$6.75M is a bargain for a RT of his quality even with his health issues.
Music City posted:They’re already thin at OLB as it is. Getting rid of Peter and Matthews? Doubtful. Matthews won’t come back for what they’re going to offer him. He’s gone.
Don't see them dumping Graham. Gutekunst 2018 prime FA? No. But Kendrick’s and Lewis will be. They’ll need to draft one.
Cobb is gone. Nothing to really say- can’t pay a guy 8 figures to play 8 games, then not get open for the ones you’re in.
Full court press on OL both FA and draft.
Hard to make Big FA splashes, when your paying your QB 30% of your salary cap.
Anyone think they may cut bait on Kevin King this offseason? Maybe try and salvage some value with a trade.
Grave Digger posted:$6.75M is a bargain for a RT of his quality even with his health issues.
No. It’s not. At all.
Grave Digger posted:Anyone think they may cut bait on Kevin King this offseason? Maybe try and salvage some value with a trade.
Wondering why you’d ask this after stating RT is a bargain given his inability to play.
ChilliJon posted:Grave Digger posted:$6.75M is a bargain for a RT of his quality even with his health issues.
No. It’s not. At all.
There's been too many times where Bulaga can't even finish a game. With most games these days being settled in the 4th quarter, that really diminishes his value. Sure, he can start, but he can't finish.
The biggest problem is the guys behind Bulaga are marginal NFL players, the drop off to the backups is gigantic. That may force the Packers' hand a little bit if there aren't quality tackles in the upcoming draft. The last thing they want to do is waste another high round pick on a marginal performing offensive tackle. If they do pick one high, it can't be a Sherrod/Spriggs level player.
Grave Digger posted:These two fukkers won't be on the roster next year. They suck. Byron Bell is a fukking stud compared this goober McCray. Also Graham is one of the worst blockers I've ever seen...zero effort on the first play in this clip.
My Lord is that a ton of suck. Awful
Grave Digger posted:Anyone think they may cut bait on Kevin King this offseason? Maybe try and salvage some value with a trade.
Still too soon. I know he spends most of his time in the TR but he has talent and he makes a difference when he does play. I guess it would depend on what he can do in the off-season to improve his ability to withstand the NFL beating.
ChilliJon posted:Grave Digger posted:Anyone think they may cut bait on Kevin King this offseason? Maybe try and salvage some value with a trade.
Wondering why you’d ask this after stating RT is a bargain given his inability to play.
Oh because King is average even when he's healthy, which isn't often, compared to Bulaga who is a proven quality player. Also $6.75M for a starter at almost any position (not specialists and not FBs) is a bargain when the cap is as high as it is.
Kevin King's latest injury woes appear to be tied to conditioning and not taking serious how he's working out. I believe it was Leroy Butler who pointed that out.
When you see guys dealing with hammy's, abdominal strains, etc those type of fatigue injuries usually are tied to working out the wrong way, not working out like you should, and even nutrition these days.
On the plus side, it appears he's past his shoulder problem.
Grave Digger posted:Anyone think they may cut bait on Kevin King this offseason?
Maybe for a decent backup QB? Wait, already did that…
packerboi posted:Kevin King's latest injury woes appear to be tied to conditioning and not taking serious how he's working out. I believe it was Leroy Butler who pointed that out.
When you see guys dealing with hammy's, abdominal strains, etc those type of fatigue injuries usually are tied to working out the wrong way, not working out like you should, and even nutrition these days.
On the plus side, it appears he's past his shoulder problem.
i still remember all the hoopla in the pre-season him doing push ups while on the sidelines....he was the man, blah blah, then he's hurt all year - this is a prove it year for him, but i think we draft high on cb also...maybe not first, but up there. I could see him playing a smaller role next year, if anything just to try and keep him healthy for pete's sake.
Grave Digger posted:ChilliJon posted:Grave Digger posted:Anyone think they may cut bait on Kevin King this offseason? Maybe try and salvage some value with a trade.
Wondering why you’d ask this after stating RT is a bargain given his inability to play.
Oh because King is average even when he's healthy, which isn't often, compared to Bulaga who is a proven quality player. Also $6.75M for a starter at almost any position (not specialists and not FBs) is a bargain when the cap is as high as it is.
Wouldn’t GB gain more by trying to trade Bulaga then?
Bulaga has looked pretty stiff and slow to me this year, even when he's supposedly healthy.
PackerRuss posted:Music City posted:They’re already thin at OLB as it is. Getting rid of Peter and Matthews? Doubtful. Matthews won’t come back for what they’re going to offer him. He’s gone.
Don't see them dumping Graham. Gutekunst 2018 prime FA? No. But Kendrick’s and Lewis will be. They’ll need to draft one.
Cobb is gone. Nothing to really say- can’t pay a guy 8 figures to play 8 games, then not get open for the ones you’re in.
