Will This Post Season Define AR/MLF's Individual Legacy?

@SteveLuke posted:

Dunno if Saturday's outcome it will define ARod or MLF, but if the Pack gets gashed again on the ground in yet another playoff defeat to SF, I sure as H hope someone in that Front Office finally decides to do something about the defense.

I’d think that firing 2 D coordinators in 5 years. Drafting 65% defensive players in that time. And signing a metric fuck ton of defensive FA’s qualifies as finally doing something about the defense. But that’s me.

If the results don’t work out. It ain’t from a lack of trying.

@Tavis Smiley posted:

I know again that they were down all of the game last year, but a 48/16 pass/rush ratio in any game regular or post-season will not cut it. This is on MLF, and maybe more so on AR if you believe the extent that he checks out of running plays.

Last years game changed in 4 snaps. Blown coverage to end the 1st and Jones fumble to start the 2nd. 14-10 became 28-10 before anyone knew WTF just happened. Not on AR. Or MLF. Pettine is gone and protect the ball.

@ChilliJon posted:

Pettine is gone and protect the ball.

@ChilliJon posted:

I’d think that firing 2 D coordinators in 5 years. Drafting 65% defensive players in that time. And signing a metric fuck ton of defensive FA’s qualifies as finally doing something about the defense. But that’s me.

If the results don’t work out. It ain’t from a lack of trying.

As you correctly point out, the Pack has changed defensive coordinators, signed FAs, and used every top pick other than Jordan Love since 2012 (and a majority of their second picks) on the D and they still have not finished in the top 10 in scoring D since 2010 - when they were #1 and won the SB.

If it were only a matter of throwing resources at the D, the problems would have been resolved long ago, but we know that has not been the case.

That said, now is not the time to discuss why the organization has, for so long, accepted a passive approach to playing defense, disdained the ILB position, willingly trotted out JAGs/slugs along the defensive line (other than Clark), and consciously avoided drafting/adding players with a "fiery" attitude/persona despite the fact that nearly every top NFL defense feature multiple such personalities.

Rather than worry about whether Shanahan is licking his chops while plotting how to  exploit the likes of Lowry, Lancaster, Slaton, Barnes, and (sadly) Savage with his multi-faceted running attack, I'd rather focus on signs for hope on Saturday night.

Like how Campbell is the best ILBer we've had in over a decade, how Rasul Douglas will be out there giving everything he's got to help GB win and we (hopefully) won't have to worry about soft-as-glass Kevin King giving up easy first down completions on 3d and 7+, and about how Z, Mercilus, and Jaire might get some much needed snaps.

And, most of all, I have hope that MLF has made it clear to Barry that he cannot allow SF to just run the ball down our throats over and over again like his predecessor did in the 2019 playoff loss and, moreover, that MLF has made it crystal clear to Barry that if he lets Jimmy G get comfortable in the pocket on passing downs he will join Dom and Pettine as former Packer DCs who no longer have NFL jobs.

Go Pack Go.

To me, the defensive gameplan is simple.  You sell out to stop the run.  If Jimmy G beats you through the air so be it.  But they cannot allow the 9ers to get comfortable and chew up the clock.  

On offense, I go right at Bosa and Warner much like the Packers did last year against a banged up Aaron Donald.  Despite the narrative that the Packers are a finesse team, they have some nastiness along the OL and they need to show that it’s not just the Niners that play physical.  They also need to show they don’t care if those guys aren’t 100%.  The Packers have been on the receiving end plenty of times so it’s time to flip the script and dig into the no mercy bag of tricks.

If the Packers make this into a Rodgers showcase type game I think that’s a mistake.  

49ers had all their guys the first time we played and we had a fairly good mix (100 yards rushing and 260 passing). We were able to run on the Rams because we used motion to get one of their ILBers out of the box....leaving 5 blockers vs. 5 defenders, with Donald hurt we didn't have to double team him and the result was 180 yards on the ground. We tried to do the same thing vs. TB but couldn't get them oblige and the result was 67 yards rushing ... but 346 yards passing. It is never as simple as "just run the ball" or "just pass the ball", it is all predicated on how the defense is playing you and what they are susceptible to ..... unless you can't block them upfront .... that makes them much less susceptible to anything the offense does. My hope is that the temperature and AR's cadence will slow down the 49ers front enough for us to be able to run most if not all of our gameplan.

