Beyond GB, we will create a catch-all thread of NFL going's on in 2025.
Brian Gutekunst almost had Khalil Mack as his Reggie White. Now, Mack could be his Julius Peppers. https://t.co/1LLG0OUelb
â Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) January 22, 2025
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If Mack can be Gute's Peppers, who is going to be Gute's CM3? It'd get the CM3 first.
Which Mack are we getting.
@YATittle posted:Cooper
Though CM3 didn't move to ILB until half way through the 2014 season, there are some potential parallels to a Cooper/Mack combo. I'm too lazy to look up CM3's pash rushing stats at ILB vs OLB but I think Mack needs pass rush to come from somewhere other than him for him to be maximized. I don't know that counting on Cooper for that kind of regular pass rush is a solid plan.
I think they either need another, better edge rusher, either through FA or the draft to be opposite a guy like Mack. Gute nabbed both Smiths in one offseason so I guess you never know.
Kiperâs first mock has us taking an edge rusher.
Mel must not know we flipped to a 4-3 from a decade+ of 3-4...
Sun Belt ain't exactly the B1G or SEC. If he had played against better talent he might be worth a 1st round.
@Pikes Peak posted:Which Mack are we getting.
I'd be fine with this version of Mack:
#jeeperscreepers #creepaf
@Packy posted:Kiperâs first mock has us taking an edge rusher.
An undersized, bendy edge rusher would certainly be a change up.
Isn't Mack turning 34? if so, hard pass.
He will be 34 before the 2025 regular season starts. It also isn't a great sign that there are articles today saying "Mack decides to play again in 25". There are outliers like Julius Peppers and Calais Campbell but there aren't many good EDGE guys in their mid 30's.
@ammo posted:Sun Belt ain't exactly the B1G or SEC. If he had played against better talent he might be worth a 1st round.
Their can be exceptions like Khalil Mack who was a 1st rounder out of Buffalo. Maxx Crosby was from a smaller school too (not a 1st rounder though).
Mack is still playing at a high level and would instantly be our best edge player. He played a higher percentage of snaps than Gary did this year and was PFF's 5th rated edge. He plays the run very well and would not be a "situational pass rusher". Peppers was 34 when we signed him .....you guys are crazy to not want him.
The big question in my mind is him taking time to decide his future. As they say, once you start thinking about retirement as an athlete you should just retire. Plus, he might be tough to get. I think the chargers have more cap space than the Packers. Not to mention playing in the cold.
The answer to all questions is money, as in how much
Not endorsing it, but he's played in the cold in Chicago before. It should not be a problem for him.
And Buffalo in college.
Peppers had CM3 opposite him. Who will Mack have? It's not just about Mack.
@DocBenni posted:The big question in my mind is him taking time to decide his future. As they say, once you start thinking about retirement as an athlete you should just retire. Plus, he might be tough to get. I think the chargers have more cap space than the Packers. Not to mention playing in the cold.
If heâs trying to decide if he wants to go 100% all in for one more season, and the answer is yes, and heâs open to coming to Titletown, then Iâd be ok with him taking some time to decide.
Thatâs a lot of âifsâ though.
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â BIG SARGE MEDIA LLC (@BigSargeSportz) January 22, 2025
They fined Joe Mixon for saying "You can't leave it in the refs hands"
NFLFU, what do you expect ð ð
@Boris posted:They fined Joe Mixon for saying "You can't leave it in the refs hands"
The new fine disciplines Mixon for saying this:
âEverybody knows how it is playing up here. You can never leave it in the refsâ hands. The whole world see, man.â
That's a damned shame.
Players know they're subject to being fined if they criticize the refs (among others), yet media insists on baiting them, and they're hooked if they answer.
It's not fair, especially when truth is spoken, but that's the system.
This sets up a pretty interesting dilemma.
If sufficient pressure can applied to force some change, where would it come from?
The networks care only about ratings, and I don't think sponsors have a vested interest because those ratings determine their advertising strategy, not the outcome of games.
The NFLPA can't do anything unless it is collectively bargained and that's not likely to happen.
