Article on JSonline exactly about this. Capers flat out says he plays prevent to stop the big play. The quote was “Don’t let them score quick.”
WTF is that?
If the strategy is "don't let them score quick". They will score. Quickly.
It's a generation gap thing? He's old and does not fully trust the youth that he's had nearly every year in GB?
Grave Digger posted:Here is the other thing going wrong in the 4Q, the offense isn't keeping the D off the field. They have averaged just under 2 minutes per drive on the 5 Q4 drives they've had the last 2 weeks with only 13 points to show for it. They need to do a better job closing games also.
Couldn't agree more. The 4th quarter "protection" scheme is just ****ing idiotic. You can play percentage football still and at least convert a couple of first downs even if you don't score. I don't see how total ball protection to the point just taking a damn knee makes a lick of sense.
Again I think it's just because offenses take more risks in the 4th Q because they're behind. If Capers stayed in Man the entire 4th Q and rushed 6 I'm sure the offense would be lobbing deep throws as much as possible to try and score quickly. Conceptually it makes sense to keep the O in front of you and let them drain the clock. As a fan that wants to see the opponents throat stomped out it's frustrating.
Also the O needs to do their part. If the D can force a 5 minute drive, even if it scores, and the O can have two 5 minute drives then the game is over.
Agree with the O not doing their part in the 4th Q. A couple first downs even without scoring would be extremely helpful to the D.
Either way. I'm done with Capers. The book is out there. The blueprint is set & all 31 teams have it. It's time to change it up & freak out the rest of the NFL with a new defense in Green Bay.
Grave Digger posted:Goalline posted:He didn't build ****! They built that team despite him, not because of him. He wanted to draft guys like Johnny Ootball. Poor Stephen had to tackle him to prevent that from happening.
Well replace Jerry with Stephen in what I said, but the point still stands. Their OLine isn't just performing as well or better than every OLine in the NFL (I think GB pass blocks better), the rest of their O is feeding off the confidence that line provides. We don't see many rookie mistakes from Dak or Elliot because most rookies are overthinking and trying to do too much. Those guys seem to have the poise and confidence you don't normally see from rookies and I think a big part of that is the fact they trust the OLine is keeping them clean. There's something to be said for that method of team building.
100% agreed.
CUPackFan posted:If teams were smart, they'd stop chasing franchise QBs in the first round and instead use those first round picks on o-line, pass rushers and CBs.
While I mostly agree, this is what the Houston Texans have done and they'll be shelling out $27 million over two seasons to Brock Osweiler after failing with Brian Hoyer, et. al. prior to this year with Arian Foster in the backfield and guys like Andre Johnson and Hopkins at WR.
Capers replacement is on the market. Sexy Rexy fired! Can't wait to watch that hellacious defense he coached in Buffalo. 14th in yards? Wow, Compers could never do that.
Henry posted:Ryan could never co-exist with MM.
Isn't that the point? No?
Why would you want your HC and DC not getting along? It's not like Rex would challenge MM to be better, he would create drama like his brother and old man. Say whatever you want his coaching skill or style, but McCarthy is very professional and doesn't feed into the drama. Rex on the other hand is nothing but drama, all he does is gloat when he's successful and whine when he's unsuccessful.
Herschel posted:CUPackFan posted:If teams were smart, they'd stop chasing franchise QBs in the first round and instead use those first round picks on o-line, pass rushers and CBs.
While I mostly agree, this is what the Houston Texans have done and they'll be shelling out $27 million over two seasons to Brock Osweiler after failing with Brian Hoyer, et. al. prior to this year with Arian Foster in the backfield and guys like Andre Johnson and Hopkins at WR.
You do make a point. But the Texans have seen more success by not chasing a QB and instead drafting guys like Watt, Mercilus, Hopkins and Clowney. That said, they did chase a QB with Brock and we're all seeing how that played out. They would have been better off saving that money and playing Tom Savage.
Not saying you ignore QB high in the draft, you just have to be careful not to overrate a QB just because you need a QB. You see it every draft season, where guys like Kizer, Watson and Tribusky will rise up the boards over better non-QB prospects just because they play the most important position on the field. And while a good QB can help you on the field more than a good OL or DL, a bad QB can hurt you much more. And that's what we're seeing in the draft, 2nd/3rd round QB prospects getting drafted in the top 10, killing a team's future.
One could also state that if they were stupid enough to pay Osweiler it's highly unlikely they would be able to land a productive QB in the draft. That's just a bad GM or maybe a good GM because he knows he can't judge QB talent for ****.
