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@Blair Kiel posted:

We live in Wake Forest (Raleigh) Lovely, but I wouldn’t rank it 3rd. Durham is a shit hole in 50% of the places we’ve been through.

Raleigh and Durham are 2 very different cities. Folks here hate that idiots lump them together just because they share a major airport RDU. Yes most of Durham is trash

Wake forest - meh..  Thus area gets it's rep from Raleigh downtown and it's suburbs of Cary, Apex, Morrisville, Rtp, Holly Springs. Jobs, schools, weather, cost, near beach and mountains

With the growth here they’re starting to call it Fake Forest.

I also find it amusing when people say we’re close to mountains and the ocean….ahh, if you think 2.5 hours is close, then yes. 😀

@mrtundra posted:

Grew up on Braunschweiger. When I was in High School, my Mom would make me Braunschweiger and onion sandwiches for lunch and put them in a paper bag. Come lunch time, I could be blindfolded, and find my locker just by following the aroma.

I like your generous use of the word “aroma.”

my wife gets a different table from me when I order boiled crawfish at a resaurant.  Unfortunately for me and fortunately for her there are only a couple of places in the Central Florida area that can get them. I wont eat them if they are dead before they are put in the boil. Louisiana is a great place to live for the food but that is pretty much where it ends. Left there for Florida in the late 80s

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@Blair Kiel posted:

We live in Wake Forest (Raleigh) Lovely, but I wouldn’t rank it 3rd. Durham is a shit hole in 50% of the places we’ve been through.

My and Mrs.Keil’s hobby the past 10 years is to look at cities to move to…we lived in St.George UT which I would put on that list…next stop is probably Chattanooga TN which should be on that list for low taxes, low crowding and mild weather.

Next stop after Chattanooga would be ideally, Tucson…probably too hot for most of you.

I love Jacksonville (25 years there) because we raised our family there….but no. Also, hard no on Green Bay, bless your hearts…

For those of you daydreaming about where to relo, some cool cities we’ve looked at:

-Davidson NC

-Mt.Pleasant SC

-Beaufort SC

-Melbourne FL  - (Lived there ‘94-‘96)

-Franklin TN

Hard no on Franklin, TN. Our daughter lives in Spring Hill, 10 miles South of there, and it's really about the only place in the country she has hated living in. She and her husband have previously lived in Michigan;  Spartanburg, SC; Long Island, NY;  Boston; Berkeley; Ft. Collins; suburban DC; and she has spent a lot of time in Wisconsin.  

Franklin might be better than Spring Hill, but her complaints are the lack of bike trails and parks, it being a current epicenter for the library book-banning movements, and just a lack of coherent master planning. The lack of a master plan leads to building shopping districts and large housing developments without creating the infrastructure to handle the traffic. Traffic in some areas of that county creates backups you would normally only see in large cities.

It's about finding a balance between having to fill out 20 pages of forms and get permission from a historic council to move your mailbox or remodel your garage (my brother experiences this living in the Boston area and having just bought a house in a historic district) and just allowing anyone to build anything without any restrictions.

@Benzene posted:

I love Braunschweiger.  My wife just doesn’t understand.  I can see the disgust on her face when I buy it.

Funny you mentioned Braunschweiger my wife and I had that conversation just last night.  I love the stuff and she leaves the room when I make a sandwich with it. Onions on it with rye bread as good as it gets.

I have lived in quite a few places due to the military moving me and  for jobs.  Some of which I loved and some were hell on earth.

I grew up near GB right on lake Michigan I always have wanted to move back home.  My wife is from Ohio and the first time I took her to Wisconsin she fell in love with it and wants to move there more than me.  She loves the snow so winter would be good with her.  Me? not so sure I don't want snow in April

NE Michigan about an hour north of Saginaw.  Not bad but really remote and nothing to do

SE NC in Jacksonville.  Built right on a hot, humid, bug infested, swamp and its really a rough place I do not recommend it.

Northern Virginia just south of DC.  I loved living in DC but that was in my younger days I wouldn't want the hassle of living there now

SW Ohio just north of Cincinnati.  Ohio overall flat out sucks but Cincinnati is actually a pretty cool town. 

Heckler, I lived in Leesburg, VA from 1998 - 2010.

It was nice at first, being so close to DC and Baltimore (the Inner Harbor, anyway). 

After a few years, I was so tired of the traffic and people, I couldn't wait to get out of there.  Thank God my work let me transfer out here to the Phoenix area.

