MVS is like a Ken doll.
Stud all the way until you find out he’s smooth in the important parts.
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Mind-blowing: No team in the NFL is scoring fewer points per game in the second half this season than the Kansas City Chiefs.
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The #Chiefs are averaging 5.3 points per game in the second half through 10 games.
Every other NFL team has more. pic.twitter.com/QoRlMQ765Z
Mahomes still couldn’t get someone to catch his passes even after the game 😂pic.twitter.com/Vo0peNKwFi
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We are almost to the true turning point of the season and there are no dominant teams on either side of the shield. Some team will get hot and run right through it. Could even be a lurker.
@SteveLuke posted:MVS leading the NFL in drops on deep throws.
Do Packer scouts hone in on that particular skill set?
Tee it up…we do what we do
Crazy game last night. Need a compilation of MVS drops
does MVS survive this?
I saw him here in Raleigh at NCSU . He couldnt catch a cold and transferred to USF. Same things plague him at GB And KC. If I was KC Id cut him this morning.
MVS was 6 for 116 and a TD in the AFCCG, he's not getting cut.
I guess would you rather have a guy that runs a 4.6 and is no threat whatsoever deep or a guy that runs a 4.3, gets open on deep routes a lot, but drops half the passes that would be TDs?
MVS' hands make Christian Watson's look like D. Adams, but the defense has to account for his deep speed every time he's on the field. You don't want to be throwing to MVS when your season is on the line, but he opens things up a little more for the guy that Mahomes is going to throw the ball to when the season is on the line in the playoffs (Kelce).
I think you eventually have to look at Watson the same way. He's the guy that forces the safeties and DBs to play a little deeper to open things up for the other guys. I know we all expect Watson to be a Calvin Johnson type, but if he turns into Javon Walker, we should be more than satisfied.
The Chiefs overpaid MVS and must have thought he'd improve. Not. They could cut him at season's end and save $12 mil with only a $2 mil cap hit. You can bet they're looking at that.
I expect Watson to be more of a role player like he was last week with a few big plays and games here and there. And that's good enough if Doubs, Reed, and Wicks continue to grow at the WR position.
Watson is best utilized running 20+ yard routes so if Love gets protection he can still be a factor. The Packers just need to play to his strengths and not try and make him something he isn't.
@WolfPack posted:does MVS survive this?
I saw him here in Raleigh at NCSU . He couldnt catch a cold and transferred to USF. Same things plague him at GB And KC. If I was KC Id cut him this morning.
That's easy to say after that drop but what other WR on their team even gives them that chance?
Back during MVS’s time with Green Bay, Mark Daniels, a Packers beat reporter, asked Matt LaFleur how he could live with MVS. At the time, many were angry that he would dare ask such a question.
Now, it appears that many are ready to ask Andy Reid the same question.
@MichiganPacker posted:MVS' hands make Christian Watson's look like D. Adams, but the defense has to account for his deep speed every time he's on the field. You don't want to be throwing to MVS when your season is on the line, but he opens things up a little more for the guy that Mahomes is going to throw the ball to when the season is on the line in the playoffs (Kelce).
I think you eventually have to look at Watson the same way. He's the guy that forces the safeties and DBs to play a little deeper to open things up for the other guys. I know we all expect Watson to be a Calvin Johnson type, but if he turns into Javon Walker, we should be more than satisfied.
Javon Walker actually grew into a legit #1WR. He was lights out in that 4th-and-26 year. His coming up with all those jump balls ala cheap Randy Moss is a big reason Favre threw that ball up for him to go get in Philly on that fateful January night. They already connected on one of those earlier in the 4thQ. His route either got disrupted or Favre was under pressure on the INT and he F!balled it.
The full game is on YT for those who are feeling a little too good about life today.
@Maxi54 posted:I long for the good old days when pharmacuticals were banned from being advertised on TV.
A few weeks ago, one of the streams I was watching for the Packers game was coming from England. Saw a lot of British commercials, but not one pharmaceutical commercial. I lost that stream, connected to another which was from the US, and the very first commercial was for some drug with side affects worse than the condition.
It's wild to me how much criticism there is of the deep threat guys that have trouble bringing them in when they're moving at a speed maybe 100 people currently living on the planet have ever been capable of achieving at the NFL level. Even almost every NFL WR has no fucking clue what it's like to make fine motor skill adjustments to a ball in flight when hauling ass down the field at that kind of speed.
If the criticism is coming from one of the 100 that ever had the skill set, fair enough, but the rest of us- general managers and former players included- get the f**k out of here. It may as well be another plane of existence.
Nearly every speed demon is coached and trained by someone who has zero clue how to hone that particular skill at the 1% level. That's the realm of magic and what makes Moss and Hill mythological.
I have no problem with a GM taking swings at that trait with even premier draft capital and giving them four years at rookie scale to see if they can develop a connection with the QB. What's dumb is paying them big money on a second contract hoping they'll get better if they haven't shown four years in. I think Gute was right to let MVS walk and right to take a swing at Watson.
@Thunderbird posted:A few weeks ago, one of the streams I was watching for the Packers game was coming from England. Saw a lot of British commercials, but not one pharmaceutical commercial. I lost that stream, connected to another which was from the US, and the very first commercial was for some drug with side affects worse than the condition.
Our daughter worked for a pharma company in Europe for several years. Europe prohibited tv advertising of pharmaceuticals. The companies could only market to doctors and hospitals.
@titmfatied posted:It's wild to me how much criticism there is of the deep threat guys that have trouble bringing them in when they're moving at a speed maybe 100 people currently living on the planet have ever been capable of achieving at the NFL level. Even almost every NFL WR has no fucking clue what it's like to make fine motor skill adjustments to a ball in flight when hauling ass down the field at that kind of speed.
If the criticism is coming from one of the 100 that ever had the skill set, fair enough, but the rest of us- general managers and former players included- get the f**k out of here. It may as well be another plane of existence.
Nearly every speed demon is coached and trained by someone who has zero clue how to hone that particular skill at the 1% level. That's the realm of magic and what makes Moss and Hill mythological.
I have no problem with a GM taking swings at that trait with even premier draft capital and giving them four years at rookie scale to see if they can develop a connection with the QB. What's dumb is paying them big money on a second contract hoping they'll get better if they haven't shown four years in. I think Gute was right to let MVS walk and right to take a swing at Watson.
Speed is relative. From the player's perspective, their top speed is normal to them, regardless of what that top speed is, just like their height is normal to them. That means coordination revolves around their own physical nature, not someone else's.
If you could put Anquan Boldin somehow in Tyreek Hill's body, sure, he'd have issues, but that's not how it works. Tyreek is used to being Tyreek.
Don’t confuse speed with instincts and timing. And courage.
I’m a pedestrian white dude but ran a 4.4-40 in HS. Plenty fast only problem was I was 6’ and 170. We had a really good football team and I ran track and HS coach wanted me as a receiver and return guy. I politely declined. I didn’t want to get crushed by guys 240-250. I could run away from a lot of guys but not everyone.
How many klicks is 40 yards?
