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No positives this week, just moral victories.
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Where to begin and where to end?
This team, especially the offense, is under-achieving.
The 'talent' on this team is certainly under-achieving.
The coaching on this team is most certainly under-achieving.
Our players aren't mentally tough, and some remove any doubt by doing something incredibly stupid. Looking at you (this week), Whitehead and Adams!
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I'll go with the defense. Injuries, young guys, against a pretty good QB and coach and still hung in there.
MVS. He is becoming a player.
Jones. When he gets to play.
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Zook should get zooked. Another major mistake to give NE a first down, and every kickoff I'm holding my breath they don't bust it. When we receive, I hope for five yards.
Jones. The fumble was a killer.
The Oline.
Whitehead. How stupid. I don't care if it was bad enough to get ejected or not, you've got to have more composure than that.
I am officially bored of our offense. I see nothing new any week. It's trot out the same plays week after week, watch them fizzle, and don't make changes. It's frustrating to watch other teams do different things while we do what we do, and it still doesn't work.
When do the Bucks play again?
No positives this week, just moral victories.
I'd like an immoral victory right about now....
+ Aaron Jones got 14 more carries than I expected
+ Whitehead didn't make any boneheaded plays in the second half
+ I have to get up by 4AM so I missed the fourth quarter
+ I have to get up @ 4 AM in the east so I went to bed before the game started
- We don't play in the AFC Least
There were good moments, but hard to call out too many positives when they pissed away their chances with big mistakes.
+Spriggs has improved, not great but not the absolute disaster he was
+ Valdez is going to be a player
+Even with the extension-one game closer for McCarthy to leave town
+ our draft position just keeps getting better-at this rate we'll get an elite pass rusher-and some o-line help
- what an undisciplined team. McCarthy is becoming Forrest Gregg. They are finding new and fascinating ways to lose games they should be in.
+The running game is improving
+ I also think Spriggs is showing signs of life
+ At times the defense played really well
- The defense it is always the defense to me. How many times do they miss tackles, or run in to each other, or fail to adjust? I am still bafffled on that trick play with Edelman threw the ball across the field and the entire OL for the Pats is out there and the Packers were so late to figure out what is going on
- The refs. Whitehead was a dumbass but that is NOT something you eject a player for. And the personal foul for running in to the kicker? don't get me started on that one.
- Injuries
- I wonder what the Packers record on primie time is the past few years? Maybe its just me but they get a case of the Badgers and pee down their legs in primetime.
Positives
+ 2018 draft class. Alexander, Jackson and MVS. I believe the children are the future..... you know the rest.
+ I have faith that Gute will be as solid at drafting OL, S andLB in 2019.
+ If he hits in 2019, we could be serious contenders again in 2020 . Should be teams 2nd year under a new coach.
Negatives
- We didn't move all our pending FA losses at the deadline. We should have went full Miami Marlins and sold Cobb / Mathews as well.
- Saints pick is looking like a early 2nd rounder
Positive: none
Negitive: hate waking up the day after a Packer loss, especially living in queen country when they win. 
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Like some of the young players and the defense has improved.
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Offense is a mess and AR isn't playing like the elite player he is.
Another obvious negative but Packers had chances in spite of the turnover and couldn't get it done. Nice goal line stand by the defense and the response from the offense: three and out. Need to at least get a couple first downs to flip the field.
Didn't get to see much of the game again, which unfortunately is getting easier and easier. Though I will probably try to skip through it on the dvr. I actually read more of the game thread than I saw of the game. Sounds like the same themes we've seen all season. This is what I was afraid of back in WK03, hoping they'd clean some of this up. But there are a lot of new faces in new places so that shouldn't be as surprising as it is. The most solid foundational and field tilting piece we have looks like he has some of the same symptoms which is more concerning. Is it the knee? the surrounding cast? the coach?
Pettine is putting up a good fight every week vs. the roman army with a few good men and paper mache shadow puppets. Get him a 3-4 more good players where they need them and that side should be fixed.
