Who is playing they’re final 4 games as a Packer

If team goes to a 4 3 defense Perry may be kept another year. 

Floridarob posted:

If team goes to a 4 3 defense Perry may be kept another year. 

And perhaps play half of it?

Way less than half. Not even a quarter of the season.  And that would mean about 10 total tackles. 

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ChilliJon posted:

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Thanks. My grandmother was a teacher and big on proper grammar. I guess you can take her place now that she's gone. 

That’s not weird at all. 

Floridarob posted:

If team goes to a 4 3 defense Perry may be kept another year. 

They were already playing 4 3 looks like almost all 3 4 teams.  He still got injured.

Perry with a 14.7 million dollar cap hit? Wth was Thompson thinking???

They’re already thin at OLB as it is. Getting rid of Peter and Matthews? Doubtful. Matthews won’t come back for what they’re going to offer him. He’s gone. 

Don't see them dumping Graham. Gutekunst 2018 prime FA? No. But Kendrick’s and Lewis will be. They’ll need to draft one. 

Cobb is gone. Nothing to really say- can’t pay a guy 8 figures to play 8 games, then not get open for the ones you’re in. 

Full court press on OL both FA and draft. 

MichiganPacker2 posted:

ChilliJon posted:

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Thanks. My grandmother was a teacher and big on proper grammar. I guess you can take her place now that she's gone. 

"There" it is!

YooperPackfan posted:

Perry with a 14.7 million dollar cap hit? Wth was Thompson thinking???

You have no clue WTF you're talking about. Thompson didn't negotiate the contract. 

Ever hear of a guy named Russ Ball??

Yeah....that's why I want Andrew Brandt back.

MichiganPacker2 posted:

ChilliJon posted:

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Thanks. My grandmother was a teacher and big on proper grammar. I guess you can take her place now that she's gone. 

So Chilli, What kind of Christmas cookies are you planning on making this year? 

Kickers have improved over the years that we've had Crosby. He is currently ranked 27th for this season..,,,of all active kickers for his career he is 26th, because he has been with us so long & he's made a lot of kicks we think he is good, but in comparison he really isn't. 

Perry is due a nearly 5 million dollar roster bonus in March. Several reports already put there including Demovskys saying it’s almost certain the Packers won’t pay it. So no, don’t hold your breath he’ll stay. Yes, it’ll still be a cap hit. But not the hit that it looks like on paper. 

Graham is also due a bonus. Don’t recall exact number but here again his 3 year deal is more like a one year deal. His route running last week was almost laughable. Observers on the 22 film said he was barely going through the motions. Not the first time this season either. To be in twilight of your career is one thing, to not try all that hard while sucking in 10 million a year you have to think the Packers can do better in 2019. Move on. 

Graham's roster bonus is also $5 million. 

Jimmy Graham gets 3 years, $30 million, but Packers can bail after one year

And bail they will with TE right near the top of Gute's list of draft needs.

No way Matthews goes.  Too many holes and you already have one starting stiff in Perry.  You have one guy for depth.  There's just no way unless they can load up like crazy in FA and decent OLBs aren't exactly abundant.

It’s a really good offseason for free agent safeties.   The Packers are so thin at that position they may sign two.  

They have to upgrade the OL and OLB positions. I think they keep Perry around for one more year.  CMIII won’t be back unless he agrees to a very cap friendly deal.  

Cobb is gone.  Keep developing the younger WRs.  I see Golden Tate is a FA so maybe you go after him as well.  

Then there are all the draft picks.  If the Packers lose 3 of 4 or all 4 games they should pick in the top 8-10 picks.  I know no one likes to hear “tank” but they are playing for nothing at this point other than improving their draft position. 

ChilliJon posted:

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LOL, I actually thought this was a clever title for a thread about the Moss tweet and firing…

I think Graham, Perry, Marcedes, McCray, and Morrison. For some reason I don't think we've seen the end of Clay and Cobb in GB. 

In checking the standings I am not sure the Packers will catch the 2-10 Raiders.  The 2-10 Niners look safe as well given their record and tough remaining schedule.  The Jets are probably locked in as well at 3-9.  The Cardinals are terrible and have a tough schedule  left.  That’s likely the top 4 draft order.