Did you ever feel like you read something before?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqOBBhRpnxE

@GBFanForLife posted:

Did you ever feel like you read something before?

You must be new here.  Many can't bother to read previous posts.

@GBFanForLife posted:

Did you ever feel like you read something before?

You must be new here. Many can't bother to read previous posts.

Maybe we invest more on defense. 

@Tschmack posted:

To me, the defensive gameplan is simple.  You sell out to stop the run.  If Jimmy G beats you through the air so be it.  But they cannot allow the 9ers to get comfortable and chew up the clock.  

On offense, I go right at Bosa and Warner much like the Packers did last year against a banged up Aaron Donald.  Despite the narrative that the Packers are a finesse team, they have some nastiness along the OL and they need to show that it’s not just the Niners that play physical.  They also need to show they don’t care if those guys aren’t 100%.  The Packers have been on the receiving end plenty of times so it’s time to flip the script and dig into the no mercy bag of tricks.

If the Packers make this into a Rodgers showcase type game I think that’s a mistake.  

I don't see this offense so much as finesse anymore.  It's a lot more physical compared to the McVince days.  Having Rodgers doing what he does generally adds to the finesse label but you have hard hitting WRs, a legit tandem run game and big hosses like Marcedes easily snotbubbling/pancaking guys outside.

The offense actually has the element to be a grinder offense when needed as it's been evolving under Mayo.  I have a hard time really categorizing the style of offense Mayo ran the first year because even he admitted it was a hybrid of McVince because of Rodgers and the old guys on the team.  That's obviously changed with a new influx on the oline and guys like Dillon coming into their own.

Absolutely.  And we've discussed this with regards to the WR group.  MLF values WR's who can block because that's needed for the way he wants to run his O.  I recall the KC game in 2011 where MM and AR had a hard time scoring points and the takeaway from the post game was that KC knew if they got physical with our world class WR's that they'd have a hard time separating and could jam them up and off of their routes.  Can't do that with this bunch.

And Dillon is really the cherry on top.

@GBFanForLife posted:

Did you ever feel like you read something before?

Déjà lu.

Disastrous game for both. Hard to really see AR's legacy as being anything else than a great regular season QB who repeatedly underperformed in the postseason.

Dan Marino.

Sad.  

True.

His legacy is set.  Great player.

X4’s Legacy:

Great poster.

After a long career in Indy, Peyton Manning  Indy with 2 SB appearances and 1 SB win.

He was the great QB also knows as a playoff choker before Aaron Rodgers.

Peyton went to Denver and appeared in 2 more SBs, with 1 more win (in a season in which he was not very good).

Rodgers only chance to change his rep as a playoff choker is to go elsewhere and win another one, ironically enough probably in Denver.

not as bad as no points off 3 interceptions.

MLF going into his last year of his contract. How long do the Pack extend him?

@Packiderm posted:

MLF going into his last year of his contract. How long do the Pack extend him?

Tell ya after next season

Danger for MLF is that he becomes another Marty Shottenheimer.

@michiganjoe posted:

Danger for MLF is that he becomes another Marty Shottenheimer.

I guess it could be worse.

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MLF's legacy will be decided on how he reacts to failure. We all know that Drayton must go. When will MLF cut that cord? Seeing Rodgers's struggles in the post season, how will MLF be different in, or adapt to, the way he prepares Love for big games? How will our drafting affect MLF's legacy? We will need a top flight WR, if Adams leaves. Are any of our WRs, now on the roster, able to even come close to filling that void? ILB is, yet, another position that needs to be addressed. You cannot tell me the GB FO knew DeVondre Campbell was going to be the stud, he was, at ILB. After years of neglecting the ILB position, an All Pro falls into their lap. So many things can affect MLF's legacy. Some, of which, he has little control over.

One pattern that's emerged time and again with AR in the playoffs is that fixates on his number 1 WR and will not trust other WR's. That pattern again emerged Saturday as it did with the NFCC the year before.