Fandame posted:I am officially bored of our offense. I see nothing new any week. It's trot out the same plays week after week, watch them fizzle, and don't make changes. It's frustrating to watch other teams do different things while we do what we do, and it still doesn't work.
I'm right there with you.
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Johnson posted:
- what an undisciplined team. McCarthy is becoming Forrest Gregg. They are finding new and fascinating ways to lose games they should be in.
+ Despite the fumble, Jones looks to be a key part of the offense
- Packers just looked unprepared beginning with the opening kickoff, more silly mistakes, time clock issues, special teams miscues - all goes to the head coach.
- Some nice stops by the defense but BB made them look silly with the gadget plays. Still pretty unsettled.
- The Whitehead thing, WTF, is the league out to get the Packers this year or what?
- Lawrence Guy.... another former Packer cast-off comes back to haunt
Looking at the schedule after the Lions debacle, I had this team at 8-7-1, thinking they could beat Miami, Atlanta, Jets and Lions. Not sure about that anymore.
That string of plays with Patterson at RB looked like BB rubbing it in MM's face. "This is how you use a WR at RB".
+ I thought the defense played well outside the two gadget plays, the Gordon TD (that was weird), and running defense early on. (How many consecutive incompletions did Brady have?)
+ Offensive line especially given the loss of right guard and tackle.
- Don't know why (scheme? Pats secondary so good? our receivers all in all not that good?), but receivers had a hard time getting open. I thought this was the most compelling characteristic of the game. Rodgers often seemed to have little to nothing to throw to. That will make any great QB look less great.
- Run defense really bad early on.
-King hurt (again).
Was there only one TO in the entire game? That is what the game turned on. But, one turnover for an entire game isn't horrible.
Packers seem to have horrible luck.
If a main problem with the passing game is scheme - yeah, it is probably time to let MM go.
Pack very well could have beaten the Rams and were very competitive in this game until fairly late, these being away games to two of the best teams in the league. I think some of the harsh criticism is knee-jerk. More applicable to Redskin and Lion losses.
+++ We did not go 3 and Out after NE scored the TD on the opening drive. Rodgers found MVS twice for nice completions. Jimmy Graham seemed to disappear in the 2nd half. Adams had to work to get open and then NE closed on him quickly when he caught the ball. Aaron Jones got some opportunities to run. Our Defense looked mostly solid in the second half after they figured out the Patterson mystery. The goal line stand was great! Two sacks on Brady. Tramon had a nice tackle on James White near the 5 yard line that White will remember for a while.
---Brady was beatable last night. Our mistakes made him invincible. Whitehead screwing us with that stupid penalty. Add him to the list of players to jettison. Tonyan running into the punter. You could see it coming before the snap! Aaron Jones's fumble turned the tide. There was no coming back after we were tied 17-17 before the fumble. ESB has to hang onto the ball. I thought the NE defender that covered ESB was on him well before the ball got there. No flag. Scott started to punt the ball well, but only late in the game did he connect with some boomers. Tramon's missed tackle on a razzle dazzle NE play hurt. Watching New Orleans dominate the Rams gave me a sinking feeling that the draft pick we get from them in 2019 will be around # 29 or # 30. GB 's play , so far, looks like an upper mid round pick is in the offing. King getting injured (hamstring) again.
+ enough about all this goat talk, ar had some good moments but ne's 12 clearly had either the better game plan, team around him or both.
+ wr's continue to get better, I think mvs, 17 will make 18 expendable
+ defense, in my opinion did well despite the injuries, i was waiting for a collapse but overall I think pettine did well with what he had, which isn't much.
- i believe its mm's time to go, i like this guy, he's a good game clock manager, does good challenges, thinks like that, but the offense really has something wrong with it, it looks like its AR - not sure what the problem is, but 'heavy is the head that wears the crown' - so its time to go
- i am really worried about a new coach's ability to do the above that mm does well
- kevin king is always hurt, 75 is always hurt,
- ref's were deplorable last night - we have to play better - like tonyan, wtf dude, but that should not have been a 15yd penalty
- the team continues to be hard to watch, because you know whats coming
- pass rush and ol is thin
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Is Kevin King ever going to be able to stay on the field for an extended period?