Full court press on OL both FA and draft.
Hard to make Big FA splashes, when your paying your QB 30% of your salary cap.
That is false information.
His % of cap $ for 2018 is 11.54%
2019 is projected to be 13.87%
2020 is projected to be 17.43%
Let's not let facts get in the way of a good point here...
... still waiting on that good point but anyway...
PackerHawk posted:Bulaga has looked pretty stiff and slow to me this year, even when he's supposedly healthy.
He did to me as well but I wonder if you have to roll the dice with him and hope he can play unless there is someone you think can replace him.
Speaking of health, is it just me or do the Packers have just a crazy amount of injuries compared to other teams? Perhaps it is my imagination and I know all players are banged up but it seems like the Packers are missing more players than anyone else. Especially hamstring injuries. It seems like every single hear they have a bunch of players out for multiple games with hamstring injuries.
...said every other teams' fans....
Kevin King is extremely frustrating given the fact we know they could have had TJ Watt instead. It would be one thing if he was reliable as he’s shown talent and ability but the reality is he’s been a part time player. Perhaps that will change, but it’s not a given. Still, I see no reason to cut the guy. He’s basically making around a million dollars a year the next couple of years. For a starting caliber corner that is a good value.
On the other hand, we all like Tramon Williams and he’s a gamer but he did not have a good season and they could save about 5MM in 2019 by not bringing him back. I’d prefer they used some of his money to go after an established safety and even though they went corner crazy in the draft it would not surprise me if they took a corner early again this year. You just can’t trust or count on King which sucks.
Blair Kiel posted:...said every other teams' fans....
When they are not complaining about the refs
FLPACKER posted:PackerRuss posted:Music City posted:They’re already thin at OLB as it is. Getting rid of Peter and Matthews? Doubtful. Matthews won’t come back for what they’re going to offer him. He’s gone.
Don't see them dumping Graham. Gutekunst 2018 prime FA? No. But Kendrick’s and Lewis will be. They’ll need to draft one.
Cobb is gone. Nothing to really say- can’t pay a guy 8 figures to play 8 games, then not get open for the ones you’re in.
Full court press on OL both FA and draft.
Hard to make Big FA splashes, when your paying your QB 30% of your salary cap.
That is false information.
His % of cap $ for 2018 is 11.54%
2019 is projected to be 13.87%
2020 is projected to be 17.43%
My bad on that. I thought it was over 25% and trying to make the point that when you have a player taking up a significant part of the cap, it's hard to make big FA signings, because typically those signings, the team overpays for the player.
Having said that, what other teams out there have a player (prob QB) that takes up over 10% of their cap?
Tschmack posted:
On the other hand, we all like Tramon Williams and he’s a gamer but he did not have a good season and they could save about 5MM in 2019 by not bringing him back. I’d prefer they used some of his money to go after an established safety and even though they went corner crazy in the draft it would not surprise me if they took a corner early again this year. You just can’t trust or count on King which sucks.
Tramon is going to end up in the Packer Hall of Fame. After the 2014 season it was clear he had lost a step and the Packers let him walk. That was the correct decision then. They signed him before this season because they didn't have many other options and they knew he was not going to mess up assignments. They probably were thinking he could match up against some #4 and #5 WRs and be a veteran presence an almost like a player-coach.
Thinking he was going to be the 2010 version of Tramon was never on their minds. Thinking he was going to be a starting safety was not on the table.
He was too slow at 31 to play at a starting level for a CB. He's 35 now. They have to let him walk.
There is some context missing to that story. He had a bit of a resurgence in ARZ, most likely aided by playing with a better secondary but still played at a #2 CB level. I'm sure GB's plans were for him to be a #3 or 4 but I think they were hoping to get 2017 Tramon instead of 2014 Tramon. He's had garbage behind him and rooks/street guys next to him other than JA this year. But yeah, another year older.
DH13 posted:There is some context missing to that story. He had a bit of a resurgence in ARZ, most likely aided by playing with a better secondary but still played at a #2 CB level. I'm sure GB's plans were for him to be a #3 or 4 but I think they were hoping to get 2017 Tramon instead of 2014 Tramon. He's had garbage behind him and rooks/street guys next to him other than JA this year. But yeah, another year older.
Good point. If you put the 2018 version of Tramon in the secondary as a safety with Charles Woodson, the 2010 version of Tramon, Sam Shields, and Nick Collins, he'd be a good fit. If he's your worst starting DB, you are in great shape. If he's your best or second best (Alexander) then you have issues.
2017 Tramon looks better playing with Patrick Peterson than he does with two rookies.
Tramon was slow when he left and certainly didn't get any faster. Too many times he has been in matchups with the other teams fastest receiver. Being a nice guy doesn't mean you should still be in the NFL.