Throwing into double coverage in what AR dubbed a "50/50" ball to Adams (it wasn't even close to that) while Lazard was streaking WIDE open is simply inexcusable for a QB of his caliber and experience. And we've seen that show before.

Cobb, Degura, Dafney, had no targets. Lazard had 1 and that was late in the game.

Tired of the hero ball and uninspired performances of his year in and out during the playoffs. He's the goat of the regular season. Playoffs he morphs into an entirely different QB   

I typically watch the Packers and the Badgers  and no other games, so my perspective is limited. .This weekend, I watched all these damned games. It was a constant chuckle to see these QBs making insane clutch play after clutch play...Golly, maybe #12s legacy deservingly needs to be about the last decade of playoff performances...and I need to get out more.

This motherfucker has played 2 great playoff games since 2010… out of 16.Please stop telling me how many times his passer rating was over 90, like you know what that actually means. You don’t.

From Peter Kings column this morning, some of you may have read one of the authors previous books…When Pride Still Mattered.

@Johnson posted:

I typically watch the Packers and the Badgers  and no other games, so my perspective is limited. .This weekend, I watched all these damned games. It was a constant chuckle to see these QBs making insane clutch play after clutch play...Golly, maybe #12s legacy deservingly needs to be about the last decade of playoff performances...and I need to get out more.

The other 3 playoff games were a joy to watch. Most of the QBs played the way you are supposed to. The losers were, for the most part, unlucky.

Rodgers and Tannerhill? They played like they were boycotting the Super Bowl.

So the Boomer rumor was true?

@packerboi posted:

Cobb, Degura, Dafney, had no targets. Lazard had 1 and that was late in the game.

         

Cobb had 1 target, Dafney had 2 and Degura had one with a bad drop.   The other 2 also had no catches.   Lewis and Lazard had 1 target each and both had a catch. Lewis had the big fumble however.

Pass to Cobb was a bad throw into tight coverage and probably should have been picked (Deguara was also apparently wide open). Right before the desperation heave to Adams and AR's last two throws in a critical game situation were both horrible decisions.

Rodgers stunk.

I think Aaron Rodgers can win a Super Bowl again, but not in Green Bay.  It’s a combination of poor decisions by the Pack over the past 10 years, some bad luck, and the fact that Rodgers’ own personality can get in the way when things around him aren’t going well.

The craziest thing about the NFL nowadays is how difficult it is to win a title when a franchise QB sucks up so much of the salary cap.  Tom Brady of course is the exception, partially because he did make some salary adjustments to help his teams.  Rodgers didn’t make those adjustments and it hurt the team, and in the end…. his Packers’ legacy.

@packerboi posted:

One pattern that's emerged time and again with AR in the playoffs is that fixates on his number 1 WR and will not trust other WR's. That pattern again emerged Saturday as it did with the NFCC the year before.

Throwing into double coverage in what AR dubbed a "50/50" ball to Adams (it wasn't even close to that) while Lazard was streaking WIDE open is simply inexcusable for a QB of his caliber and experience. And we've seen that show before.

Cobb, Degura, Dafney, had no targets. Lazard had 1 and that was late in the game.

Tired of the hero ball and uninspired performances of his year in and out during the playoffs. He's the goat of the regular season. Playoffs he morphs into an entirely different QB   

         

On the 3rd down throw where Rodgers threw, incomplete,to a double covered Adams, both Lazard  and ESB were open. Lazard was alone under the coverage for a 1st Down and ESB had his defender beat by nearly two yards. If Rodgers would have thrown the ball to ESB, he may have scored a TD. Rodgers fixating on Adams, once again, cost this team.

I too have had enough of the "trust" factor .... just throw it to the guy who is most open. That is your job ....as MLF always says "just do your job", but that just does not seem to pertain to AR. Funny that coaches are praised all the time for giving a RB the ball after they have fumbled .... but QBs are expected to ignore receivers after they have dropped a ball?

Well, this post season is over for the Pack and AR, has the question posed in this thread been answered?  Has it in some way defined/redefined his legacy?