+. We we able to trade Ty instead of cutting him, imagine the outcome if Bill was able to milk him for all of the inside skinny and tendencies that MM was drawing up.....oh, the humanity.
I didn't get to see the whole game, and did catch some of what I didn't watch by hearing it on local Patriots radio broadcast.
- While Pettine has been an improvement over Capers, I wish the adjustments were much quicker. Patterson (WR turned RB) was gouging the defense over and over, and it took too long to adjust the DL to that. Once they did, he was much less of a factor. His hands are tied with no safeties and no OLB pass rush and the D is rarely playing with a lead, but at the end of the day, allowing nearly 30 points a game (save for the horrendous Buffalo offense) will never be a winning formula.
- Much has already been said with the playcalling, but I found it interesting that the Patriots radio broadcast lambasted McCarthy's playcalling at the goal line on the first Packer drive of the game. Scott Zolak, former Pats QB, is pretty colorful and he was ripping MM's playcall choice on 3rd down (short pass to Cobb).
- The OL is a problem. Way too much pressure on Rodgers from a very middling Patriot DL. I saw a comment that Lane Taylor should really be playing the RG spot, but he can't because there is no better option at LG. Bell is not a starting caliber player. And Bulaga is done.
+ Very glad to see Jones get more touches, despite the fumble. I think Guy just made a very good play - the other guys get paid too.
- Cobb looked sssslllooowww. At this point, I would activate Trevor Davis to get him back for special teams and as a 5th receiver who can go deep. Allison can't get back healthy and doesn't offer much more than the young guys are already providing.
+ Glad to see Martinez came back - hopefully he is OK.
+ Defense is improved over Compers. (Don't laugh)...Pettine made adjustments and stopped stuff that was working. D played well enough to win (don't laugh) had the O not perpetually kept stepping on their own dicks.
- OL is a patchwork $hit show. Why do we hang on to Bulaga with his injury problems? Because we have no better solution. That's why the offense is so bad...because they can't reliably protect #12. He takes way too many hits, and must make way too many plays out of necessity. If he had Brady's protection, this team would be 7-1, 6-2 at worst.
- Playcalling. The Pats are not exactly the '75 Steelers....we should have been able to score way more than 17 on them.
+ Juan Valdez-Scatter...With proper seasoning, I believe he has the ability to be a #1 WR for this squad.
+Pettine and all that is emerging from his squad
+Gutes picks
- MM failing inspite of AR12 and good skill players.
michiganjoe posted:+
Like some of the young players and the defense has improved.
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Offense is a mess and AR isn't playing like the elite player he is.
Not meant to be sacrilege, but I agree on the last point. I have been of the mindset that missing most of last year and suffering the knee injury right at the start of this season have been the reason for Rodger's playing a bit down from his previous levels. But, his knee seems to be improving, but his throws don't seem like his typical throws anymore. Very few of his passes seem to have the zip that he used to have on the ball to fit it into tight windows, he seems to float the ball a little more. Wondering if there are any residual effects from his collarbone injury, or even the repair that was done, that have affected his throwing motion.
Yeah, watching Goff yesterday was like Rodgers in a way back machine....
RochNyFan posted:michiganjoe posted:+
Like some of the young players and the defense has improved.
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Offense is a mess and AR isn't playing like the elite player he is.
Not meant to be sacrilege, but I agree on the last point. I have been of the mindset that missing most of last year and suffering the knee injury right at the start of this season have been the reason for Rodger's playing a bit down from his previous levels. But, his knee seems to be improving, but his throws don't seem like his typical throws anymore. Very few of his passes seem to have the zip that he used to have on the ball to fit it into tight windows, he seems to float the ball a little more. Wondering if there are any residual effects from his collarbone injury, or even the repair that was done, that have affected his throwing motion.
Seemed like he had a few short hoppers last night
Pikes Peak posted:+. We we able to trade Ty instead of cutting him, imagine the outcome if Bill was able to milk him for all of the inside skinny and tendencies that MM was drawing up.....oh, the humanity.
