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@Floridarob posted:

Who can beat San Fran? Guys look like they are better than anyone else and getting better. Wow

As it stands at the moment, Detoilet may be the only team.

It's hard to imagine they could score enough to keep up with SF, but I didn't think they would score 34 on the Packers. So there's that...

SF likely has the better overall defense, as well.

Wow....you guys are just writing off the Eagles eh?

Like @Maxi54 said.....if you wanna crown their asses then crown em!

Like I said before.....LOTTTTTTTTTAA FOOTBALL TO play yet.

Mike McCarthy special this game. Big games....team is never ready, they're undisciplined with penalties. 4 turnovers....and Dak....Dak is nothing but a tease

@RochNyFan posted:

Shanahan may be doing a good job of implementing a system that fits Purdy's skill set, but that kid is poised and super accurate. 49ers are scary good. Way better than Eagles if they manage to stay healthy.  How do they have enough cap room to pay McCaffery, Warner,Kittle, Samuel,  Bosa etc ?

Purdy may be a legend in the making.

Well, as far as cap room, Purdy's making less than $900,000.00, so for now no insane QB pay.

@D J posted:

Purdy may be a legend in the making.

Well, as far as cap room, Purdy's making less than $900,000.00, so for now no insane QB pay.

That's the formula isn't it?

Get a QB on the first contract. Surround him with talent, win the SuperbOwl.

Russel Wilson, Pat Mahomes (got paid now), Aaron Rodgers. Last year Jalen Hurts (didn't win it but damn close). I'm seeing a pattern.

Niners are all in this year. Price is only going to go up.....and if Purdy wins it all this year, He'll get paid before that rookie deal expires.

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The Vikings starting 1-4 certainly warms my heart and Justin Jefferson giving them a stiff arm on contract extension is even better.  

Still, we don’t want them to suck too badly as Minnesota was one team specifically mentioned by Caleb Williams - along with the Raiders and Giants and Cowboys and 49ers.  

For now, Philly, SF and Detroit clearly look like the teams to beat in the NFC, but as we just saw with Dallas and the Diggs injury it doesn’t take much for things to go sideways pretty quickly.

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@Goalline posted:

Jets got vengeance for Hackett. This should shut Sean Peyton’s big stupid mouth.

While I'm actively rooting for the Jets to lose as many games as possible I was good with them winning this one. Peyton is looking like a bigger dope every week.

I saw Hackett got the game ball - the ONLY game ball - after this game. Tell me it didn't matter to him and the team.

@Tschmack posted:

The Sean Peyton experience isn’t exactly going as planned for Denver.  Going back to when Denver traded for Russ Wilson I’m not sure an NFL team has had a worse run over a couple of years than the Broncos.

It's interesting how the narrative has changed on several (perhaps potential) future NFL Hall of Fame members in the last 15 months.

If Russell Wilson had retired last year instead of moving onto the Broncos, he's a first ballot Hall of Famer. Now, you have to wonder if voters will hold his play in Denver against him. He's been terrible.

Pete Carroll looks a lot better in retrospect. He's even now winning with Geno Smith.

Sean Payton looks like he can't function without Drew Brees.

Independent of things linked to the Broncos, Bill Belichick looks pretty mortal without Tom Brady. After this year, Belichick will have been a head coach for 10 seasons without Brady as his starting QB. He's made the playoffs in 2 of those 10 years (assuming they don't this year).

@Tschmack posted:

The Sean Peyton experience isn’t exactly going as planned for Denver.  Going back to when Denver traded for Russ Wilson I’m not sure an NFL team has had a worse run over a couple of years than the Broncos.

Lol don't get me started.  Got into a friendly debate with a friend last night, who was saying "time to trade away our players to accumulate picks and tank for Caleb Williams".  First, who on the Broncos is worth trading a pick for?  PS2 and Justin Simmons are probably the only tradeable players.  But Simmons is on a big contract and 2024 is his last year, so limits trade value.  And it'd be criminal for the Broncos to trade PS2.  He's their only young all-pro talent. You don't get better trading away great players. 

And this is where we really got into it - would Caleb Williams even come to Denver?  His dad has already said he's going to carefully consider his options and if certain teams finish with the top pick, may refuse to play for them.  With NIL money in LA, not unreasonable to ask USC boosters for $10m to stay in college one more year.  And this isn't the Pat Bowlen Broncos.  This is the Broncos that is going to miss the playoffs for the 8th straight year this year.  That has had 7 losing records.  These Broncos are more like the Browns, Jets, Bengals, Lions, and Jags of recent history.  And Sean Payton is an a-hole.  Would a brash young QB like Williams want to play for an authoritarian like Payton?  And Payton won a Super Bowl 14 years ago when Williams was like 6 or 7.  Yeah I don't see it. 

I think Payton is regretting his move to come back to coaching.  I think he's here mostly for the paycheck and spotlight, not the grind that is necessary to rebuild a franchise.  Sorry to say, I'm enjoying it. 

I'm trying to decide how I feel about guys dictating where they play. On one hand, I feel like they should just be happy to make millions playing a sport no matter where they go.  On the other hand, if I were a high-caliber player, I wouldn't want to go to a place where a coach might screw up my mechanics and limit my future, ala the Bears. But we all remember how Elway, the lesser Manning, and Bo Jackson forced the issue when drafted, or threatened to be drafted, by teams they didn't want to play for.

On one hand, careers are made and lost based on where you're drafted.  Very few QBs are able to rise up and be great in spite of their surroundings.  The older Manning and Luck are the only ones that come to mind.  And it's Caleb Williams career, so if he sees going to Chicago as a death sentence on his career, is it crazy to say "no thanks"? 

But it can be dangerous.  I think it's a bigger issue in the NBA than NFL.  It's so rare in the NFL that we've really only seen it with Elway and Manning, and sounds like Williams. Only two other guys who probably could have pulled it are Lawrence and Luck.  So 5 guys over 40 years.  Guys that were the presumptive #1 pick before they could even enter the draft, and would have been #1 if they stayed in college an extra year. 

It's interesting how the narrative has changed on several (perhaps potential) future NFL Hall of Fame members in the last 15 months.

If Russell Wilson had retired last year instead of moving onto the Broncos, he's a first ballot Hall of Famer. Now, you have to wonder if voters will hold his play in Denver against him. He's been terrible.



Russ was horrible in 2022 but he's been really good this year. They just have no defense in Denver.

He's been fine.  Bigger issue is that the Broncos drafted like garbage from 2016-2021 then gave up 2 firsts and 2 seconds to get Russ.  So the team has no talent.  But bigger issue for Russ' legacy is that he immediately regressed when he left Seattle, and Geno Smith became a very solid QB in his place.  So was Russ really that good, or is Carroll just a great coach?  That stuff matters when talking legacy and no doubt Russ' candidacy for the HOF has taken a massive hit. 

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