Thanks Ammo. Fascinting read....
Like Dorsey sitting out there for months, so was McCloughan. Why the Packers didn't add him I don't understand.
Conflicting reports re. McCloughan. He still runs his private scouting service. It sounds like the Browns retained his service specifically for the 18 draft only. Scot is a huge Mayfield fan.
Inside Brian Gutekunst's new approach to shaping the Green Bay Packers' roster
Good piece. Really early but the initial results appear promising.
I didn't realize GiggleySnort has been around as long as he has. Good stuff, like the approach of raiding PS to churn the roster in season while still putting a big emphasis on the draft.
Love the team and the team building approach Gute is taking--not being satisfied, churn the bottom of the roster, etc.
michiganjoe posted:Inside Brian Gutekunst's new approach to shaping the Green Bay Packers' roster
Good piece. Really early but the initial results appear promising.
Wow, staff with names like Gutekunst, Wojciechowski and Gissendaner , my spell check is going crazy!
He should be jailed for getting a fourth rounder for Haha. Grand theft larceny.
Tony Brown and Tyler Lancaster were both good signings. Love the way he continually churns the roster trying to improve it.
I'm excited about the guard we got from The Ravens. Watch that.
Every GM churns the bottom of the roster. Except Spielman, he's too busy looking for his next QB to save the franchise.
I should rephrase. I like the fact he's raiding other PS when positions start falling apart rather than having the turds get any more playing time than necessary. Get well Buluga.
Cutting big names and making cap space
This soft rebuild, not sure you can call it that at this point, should be a consideration in the HC approach. This why I definitely don't want a college coach who has to prove himself while being in control of this time critical rebuild.
Unless Condi is the HC. Then the Packers can just hire scumbag mercenaries by the boatload.
In reading that article, I think there’s a good chance all those moves happen but I really question if they bring back Tramon at nearly 5MM for 2019. If they could get Breeland back for around that (short term deal) he’s younger and more athletic at this point.
I could see keeping Cobb, Clay & Bulaga at 1/2 the price. Especially Bulaga because they need OL desperately. Can't believe Cobb is only 28, seems like he's 35 & his rapport with Rodgers is 2nd to none. Same as it was with Jordy so I guess we'll see.
Tom Oates: Brian Gutekunst the unsung hero of Packers' resurgence
Most telling stat from the piece: only 18 of the 53 members of the current roster were TT acquisitions.
And yet over his past 2+seasons, any negative criticism of TT on this board was met with a wrath of fury from many other posters.
PackLandVA posted:And yet over his past 2+seasons, any negative criticism of TT on this board was met with a wrath of fury from many other posters.
Not to quibble over the absolutely correct point made above PacklandVA, but Gute has not even been on the job 2 seasons yet (took over in January of 2018).
Anyone just looking at this 2019 defense, now full of alpha dogs and horror of horrors actual real live NFL free agents, knows that Gutey has completely abandoned whatever philosophy it was that Ted utilized between 2011 and 2017.
Can't wait to see what Gutey has in store at WR and TE (where he pretty much whiffed on Jimmy G) this offseason.
I'm referring to TT's "last 2+ season", not Gute's.
PackLandVA posted:And yet over his past 2+seasons, any negative criticism of TT on this board was met with a wrath of fury from many other posters.
Really we are only taking about the most sensitive of posters
Rodgers, Adams, Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Clark, Aaron Jones, King, Tramon Williams, Jamal Williams, Linsley, Lowry, Fackrell, Crosby.
Im not including Martinez because he sucks. Point is there are a lot of teams that have flipped the roster but have 15-20 core players that drive everything. Teds 18 are doing that today. Gute hit pay dirt with the Smiths and Alexander. But Ted didn’t leave scorched earth. McCarthy did.
PackLandVA posted:And yet over his past 2+seasons, any negative criticism of TT on this board was met with a wrath of fury from many other posters.
It's mostly because you're a dick. I'm kind of disappointed there was no "Thanks Ted" in your reply.
Nice pick-up of Veldheer; whole league passed on him when Patriots released him. Comes in and plays well for Bulaga, unlike the disaster this year (Light) or years past (Spriggs, et al)
ChilliJon posted:Rodgers, Adams, Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Clark, Aaron Jones, King, Tramon Williams, Jamal Williams, Linsley, Lowry, Fackrell, Crosby.
