quote:Originally posted by butter:
Who washed his smaller one?
espnpack or krd0012 (sp?) alternated.
quote:Originally posted by Fandame:
Mixed reactions. TT deserves credit. MM is a terrific QB coach. And part of the reason AR fell was because there was some concern about where he held the ball (too high, as per the Tedford system, many said). Some wondered if he could change that (he has) and how it would affect his motion (it didn't). If you remember, in college AR held the ball way up near his ear on his dropback, which could limit some motion in the arm as well as how well the QB can swivel his head to the opposite side of the field.
That's the way I remember it too.
Even back then, I wasn't buying Favre being serious about retiring anytime soon (and this is before his douche-ness began to really assert itself).
I had long thought that Favre would be able to play until at least age 40 if he wanted to simply because of his arm.
By the end of (draft) day one, I decided that it was the right pick simply from a sheer value perspective (worst case scenario you could develop and trade him after three years), and fortunately that turned out to be the case.
Even so, I had no idea that Rodgers would develop into what he has (which is a credit to him and MM's coaching). There isn't a player in the league right now I'd trade him for even up.
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:
No, just the only one I've seen admit it.
And that's what makes him a freakin' rock star.
I personally agree with Fandame and JJSD's take. I wasn't excited per say but definitely thought it was a saavy and appropriate pick. MM does deserve big credit for polishing Rodgers. I think everyone had reservations the first year or two.
quote:Originally posted by El-Ka-Bong:quote:Originally posted by LarseeBear:
On x4sucks you were one of BrINT's biggest ball washers
Ah, the good ol' days. Chicks who had a addadicktomy.
Where we'd be now had the organization bent over for favrt is frightening.
"One more player away.... gotta get me more weapons...One more player away...Javon should honor his contract....I'm not here to teach new quarterbacks...One more player away...".
favrt was hitting on too much of Aunt Granny's shine even back then.
"One more player away.... gotta get me more weapons...One more player away...Javon should honor his contract....I'm not here to teach new quarterbacks...One more player away...".
favrt was hitting on too much of Aunt Granny's shine even back then.
quote:Originally posted by Boris:
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MM was the OC for the niners. Mm is on record as stating he felt Alex smith was the better of the 2 qb's at that time!
It's good though. I think it helped Rodgers be alittle more humble. Aaron realizes that you must work for everything. Maybe the drop to #24 helped him grow as a man.
great post....I agree....I think this is probably the biggest reason for AR's success now....he was humbled and knew he had to work hard, study the game, and listen to the coaches to grow as a player.
Sitting behind Favre for 3 years also helped his growth...making mistakes in pre-season also helped.
When Rodgers came in for Favre in that Dallas game in 2007....I think there was no turning back. He had arrived and was ready.
Without hindsight, I can honestly say I was very glad when they picked ARod simply because of the value he represented where they took him was way too high to pass up. My feeling was that they could always trade him for top talent at a position of need if necessary. He dropped mainly because of circumstances, not his lack of talent. Jump on that value every time, and either develop it or trade it. Especially when its a QB. To be fair, I was excited about Brohm too.
quote:Originally posted by LarseeBear:
sherman was 6-10 that year.
4-12.
6-10 was two years ago.
I won't deny that I was a bit nervous about TT and later MM at first, and that I was a big TOG fan...until the minute he made a liar and a fool out of me (after I told everyone when the subject came up that I really believed he sincerely meant it when he said he had no more to give couldn't do it any more, and told them I was sure he would never come back and talking about such was silly--ha!) I thought he could well lead the Pack to another SB yet at that point.
But I was biting my nails after Rodgers started free-falling hoping like crazy he'd fall as far as the Packers. While I still thought TOG could lead them to the promised land another time or two, I wanted it to continue after he theoretically retired on top like Elway, and felt that Rodgers could well be the "Steve Young" type guy to do it, and that this crazy free-fall was the likeliest way for a team near the top to come up with a top QB like that.
That the excellence of the team would continue post-TOG was way more important to me than one more 'tool' we might have been helped by at the time--guess I never really felt that odds were good that one player could put you that far over, vs. the future of the team at the top positiion for a decade or more--and it looked like we might get a miracle in that department the farther he fell.