However, it’s not out of the realm of possibility if the Packers lose out and finish 4-11-1 they could end up in the 5-7 range. There’s 7 teams sitting with 4 wins including GB.  

The Jags, Giants, and Cleveland have been competitive and the Falcons have an easy remaining schedule.  Detroit plays GB so it’s possible they trade spaces. 

There are a few elite defensive prospects that should be there in the Top 10 especially at DL and LB.  If they could get an Ed Oliver or Jeffry Simmons or Devon White that would be excellent.   I know they are better at CB, but Greedy Williams could be BPA as well. 

Can see both Cobb and Clay with the team next year if they're willing to settle for significantly less money. My guess is someone will be willing to pay both more than the Packers.

Bulaga is not going anywhere.  His contract is not up and (despite his injury history) is serviceable.  Gute needs to draft for depth on OL and find a Guard (I've read that Taylor is actually better suited as an RG than LG - his play has declined this season).

I think CM3 is not resigned.  It would make so much sense to let Perry go, as a June 1 release to minimize cap hit, but that leaves only Fackrell and Gilbert, who are fine 4th/5th OLBs.  Maybe Gute goes all in on a youth movement at OLB.

I think Crosby is gone.  His play does not justify the cap hit.  He cost the team 2 games (Vikings, Lions) and the chance to tie the Cards.

I wouldn't get rid of Tramon.  Great vet and depth at CB position.

I think Clay will want to finish his career where he started, I don't think he will get big money elsewhere. His 2018 season would be a lot more palatable, IMO, if he were paid half of what he's making. 

There are some free agent OLBs that GB could look at. Aaron Lynch (CHI), Za'Darius Smith (BAL), Dee Ford (KC), Kerry Wynn (NYG), Anthony Chickillo (PIT), Preston Smith (WAS), and Brian Orakpo (TEN) will be UFAs. Couple of these guys will get re-signed, but guys like Chickillo and Lynch might bolt to get more playing time elsewhere. Orakpo isn't a pass rushing threat so much, but he's still playing good football and executing. Will be interesting to see what BAL does Terrell Suggs also, if he finishes his career there or tries to squeeze out a few more years elsewhere. There's a familiarity with Pettine as they overlapped in Baltimore. 

You add 1 or 2 of these guys, plus re-sign Clay and we instantly have a much better rotation to go with Gilbert and Fack. Hopefully we're in a position to get a guy like Clellin Ferrell and boom we instantly have a solid, reliable group. 

One of the things many moaned about was MM/TT holding on to or sticking with players that had rough patches.  We're going to see if any of that carried over to Glockenschpiel.  Though the players that would fit that bill are "past their prime" so it could be easier for him to move on from them.  Hate to see Mason go.  He's made a lot of clutch kicks.  Also dealing with Opie holding this year.  He could go to a dome team and kick really well for another 5 years.

michiganjoe posted:

Graham's roster bonus is also $5 million. 

Jimmy Graham gets 3 years, $30 million, but Packers can bail after one year

And bail they will with TE right near the top of Gute's list of draft needs.

I think OL (at numerous positions), Safety, OLB, and maybe corner and WR (#2 WR) are higher needs.

That's damn near an entire team.

I think if Bulaga is (big if) he will be back next year.  When he is healthy he is a pretty good OT.  On the OL I would expect them to go with guard as a need and of course depth everywhere they can get it.  

As for Cobb I could see him being back with a short term deal.  He is another example of a guy who if healthy can make a difference on this team.  But, I don't think they can pay him anywhere near where he is now.

So for me in the offseason the positions of need could very well depend on the system that will be put in place by the new staff.  So because of that in no particular order for needs this offseason is Safety, LBs, OL depth, TE, and maybe if a QB who they think highly of.

These two fukkers won't be on the roster next year. They suck. Byron Bell is a fukking stud compared this goober McCray. Also Graham is one of the worst blockers I've ever seen...zero effort on the first play in this clip. 

