent on kickoffs in a decade. Walsh was also taken a round later. The Vikings peed away a third and fourth last year to the Ravens too for Harrison Smith but still had 10 picks overall. Of course if those two fourths hadn't been compensatories they'd have probably peed them away also.

And it wasn't about spelling, it was about actually constructing a sentence. Spelling errors are no big deal if the sentence is intelligible.

4/29/131:12 PM

Chickenboy of Rubechat"I’m a highly successful business owner with a smokeshow wife. "

What you're really telling me is that Walsh had injury concerns AND accuracy concerns, but it wasn't a head scratcher to select him in the 6th round? Okay.

4/29/131:38 PM

H5Keyboard Warrior, troll hunter

All were good and all sucked... someone once said, time will tell.

I was going to say a wise man, but I don't think that'd be accurate.

4/29/131:59 PM

HerschelMember

It was a bit maybe, but he has an elite leg, not just a good one. This was also a much deeper draft than last year's and Walsh was taken in the "flier" tier. After Walsh, the only guy taken who played any significant time was Nate Potter, and that was due to injury and the only other guy around him was Alfred Morris.

This year, guys like Zac Stacey, Mike Gillislee, Josh Boyd, Ricky Wagner, Bacarri Rambo, etc. came off the board between those picks.

4/29/132:00 PM

Orlando WolfMember

Flipping over your team signing the Packers' sloppy seconds, giving Spielman props for a good draft two days after the fact.

Tell you what let us know when you have a Lombardi trophy at winter park.

4/29/132:32 PM

Chickenboy of Rubechat"I’m a highly successful business owner with a smokeshow wife. "

quote:
Originally posted by Herschel:
It was a bit maybe, but he has an elite leg, not just a good one. This was also a much deeper draft than last year's and Walsh was taken in the "flier" tier. After Walsh, the only guy taken who played any significant time was Nate Potter, and that was due to injury and the only other guy around him was Alfred Morris.

This year, guys like Zac Stacey, Mike Gillislee, Josh Boyd, Ricky Wagner, Bacarri Rambo, etc. came off the board between those picks.

Would you take Ray Guy in the 5th? Because according to Mayock, that's who he most resembles.

Time will tell.

You listed 2 RBs, 1 DL, 1 G, and 1 S.

Vikings are pretty set at all positions other than safety so there's really no point there.

I would imagine that any holes that weren't filled in the draft will be looked at in FA and UDFAs.

I see they just signed a DE from Detroit as well as a CB who started for the Colts in their Super Bowl year as depth.

I'm good with signing the next Ray Guy in the 5th.

4/29/132:37 PM

Orlando WolfMember

Mayock is on the queens payroll so of course he is going to say that.

4/29/132:40 PM

HenryYou rang?

quote:
Originally posted by Jaymo:

Take a look at Kluwe's numbers and he wasn't as good as people are making him out to be. As a matter of fact, he was outright horrible in the first half of the season and spent for time in the media talking about his own personal agendas than he did working on his craft. When your position coach is calling you out in the media, you might to reprioritize.

When punting is a big part of your offensive scheme I can see how this was a good pick.

"Agenda". Right on the tip of your tongue. You want to say it sooo badly. Be that guy, I'm begging you.

But we already know you're a colossal seeping manhole hiding behind ignore. It's okay, I know you peek.

4/29/132:55 PM

Satori"...going where the climate suits my clothes"

The vikings Super Bowl odds before the draft... 50-1
the vikings Super Bowl odds after their amazing draft...50-1

In the recent first rounds the vikes picked:

ponder- disappointment
harvin- headcase,traded
peterson- AAA+
Greenway just OK
Troy Williamson- bust
Erasmus James - bust
Kenechi Udeze- bust
Kevin williams AA+

Given that success rate (2/8) , it certainly makes a lot of sense to put even more resources into the first round of the 2013 draft. Especially for a team that was only 3 players and one punter away from a Championship squad

4/29/132:58 PM

HenryYou rang?

quote:
Originally posted by Jaymo:

Would you take Ray Guy in the 5th? Because according to Mayock, that's who he most resembles.