PackerRuss posted:Having said that, what other teams out there have a player (prob QB) that takes up over 10% of their cap?
Insert every NFL team that has signed their QB to a new contract in the past 5-6 years.
You either have one of these guys, a young QB on his rookie contract or your team basically sucks.
Brainwashed Boris posted:YooperPackfan posted:Perry with a 14.7 million dollar cap hit? Wth was Thompson thinking???
You have no clue WTF you're talking about. Thompson didn't negotiate the contract.
Ever hear of a guy named Russ Ball??
I sure hope Russ Ball was not the sole decision maker on whether to re-sign Perry or setting the limit on his cap impact. Edge rushers are expensive and the Pack was Desperate. Thompson had to decide if he was worth keeping or not. Gambled on a good player making an future impact,,,,and lost ... Nick gets hurt when the wind blows.
"Having said that, what other teams out there have a player (prob QB) that takes up over 10% of their cap? "
According to Over The Cap, 16 Qbs take up more than 10% of their team's cap this year. AR, at 11.3%, is a bit under the mean for that cohort. Even Tom Brady, who famously sacrifices his own compensation for a better team, takes up more.
Aaron Donald is only non-QB above 10%.
PackerRuss posted:My bad on that. I thought it was over 25% and trying to make the point that when you have a player taking up a significant part of the cap, it's hard to make big FA signings, because typically those signings, the team overpays for the player.
Having said that, what other teams out there have a player (prob QB) that takes up over 10% of their cap?
You think Rodgers is overpaid?
You pay a franchise QB. Matt Ryan, Stafford, etc. all have big cap implications.
It's the name of the game, Ball, etc need to deal with it.
Henry posted:PackerRuss posted:My bad on that. I thought it was over 25% and trying to make the point that when you have a player taking up a significant part of the cap, it's hard to make big FA signings, because typically those signings, the team overpays for the player.
Having said that, what other teams out there have a player (prob QB) that takes up over 10% of their cap?
You think Rodgers is overpaid?
You pay a franchise QB. Matt Ryan, Stafford, etc. all have big cap implications.
Highest paid QB in the league. Nowhere near the best QB in the league this season. In that respect he’s highly overpaid.
The Packers are paying for 2012 AR. I hope the new coach can figure out where he went. Right now they’re paying for potential.
I don't want to say he is overpaid, but he is being overpaid this year. He probably has been underpaid the past couple of years in relation to his performance. So, more than likely it comes out as a wash, over his career.
According to SprortTrac, our top 3 players for salary are AR, RC, and CM3. You could say all 3 of those guys have been overpaid this year, and they are taking up 25% of the cap. No coach is going to fix that when your top salaries aren't even in the Top 15 of their respective positions.
The point I was trying to make, is that when you have players taking up a relatively good sized portion of the cap, it's hard to make the big FA splash, without totally upsetting the overall cap structure.
There are similarities with Ryan (10%), Stafford (14%), Rapesburger (13%), those teams aren't making big FA signings. And really, those teams aren't sniffing the playoffs.
Brees at (15%), is an anamoly, since 2012, the Saints have had 2 winning seasons, and made the playoffs twice (not including this year). This is probably what the future holds for the Packers moving forward.
bdplant posted:Henry posted:PackerRuss posted:My bad on that. I thought it was over 25% and trying to make the point that when you have a player taking up a significant part of the cap, it's hard to make big FA signings, because typically those signings, the team overpays for the player.
Having said that, what other teams out there have a player (prob QB) that takes up over 10% of their cap?
You think Rodgers is overpaid?
You pay a franchise QB. Matt Ryan, Stafford, etc. all have big cap implications.
Highest paid QB in the league. Nowhere near the best QB in the league this season. In that respect he’s highly overpaid.
The Packers are paying for 2012 AR. I hope the new coach can figure out where he went. Right now they’re paying for potential.
So bad coaching, rookies, shitty oline, injured knee that he's still playing on is all on Rodgers. Got it.
Contracts don't work on a year by year basis.
PackerRuss posted:The point I was trying to make, is that when you have players taking up a relatively good sized portion of the cap, it's hard to make the big FA splash, without totally upsetting the overall cap structure.
Key word there being "trying".
You are not succeeding.
PackerHawk posted:PackerRuss posted:The point I was trying to make, is that when you have players taking up a relatively good sized portion of the cap, it's hard to make the big FA splash, without totally upsetting the overall cap structure.
Key word there being "trying".
You are not succeeding.
Flame away. When players make a ton of $$ and don't produce at that level, it's a problem that FA isn't going to fix, it makes the problem worse. How about this year, we made a big FA move, with getting JG. He's 3.3% of the cap, but he's the number 10 TE, tied with David Njoku (who is taking up less than 1% of the Browns cap).
But let's keep on overspending on FA's.