Backside blocks ruin the run game nearly every week in GB... #Packers run heavily behind LT/LG (as they should) but the backside blunders on zone from RG/RT have killed plays. Essentially beat before the snap... https://t.co/3IIVeEkSvN pic.twitter.com/NfpDPcx60C

— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) December 5, 2018

Assuming he retains his position, Ball is going to have a very busy off-season.
I can't see the team offering Cobb and Clay much more than vet minimum, and I think that's commensurate with their skill level at this point of their careers.
For Perry to stay, I think his contract will have to be restructured. 
The rest of the guys in the chart above are walking a tightrope. The dead cap hit seems more appealing than paying their salaries/bonuses, but that's a lot of experience to let walk.

I can see them giving Clay a deal similar to what Chris Long got a couple years ago, 2 years/5 or 6 million. I don't think he has much of a market except from SB teams wanting to add depth...NE will surely make an offer, possibly NO, maybe even Seattle. I'd like to see him return for a lower salary, I think he has enough left in the tank to be a solid rotational guy like Chris Long is for Philly. 

Same thing for Cobb, I think he has value. I'd like to see him with base salary of $4-5M instead of the $8.6 he's at now. Sign him for 2-3 years for $10-15M with injury protection for the team. 

A guy I didn't list (because he is still on his rookie contract) is Jason Spriggs. He is due 1.6 million next year and his dead cap hit is $459,000. That has to be the easiest decision for a 1.1 million savings that Gute can make.

Jason Spriggs has made almost 4 million dollars in his career.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/gr...jason-spriggs-18997/

The problem with Bulaga is that when he's out, you REALLY notice it, because Spriggs and Murphy are/were the backups.

Looked up his injury history, not quite as bad as I thought.

Games started...

2018 - 12
2017 - 5
2016 - 16
2015 - 12
2014 - 15
2013 -  9
2012 - 12
2011 - 16

He will be 30 in March, IMO, until you have a clear replacement, he's worth re-signing...if for no other reason, we don't have anyone currently on the squad who's better, and then you'd have to rely on likely a rookie RT...which is fine if you have a great RG, which we don't.

Grave Digger posted:

I can see them giving Clay a deal similar to what Chris Long got a couple years ago, 2 years/5 or 6 million. I don't think he has much of a market except from SB teams wanting to add depth...NE will surely make an offer, possibly NO, maybe even Seattle. I'd like to see him return for a lower salary, I think he has enough left in the tank to be a solid rotational guy like Chris Long is for Philly. 

Same thing for Cobb, I think he has value. I'd like to see him with base salary of $4-5M instead of the $8.6 he's at now. Sign him for 2-3 years for $10-15M with injury protection for the team. 

Cobb will probably be in Oakland/Vegas playing for Jon Gruden next year.

I could see Clay going to Cleveland. His father played for the first iteration of the Browns for 16 years. That would actually be a cool place for him to end his career and the fact that the front office is essentially Green Bay East isn't going to hurt the chances of that happening.

Bulaga is signed through 2019 and frankly is a bargain at his salary. 

Yeah - Can't let go of Bulaga until the Pack has an O-Line. I know Guards aren't highly thought of but when opposing DL just blasts thru like nobody is even standing there, it makes the QB's job a tad bit difficult. 

Seriously, look back at the previous games this year. It's a miracle the Packers were even IN those games

Henry posted:

No way Matthews goes.  Too many holes and you already have one starting stiff in Perry.  ....

Isn’t it then unfortunate that CM has largely been ineffective and when he rarely makes a key play the league officials (erroneously) take exception?

Grave Digger posted:

I think Clay will want to finish his career where he started,  

So he's going to the Rams? Or the Chargers? 

8MM per year for an often injured RT is a bargain?  He’s being paid like a top 5-7 OT at that position.  

They absolutely need to think about a replacement whether it’s through rhe draft or FA.   It’s no slam dunk he’s back next year especially not at his projected salary. 

What sucks is they have little to no quality OT depth.  

Bulaga is paid $6.75M per year, he is currently the 8th highest paid RT.

In his entire career, only regular season games (124) he's started 78% of them.

He's had two significantly injury-shortened seasons out of 8. 

I haven't looked at the numbers yet, but that doesn't seem to be below average.

https://overthecap.com/position/right-tackle/