Time will tell.

You listed 2 RBs, 1 DL, 1 G, and 1 S.

Vikings are pretty set at all positions other than safety so there's really no point there.

I would imagine that any holes that weren't filled in the draft will be looked at in FA and UDFAs.

I see they just signed a DE from Detroit as well as a CB who started for the Colts in their Super Bowl year as depth.

I'm good with signing the next Ray Guy in the 5th.

And every pick after the 4th had "4th round potential" according to every yapping draft weinie on the tube. Weak.

The Spermheads aren't in any position to hopefully have to rely on UDFAs to fill starting/rotational roles. That method is meant for teams who actually employ draft and develop philosophies and can spot undrafted talent.

4/29/132:58 PM

HenryYou rang?

quote:
Originally posted by Jaymo:
Lol.... You crack me up. Oh noooo.... Did my phone accidentally misspell a couple of words ? The horror!

Are we misspelling words again? Wasn't that the whole crux of your defense when I was beating you so bloody that you, as a troll, had to run for the cover of ignore and even blocks PM? Again, I know you're peeking.

4/29/133:02 PM

Chickenboy of Rubechat"I’m a highly successful business owner with a smokeshow wife. "

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Originally by El-Ka-Bong:
goodness people, jaymo is an idiot, stop arguing with him like he isn't one

What round did they draft Matt Kalil and Harrison Smith in? And it's pretty convenient for you to list Ponder as a disappointment after what was essentially his rookie season. I bet you were pretty pleased with Rodgers after his fir...seco...thir.....fourth year.

Greenway would immediately start for the packlers and you would be raving about him.

Kenechi Udeze has leukemia. Can't believe nobody saw that coming.

4/29/133:06 PM

GoallineLarge Antenna

quote:
Originally posted by Herschel:
Not only that but they already have a good, albeit expensive, punter. The Vikings were in position to potentially have a great draft then suddenly reverted to stupidity. I'm not complaining, but for a team with no depth and needing a couple more starters they really shot themselves in the foot.

Kluwe wasn't very good last year. He makes big bucks and, as much as I love the guy, let's face it. NFL teams really don't want all the political drama he brings. That special teams coach is still fuming over Kluwe's protest over Ray Guy's exclusion from the HOF.

4/29/133:31 PM

GoallineLarge Antenna

quote:
Originally posted by titmfatied:
quote:
Bob McGinn's top 100 NFL draft board No. 1 for third straight year
jsonline.com

McGinn correctly picked 87 players chosen in the top 100 of the NFL draft. That number was the best among 65 submissions in the annual scoring of draft boards by The Huddle Report, which tracks draft analysis. Among the more widely known draft prognosticators, Mike Mayock of NFL.com tied for 12th, Gil Brandt of NFL.com tied for 30th and ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr. tied for 48th.

McGinn's five-year average in the competition also ranks first.

The man is impressive. Best NFL writer in the world. Just wish he would drop some of the BS that enters his work periodically.

4/29/133:33 PM

Satori"...going where the climate suits my clothes"

quote:
Originally posted by Goalline:

The man is impressive. Best NFL writer in the world. Just wish he would drop some of the BS that enters his work periodically.

Indeed, we're lucky to have him

But he needs to generate interest and facts don't generate clicks like hyperbole and specualtion

4/29/133:35 PM

GoallineLarge Antenna

quote:
Originally posted by Hungry5:
All were good and all sucked... someone once said, time will tell.

I was going to say a wise man, but I don't think that'd be accurate.

THIS!!!!!!!!!!!! Let's speak in 3 years time.

4/29/133:37 PM

GoallineLarge Antenna

quote:
Originally posted by Satori:
quote:
Originally posted by Goalline:

The man is impressive. Best NFL writer in the world. Just wish he would drop some of the BS that enters his work periodically.

Indeed, we're lucky to have him

But he needs to generate interest and facts don't generate clicks like hyperbole and specualtion

That's because the typical football fan is a moron. Just read fan reaction at the JSO.

4/29/133:38 PM