@Thunderbird posted:

Heckler, I lived in Leesburg, VA from 1998 - 2010.

It was nice at first, being so close to DC and Baltimore (the Inner Harbor, anyway).

After a few years, I was so tired of the traffic and people, I couldn't wait to get out of there.  Thank God my work let me transfer out here to the Phoenix area.

I lived in the DC area for three years back in the 90s. If you are able to live close enough to the Metro, it helps a lot. If you don't, it's some of the worst traffic in the country.

Baltimore has it's problems, but all in all, not as bad a city as it's made out to be. One of my daughter's and her husband live there now and like the food and the parks.

@Thunderbird posted:

Heckler, I lived in Leesburg, VA from 1998 - 2010.

It was nice at first, being so close to DC and Baltimore (the Inner Harbor, anyway).

After a few years, I was so tired of the traffic and people, I couldn't wait to get out of there.  Thank God my work let me transfer out here to the Phoenix area.

I was there from 94-2004 and lived in Annandale and then Springfield.  I worked downtown near the white house so that was really cool.

I really love it the first few years.  I was really busy traffic wise but it was tolerable once you got used to it and not overwhelming.  But, about the year 2000 the area to me just boomed even more and it became such a hassle to live there.  I used to love taking time off after the tourists were mostly gone and see some of the things in downtown DC.

My daughter and family live in Mooresville, NC (Lake Norman area) We’ve visited Davidson several times and it does seem like a great college small city.  

I’ve only visited several times but Asheville, NC is very nice.  Decent weather with some change of seasons, not too far from mountains and the ocean, artsy with music venues, etc. and good breweries close.  

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@Thunderbird posted:

Heckler, I lived in Leesburg, VA from 1998 - 2010.

It was nice at first, being so close to DC and Baltimore (the Inner Harbor, anyway).

After a few years, I was so tired of the traffic and people, I couldn't wait to get out of there.  Thank God my work let me transfer out here to the Phoenix area.

I also spent a lot of time in Phoenix about a decade ago as my institution had a close affiliation with another in downtown Phoenix (where I could walk to Chase Field). I would rather live at the South Pole than Phoenix. 115 degrees in July and August is miserable. I know it's a dry heat, but it was still awful. I was staying at the Biltmore for one of those extended periods, and it was still bad.

However, if I could commute from Sedona, Arizona to Phoenix, I'd live in Sedona in a heartbeat. The week I've spent on Tuscon in my life also was nice. I visited for a work trip in February and we had the golf course to ourselves when the temps fell into the mid-60s in the middle of the afternoon and the regulars were racing to get off the course because they were too cold.

@Goalline posted:

Dare I take this thread overseas? Best places to live around the world?

You know I'm going say Thailand.
Although I got to spend time in a lot of other countries because of airline employee flight benefits, Thailand was the only one I lived in. (twice)

I’ll bite. Barcelona Spain comes to mind. There is great local color: food, museums, churches, an old fort and beach. Many Europeans holiday in Spain due to a lower cost of living. I found a sports bar there called Sports Bar and they agreed to show the replay of the Packers-Panthers game when I visited there many moons ago. I never lived there, but I know an ex Pat who loves it there.

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@Blair Kiel posted:

With the growth here they’re starting to call it Fake Forest.

I also find it amusing when people say we’re close to mountains and the ocean….ahh, if you think 2.5 hours is close, then yes. 😀

It's close when you live in the Midwest.

Interesting thread. I love Southern California for its weather and culture, but the cost of living, traffic and politics, not so much. We are looking to relocate north of LA but I have reservations about the future of California.

I’ll have to look into Tucson and maybe Utah and the Carolinas. I love hiking in the mountains so a flat state is out. My wife hates snow, so…

@bvan posted:

You know I'm going say Thailand.
Although I got to spend time in a lot of other countries because of airline employee flight benefits, Thailand was the only one I lived in. (twice)

I’d love to visit Thailand. My oldest was all set to honeymoon there when the rock climbing bug bit them and the moved it to Switzerland.

@GreenBayLA posted:

I’ll bite. Barcelona Spain comes to mind. There is great local color: food, museums, churches, an old fort and beach. Many Europeans holiday in Spain due to a lower cost of living. I found a sports bar there called Sports Bar and they agreed to show the replay of the Packers-Panthers game when I visited there many moons ago. I never lived there, but I know an ex Pat who loves it there.

I’d love to visit Barcelona. I’ve flown over it many times, but had the chance to visit.