Maybe I didn't think AR was Superman every single preseason game I saw him in or anything, but I did always have a lot of high hopes pinned on him that I never gave up on that have been rewarded so far.
But I was biting my nails after Rodgers started free-falling hoping like crazy he'd fall as far as the Packers. While I still thought TOG could lead them to the promised land another time or two, I wanted it to continue after he theoretically retired on top like Elway, and felt that Rodgers could well be the "Steve Young" type guy to do it, and that this crazy free-fall was the likeliest way for a team near the top to come up with a top QB like that.
That the excellence of the team would continue post-TOG was way more important to me than one more 'tool' we might have been helped by at the time--guess I never really felt that odds were good that one player could put you that far over, vs. the future of the team at the top positiion for a decade or more--and it looked like we might get a miracle in that department the farther he fell.
Maybe I didn't think AR was Superman every single preseason game I saw him in or anything, but I did always have a lot of high hopes pinned on him that I never gave up on that have been rewarded so far.
I actually got 22 of the first 25 picks of the 2005 draft correct.
I forget what year it was but I saw AR in a preseason game vs. Tennessee at Lambeau. Favre was still in GB and every time AR came off the field he hung his head and had a kind of "loser" body language on the sideline (at the time V Young was tearing it up). I thought there was no way AR would ever become a great QB in this league. Looking back, that was the moment I stopped guessing anything about a young QB's prospects.
I don't remember too many people being angry about the pick. It was an understandable GM decision, if not a popular short term one.
What I am embarrassed about is not being angry when my hero said about the pick, "I ain't training him, he can learn by watching me like everyone else."
Should have had a clue way back then.
What I am embarrassed about is not being angry when my hero said about the pick, "I ain't training him, he can learn by watching me like everyone else."
Should have had a clue way back then.
lots of people we angry
I don't know if I was "mad", just shaking my head and wanting Marlin Jackson so bad. After a while, I came to accept the pick, meanwhile wondering how picking Nick Collins and bypassing Darryl Blackstock was going to help this team.
I was at the preseason game at Buffalo that year, and thinking "If Favre goes down, we are toast." He wasn't bad, just wildly inconsistent, and for some reason Chad Lucas was his favorite target, even though he made Ben Steele look like Jermichael.
We were toast anyway that year. Lucas is gone, Favre is gone, and I couldn't be happier with our QB.
I was at the preseason game at Buffalo that year, and thinking "If Favre goes down, we are toast." He wasn't bad, just wildly inconsistent, and for some reason Chad Lucas was his favorite target, even though he made Ben Steele look like Jermichael.
We were toast anyway that year. Lucas is gone, Favre is gone, and I couldn't be happier with our QB.
is there anyway of pulling up the AR draft pick thread?
quote:Originally posted by barrister:
Agreed. I wouldn't trade him for any other QB in the game. He is going to be a super star for 10+ years. And I firmly believe that he will win a Super Bowl...I want to say multiple SBs, but I realize how difficult that is to do.
Really? After criticizing Rodgers continuously, and even starting threads elsewhere screaming how Rodgers isn't clutch, now you believe (firmly I might add) he will win a Super Bowl?
I know that the archives here are scrubbed, but I have the link to the threads I mention.
I am enjoying seeing your turnaround though, and can only hope that I played a small role in you seeing the error of your ways.
Now, granted, it is quite disingenuous for you to be making the statements you are making here in this thread, but it's easy to see you'd make them assuming no one can use the search functionality on zbrettes.
What if Rodgers was Latino? Would we all really love him this much?
"Really? After criticizing Rodgers continuously, and even starting threads elsewhere screaming how Rodgers isn't clutch, now you believe (firmly I might add) he will win a Super Bowl?
I know that the archives here are scrubbed, but I have the link to the threads I mention.
I am enjoying seeing your turnaround though, and can only hope that I played a small role in you seeing the error of your ways.
Now, granted, it is quite disingenuous for you to be making the statements you are making here in this thread, but it's easy to see you'd make them assuming no one can use the search functionality on zbrettes."
A liar should have a good memory.
-Quintilian, De Institutione Oratoria
I know that the archives here are scrubbed, but I have the link to the threads I mention.