You don't need an ex Packer for that. You could go into any household in Green Bay, pull Vern and Fran off the couch, and they could tell you all the tendencies. It is that stale and predictable.
BrainDed posted:Pikes Peak posted:+. We we able to trade Ty instead of cutting him, imagine the outcome if Bill was able to milk him for all of the inside skinny and tendencies that MM was drawing up.....oh, the humanity.
You don't need an ex Packer for that. You could go into any household in Green Bay, pull Vern and Fran off the couch, and they could tell you all the tendencies. It is that stale and predictable.
My point exactly....but I read last week that folks at 1265 were concerned.
AR's mechanics, zip on the ball, and vision seeing the field have gone south. Part of that could be his knee/clavicle, but more likely is that he has just gotten away from having a coach and a system that constantly re-enforces his mechanics as well. He looks less disciplined then he's been in the past.
He's had, what now, 3 different QB coaches in the last 5 years? That's probably not helping. And it's probably not helping that he's in an offensive system/scheme he doesn't much believe in anymore.
Pikes Peak posted:RochNyFan posted:michiganjoe posted:+
Like some of the young players and the defense has improved.
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Offense is a mess and AR isn't playing like the elite player he is.
Not meant to be sacrilege, but I agree on the last point. I have been of the mindset that missing most of last year and suffering the knee injury right at the start of this season have been the reason for Rodger's playing a bit down from his previous levels. But, his knee seems to be improving, but his throws don't seem like his typical throws anymore. Very few of his passes seem to have the zip that he used to have on the ball to fit it into tight windows, he seems to float the ball a little more. Wondering if there are any residual effects from his collarbone injury, or even the repair that was done, that have affected his throwing motion.
Seemed like he had a few short hoppers last night
I mentioned my concern about his throwing ability going forward right after the seriousness of the injury was fully known last year. It might be that it takes a year-plus to fully recover the full ability, maybe not until 2019, if ever. Those type of injuries cannot be predicted as to what impact they will have on a throwing arm.
We have no idea if there is anything at all wrong with AR's arm/shoulder. But shit, Vic Ketchman was very adamant in suggesting the Packers should play out the remainder of AR's contract before re-signing. Implying nobody yet knew if he would return to the level he was at pre-injury. Which was still otherworldly.
excalibur posted:Pikes Peak posted:RochNyFan posted:michiganjoe posted:+
Like some of the young players and the defense has improved.
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Offense is a mess and AR isn't playing like the elite player he is.
Not meant to be sacrilege, but I agree on the last point. I have been of the mindset that missing most of last year and suffering the knee injury right at the start of this season have been the reason for Rodger's playing a bit down from his previous levels. But, his knee seems to be improving, but his throws don't seem like his typical throws anymore. Very few of his passes seem to have the zip that he used to have on the ball to fit it into tight windows, he seems to float the ball a little more. Wondering if there are any residual effects from his collarbone injury, or even the repair that was done, that have affected his throwing motion.
Seemed like he had a few short hoppers last night
I mentioned my concern about his throwing ability going forward right after the seriousness of the injury was fully known last year. It might be that it takes a year-plus to fully recover the full ability, maybe not until 2019, if ever. Those type of injuries cannot be predicted as to what impact they will have on a throwing arm.
Even if this is the new Rodgers, and Godgers only comes out once or twice a season, the contract is still acceptable. In a couple years he will be just an avg paid QB as all the others top his contract.
On the + side, once MVS fills out his frame he could become a beast. Not a lot of 6'-4" 4.37 WR's out there that can catch. Add some beef to help him with jams and contested balls and look out.
There's McGinn. I'm inclined to agree that rather than being a physical issue AR may very well just be suffering from another slump like the one he went through in 2015/2016.
Slump, yes. But I can't recall AR skipping as many throws to receivers as he did last night. He just didn't look comfortable in all of his movements. He'd have a great throw and then average and then a "what the heck was that"? toss. Usually if he misses, he goes high or too far out in front of a guy so it doesn't get picked, but last night he grounded some.