Yeah, you're probably right. Which is why it just all comes down to player evaluation. If a GM knows how to scout a QB, he'll be able to avoid the bad ones and pounce on the good ones. But it's a minefield; a GM has to avoid the Josh Freemans, Blain Gabberts, Jake Lockers and Christian Ponders and get lucky that Rodgers or Flacco falls, or that Brees/Manning become free agents (and injuries aren't an issue), or that you hit on a late draft pick (Brady, Wilson, Prescott), or you get a top 10 pick in a QB heavy draft (Eli, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Luck). Sucks but step 1 is avoiding the crappy QBs so you can get lucky to grab a good one if he's available.
GMs chase what they wish they had. They see superstar QBs, an excited fan base, and through that, job security. But superstar QBs are very, very few and very far, far between. But they buy into the myth that you need one to win the SB. Superstar QBs win because of their OL and having a good D. If you took that Dallas OL away from Dak and Elliott, they would be average at best (for prime example, see AP). If you took away GB's OL, our offense would be a lot more limited.
Brady, for all his great throws, has also had an OL that protects him and Belichek is great on the D side. Denver last year protected Manning and had a great D. Heck, Gruden made a career out of winning an SB with an average QB (Brad Johnson) and a good D. Baltimore won with Dilfer, and then with Flacco (who I don't see as a great QB) and it's D.
But all of them were able to keep their QBs upright with strong OLs, and by having a good D.
Can't find the Geranimo Allison draft thread so I'll ado here.
Very encouraging performance from him the last couple weeks. One of the press likened him to Boykin but I think Allison's height and length give him better match-up advantages.
Starks was all elbows and knees when he ran and Geranimo is all arms and legs.
Allison can use that height advantage against the Lion CBs....
If Cobb plays, Allison isn't going to see many snaps. Jordy, Adams, Cobb, Cook and Monty will be the featured skilled players. Allison may get 10 to 15 snaps.
It was fun as hell to yell "Geronimo!" - after a few of his 3rd down catches last week. I hope the kid continues to develop- and catches some big ones this week.
I like Allison's build. Boykin was skittish. Geronimo appears calm, cool, and collecting catches. something about that kid - we'll see.
We'll see about Allison. His tweets still strike me as immature. Hopeful he continues to get his act together.
If POTUS elect can drunk tweet, so can Geronimo.
DH13 posted:Can't find the Geranimo Allison draft thread so I'll ado here.
UDFA I think.
I know he was but I thought he might have had his own thread. =rong.
I don't think I've ever seen a lankier guy in the nfl. He stepped out of a spaghetti western. Or former giacometti model.
Boris posted:Agree with the O not doing their part in the 4th Q. A couple first downs even without scoring would be extremely helpful to the D.
Either way. I'm done with Capers. The book is out there. The blueprint is set & all 31 teams have it. It's time to change it up & freak out the rest of the NFL with a new defense in Green Bay.
I get the Dom bashing, not just by the Boss but Hank and others. Much respect.
But explain me this. Dom isn't the HC. He's worked for this HC for eight years. If the HC was really perturbed about the way Dom calls a game or Dom's defensive tendencies (dare I say "blueprint"), or how his defensive coaches get these players ready, don't you think he'd have fired him years ago?
So I guess we should be firing Mike McCarthy too. And Fire Ted while we're at it. Clean Sweep.
We've seen this movie many times since 2009, folks. Mike must think Dom is doing something right. It's not for lack of other candidates, either... The list of potential DC's who'd flock to GB to join this organization is too long to even ponder.
I think GD's takes on this are pretty spot on.
Agreed- and this year has been a frustrating example of "why aren't they seeing the same thing???"
The Packers leadership are pretty bright dudes. It's awfully hard to ignore success. And I'm professional football there really are slivers of differences between success and failure, from a one on one to a play to a series to a drive to a quarter-half-game-season. One guy makes a block, game-winning TD to Cobb to win the division. One guy misses a block, a wide open Greg Jennings isn't seen running down the sideline alone because Rodgers is laying on the ground (15-1 season).
BrainDed posted:If POTUS elect can drunk tweet, so can Geronimo.
Drunk? He doesn't drink.
Unless you mean "drunk with the idea" that these United States of America will reverse the last 8 years of wussification and finally be made great again....then, yes...by all means Geronimo should keep tweeting.
I am sure that's what you had meant to post.
Seriously . ...knock it off
That being said, I do believe the DB's will be a high priority again in April Although I don't think it'll be like Ron Wolf's 1-2-3 back in '99.
Boris posted:Seriously . ...knock it off
Agree. Thanks, Boris.
Come on, Brainded, no politics in this thread.