I am enjoying seeing your turnaround though, and can only hope that I played a small role in you seeing the error of your ways.
Now, granted, it is quite disingenuous for you to be making the statements you are making here in this thread, but it's easy to see you'd make them assuming no one can use the search functionality on zbrettes."
A liar should have a good memory.
-Quintilian, De Institutione Oratoria
quote:Originally posted by pablopackerfan:
What if Rodgers was Latino? Would we all really love him this much?
If his schnozz was smaller he would be irresistable.
I was OK with ARod at the time.....but this is the guy we should have taken
Whoever that is, someone needs to throw a bucket of water on his left arm.
Heck, mix in some PCP and pull it off.
quote:Originally posted by pablopackerfan:
What if Rodgers was Latino? Would we all really love him this much?
I'd probably check his green card first.
quote:Originally posted by Henry:
I wasn't excited per say but definitely thought it was a saavy and appropriate pick. MM does deserve big credit for polishing Rodgers. I think everyone had reservations the first year or two.
Per 'say' Cap'n? Tighten up.
That's about how I remember feeling. It isn't all THAT different than this year. Bulaga was an upper echelon OL in most people's estimation that dropped a bit. No, GB didn't have the need for a starter there but could you pass it up? An impact S or CB, pass-rusher would've been nice but it was the less sexy/right call I think.
GB didn't need a QB then necessarily and they were a good team but how could you pass up a guy who at least SOME teams believed could be a good starting QB? Teams/coaches have pressure to win sooner rather than later and most teams in that draft had QB's...so he slid. You still have to give TT credit for taking a guy they didn't NEED over a position player that might've helped them short-term.
Agreed also credit to McC/Rodgers himself. Anyone remember that 2005 BAL game? BAL was a defensive juggernaut...Rodgers looked completely lost - the game just seemed way too fast for him and he looked like a guy w/ no awareness at all. My how things have changed.
It goes to show you maybe moreso at QB than anywhere sometimes time to develop makes all the difference. Can you imagine AR having to start as a rook? Sure, maybe he would've come around...but maybe he would've never realized his now apparent potential.
quote:Originally posted by Henry:quote:Originally posted by pablopackerfan:
What if Rodgers was Latino? Would we all really love him this much?
I'd probably check his green card first.
He could afford the $500k investment to buy one...no worries.
quote:Originally posted by LSU4GB:quote:Originally posted by Henry:
I wasn't excited per say but definitely thought it was a saavy and appropriate pick. MM does deserve big credit for polishing Rodgers. I think everyone had reservations the first year or two.
Per 'say' Cap'n? Tighten up.
Dink. I forgot my Centrum Silver that day. Horrible. I find myself making more and more little mistakes like that. I WAS THE SECOND GRADE SPELLING CHAMPION DAMN IT!
If A-Rodriquez was Latino they'd be selling foam Taco hats by now.
quote:Originally posted by chickenboy:
is there anyway of pulling up the AR draft pick thread?
Boris told me in order to do that, it would require an obscure Santeria ceremony where the head of a chicken is cut off as well as $1000.
If you want to volunteer and send Boris a check I'd support your decision 100%.
quote:Originally posted by Coach:quote:Originally posted by chickenboy:
is there anyway of pulling up the AR draft pick thread?
Boris told me in order to do that, it would require an obscure Santeria ceremony where the head of a chicken is cut off as well as $1000.
I might have been willing to help but I suspect Pablo would be involved so I pass.
No need to be so terrified of me, 
. Hurting you doesn't hold any flavor for me. Doing that would be like throwing away my favorite rattlesnake mojo curio.
I may be Mexican but I'm no heathen.
I may be Mexican but I'm no heathen.
Uh yeah...no.
Boo!
Boo!
I remember tracking AR's freefall on tv and having mixed feelings about the pick thinking Favre doesn't have too many years left. But I soon realized it was smart long-term pick even if it was about as exciting as an O lineman in the "win now" sweepstakes.
I agree that was start of new era w/ TT blazing his own trail. Also give props to MM for QB development as both AR and Flynn have been well groomed under his watch.
I agree that was start of new era w/ TT blazing his own trail. Also give props to MM for QB development as both AR and Flynn have been well groomed under his watch.