I love the inner part of Cali near Yosemite and Sequoia and so on. It's not "exciting," but the hiking and so on is great. International, I'd go with Copenhagen. Expensive, but the history, architecture, and being able to use bikes and transport was awesome.

Anyone ever been to New Zealand? That's where I really want to visit and possibly live later...

@GreenBayLA posted:

I’ll bite. Barcelona Spain comes to mind. There is great local color: food, museums, churches, an old fort and beach. Many Europeans holiday in Spain due to a lower cost of living. I found a sports bar there called Sports Bar and they agreed to show the replay of the Packers-Panthers game when I visited there many moons ago. I never lived there, but I know an ex Pat who loves it there.

Flew into Madrid and inspired by Michener's The Drifters I followed the trail from Málaga to Torremolinos to Algeciras, then caught a boat to Tangier.

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@bvan posted:

Flew into Madrid and inspired by Michener's The Drifters I followed the trail from Málaga to Torremolinos to Algeciras, then caught a boat to Tangier.

Fuck, in my next life I want to live your life.

@Fandame posted:

I love the inner part of Cali near Yosemite and Sequoia and so on. It's not "exciting," but the hiking and so on is great. International, I'd go with Copenhagen. Expensive, but the history, architecture, and being able to use bikes and transport was awesome.

Anyone ever been to New Zealand? That's where I really want to visit and possibly live later...

New Zealand and Iceland are #1 on my bucket list.

@Goalline posted:

Dare I take this thread overseas? Best places to live around the world?

I was very fortunate to be able to live overseas thanks to the military.  I lived in England for almost four years and it was absolutely awesome.  Yes the food and weather left a bit to be desired but if you like history its freaking awesome.  And I found the people to be pretty nice.

Places that I have visited but didn't live there was Scotland, Netherlands, and Germany.  Scotland was just fantastic and I got to go on the Loch Ness tour which I would recommend very highly.

Germany was by far and away the best and nicest place I have been overseas.  I was very fortunate to be able to go there several times and spent a good amount of time.  It is  Clean, people are nice, and the beer goes without saying.   I was able to get to the real Octoberfest in Munich an experience that everyone should do.

Next stop on my US tour. Ashville, NC. That seems like a super nice place.

2 Weeks ago I was in St Louis. I still haven't decided whether is is a shithole or a nice tourist trap. One thing is for sure. Pappy's Smokehouse and City Museum are amazing, and the arch is really super cool.

@Goalline posted:

I’d love to visit Barcelona. I’ve flown over it many times, but had the chance to visit.

I have a meeting in August in Castelldefels (10 miles from Barcelona). What are the can't miss parts of Barcelona?

@Goalline posted:

Next stop on my US tour. Ashville, NC. That seems like a super nice place.



We also had a dalliance with Asheville to the extent that we bought a lot there and engaged a builder 3 years ago…until we got the quote on the building price (lumber was at its peak)

For that reason, I followed the city on Nextdoor and Facebook pages. The city has a HUGE problem with the homeless and mental illness. There is also left/right divide on how to deal with the problem.

The only city I’ve ever seen more panhandling in was Vegas. I’m still a lot bummed because it’s so damn beautiful…our neighborhood was 1/2 mile from the Blue Ridge Parkway…on the other hand…it’s a little colder than my ideal.

"She loves the snow so winter would be good with her.  Me? not so sure I don't want snow in April." Heckler, it's the snow in May that gets depressing, here. One day, a few years back, I was at my son's workplace and when I went outside and happened to look up, it was snowing! It was melting, before it hit the ground, though.--- This was in AUGUST! I live in western Wisconsin, along the border with Minnesota.

@PackLandVA posted:

Haven't heard it called that, but I'm guessing it's where you drive thru a major intersection about 75 yards and make a U-turn at another light. Then you make a right hand turn to go (originally) left.  There's a few in the area I've seen. It's to help turning lanes not backup.  Similar principle to "milk jug handles" in Jersey, just opposite..

Correct.  They just started putting them in at a few major intersections.  Everyone I know hates them.  We already have lagging left turn arrows and multi-left turn lanes.  The left turn lanes still back up with this "improvement".

@Benzene posted:

I love Braunschweiger.  My wife just doesn’t understand.  I can see the disgust on her face when I buy it.

Braunschweiger was a staple at our Packer game day parties. A little Braunschweiger and a little onion on a ritz cracker was great snack. Wash it down with a Spotted Cow and you are good to go. My Mom used to buy Braunschweiger and Big Bologna in the 3 foot long sticks. Always had that in our home.

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