Im not including Martinez because he sucks. Point is there are a lot of teams that have flipped the roster but have 15-20 core players that drive everything. Teds 18 are doing that today. Gute hit pay dirt with the Smiths and Alexander. But Ted didn’t leave scorched earth. McCarthy did.
Some pretty good players up there...
Henry posted:PackLandVA posted:And yet over his past 2+seasons, any negative criticism of TT on this board was met with a wrath of fury from many other posters.
It's mostly because you're a dick. I'm kind of disappointed there was no "Thanks Ted" in your reply.
I'm actually not a dick. It's an accurate statement. TT was one of the best in the business for a long time. But at the end, not so much. Took many fans a few seasons to see that. Still think his biggest mistake as a GM was not forcing McCarthy's hand to get rid of Dom sooner. But why rehash that story.
Just clowning. Sheesh.
I think expectations have changed quite a bit since Harlan and Wolf brought the Packers back. I think in general fans are a bit more jaded. Gork has done some excellent stuff but after the TT fallout I'm not sure anyone is full homer anymore.
PackLandVA posted:And yet over his past 2+seasons, any negative criticism of TT on this board was met with a wrath of fury from many other posters.
I think it’s pretty obvious now that there was plenty of blame to go around. TT forgot how to draft, MM’s schtick got old, and AR’s historic level of play is now looking like it’s just that....history.
Maybe he finds the magic for a few more seasons with a continued influx of talent. It worked for Bert.
slowmo posted:Nice pick-up of Veldheer; whole league passed on him when Patriots released him. Comes in and plays well for Bulaga, unlike the disaster this year (Light) or years past (Spriggs, et al)
Yeah, that pick up really paid off today. If for some reason Lindsley and/or Bulaga are not able to go 2 weeks from now I feel like we are still in good shape, provided no one else gets hurt.
Executive of the Year?
Tyler Ervin was also a sneaky-good signing. And he stuck with Mason Crosby. Seems like a good case for NFL executive of the year. https://t.co/rxiD90c0S1
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) December 30, 2019
The Ryan Grant thing still has me totally puzzled even though that shouldn’t stand in his was of EOTY honors
Uh, who is the 3rd immediate impact rookie?
slowmo posted:Nice pick-up of Veldheer; whole league passed on him when Patriots released him. Comes in and plays well for Bulaga, unlike the disaster this year (Light) or years past (Spriggs, et al)
He retired before training camp with the Patriots. Then decided he wanted to play again in November, how many teams have a roster opening that late?.
GBFanForLife posted:slowmo posted:Nice pick-up of Veldheer; whole league passed on him when Patriots released him. Comes in and plays well for Bulaga, unlike the disaster this year (Light) or years past (Spriggs, et al)
He retired before training camp with the Patriots. Then decided he wanted to play again in November, how many teams have a roster opening that late?.
There are lots of roster transactions every week in the NFL, right up to the last week of the season. Good teams churn their roster to upgrade.
In this case, Veldheer was signed and the Packers had a window to evaluate him before placing him on the active roster. Then placing him on the active roster and releasing Pankey was an upgrade.
Can’t overlook Gute peeling Lazard off the Jaguars practice squad. Gute is really good at listening to his scouts and finding improved depth. Ervin is probably the best example. It was a glaring issue and addressed. Fast. Not only is the return game improved MLF has another chess piece he can move around.
Yup. Love Gute’s aggressiveness. I think he watched TT in later years and learned to do the opposite
They could have stuck with Shepard longer than they did or Tremon Smith but they cut bait and tried another avenue. It sure did pay off!
PackerHawk posted:They could have stuck with Shepard longer than they did or Tremon Smith but they cut bait and tried another avenue. It sure did pay off!
The ironic part was Ervin was let go by the Jags so they could use the spot to activate former Packer LB Jake Ryan from IR for week 13. Ryan played in two games, got hurt again, and is back on IR,
slowmo posted:PackerHawk posted:They could have stuck with Shepard longer than they did or Tremon Smith but they cut bait and tried another avenue. It sure did pay off!
The ironic part was Ervin was let go by the Jags
So was Lazard. 😂
Who knew the Jags were so talented!