Independent sports media doesn't have the audience or dollars to have an affect.
That may leave the gambling industry. They have a vested interest, and the money (power) to influence change. I'm not sure they would want to give up any control they may already have, but money talks.
One thing I will say is if refereeing controversy was a hinderance to foreign/overseas expansion of league games, Goodell would have a plan of action implemented by the next day.
MLF was fined $64,000 for comments he made after the no call on the helmet to helmet and then the alleged fumble recovery by Eagles. NFLRA President Carl Paganelli sent a âseven wordâ text and a $64,000 fine when publicly criticizing head coach Matt LaFleur for violating the rule.
@Timmy! posted:That's a damned shame.
Players know they're subject to being fined if they criticize the refs (among others), yet media insists on baiting them, and they're hooked if they answer.
It's not fair, especially when truth is spoken, but that's the system.
This sets up a pretty interesting dilemma.
If sufficient pressure can applied to force some change, where would it come from?
The networks care only about ratings, and I don't think sponsors have a vested interest because those ratings determine their advertising strategy, not the outcome of games.
The NFLPA can't do anything unless it is collectively bargained and that's not likely to happen.
Independent sports media doesn't have the audience or dollars to have an affect.
That may leave the gambling industry. They have a vested interest, and the money (power) to influence change. I'm not sure they would want to give up any control they may already have, but money talks.
One thing I will say is if refereeing controversy was a hinderance to foreign/overseas expansion of league games, Goodell would have a plan of action implemented by the next day.
And won't the team, and maybe the League, fine/penalize players, if they refuse to talk to the media?
I feel bad for the Bills players this week. You know they are getting all kinds of questions about the officiating, and they know what's coming (as we all do) but they can't say a word.
@FLPACKER posted:Mack is still playing at a high level and would instantly be our best edge player. He played a higher percentage of snaps than Gary did this year and was PFF's 5th rated edge. He plays the run very well and would not be a "situational pass rusher". Peppers was 34 when we signed him .....you guys are crazy to not want him.
Guten-Gator is not signing a 33 year old going on 34 rusher that is winding down in his career.
@R MaN posted:Guten-Gator is not signing a 33 year old going on 34 rusher that is winding down in his career.
He would if he would sign for 6-8 million on a one year deal. JJ Watt was in this same situation about 5 years ago. He was a cap casualty in Houston and there were a lot of rumors of him "coming home to Wisconsin" to help a Packers team who had been to the NFC title game get over the hump and make a Super Bowl. He supposedly was going to sign for a small amount of money. He had already made 100 million in his career.
Instead of signing with the 13-3 Packers for 5 million or so, he signed with the 8-8 Cardinals for 29 million over 2 years.
Khalil Mack has made 170 million in his career, but if he plays again it's not going to be for the Packers at even 10 million next year. It's going to be for someone who will overpay him an amount of money that should be for a full-time Pro Bowler.
It's almost always about the money even for guys that have multi-generational wealth. And I guess I can't blame them, most of us would make the same decision for tens of millions of dollars.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:He would if he would sign for 6-8 million on a one year deal. JJ Watt was in this same situation about 5 years ago. He was a cap casualty in Houston and there were a lot of rumors of him "coming home to Wisconsin" to help a Packers team who had been to the NFC title game get over the hump and make a Super Bowl. He supposedly was going to sign for a small amount of money. He had already made 100 million in his career.
Instead of signing with the 13-3 Packers for 5 million or so, he signed with the 8-8 Cardinals for 29 million over 2 years.
Khalil Mack has made 170 million in his career, but if he plays again it's not going to be for the Packers at even 10 million next year. It's going to be for someone who will overpay him an amount of money that should be for a full-time Pro Bowler.
It's almost always about the money even for guys that have multi-generational wealth. And I guess I can't blame them, most of us would make the same decision for tens of millions of dollars.
And at the end of his career hard pass for me
That's why when you see posts from any teams fans that say " I'd take a flyer on him if he comes cheap" or "Resign him if his contract demands are reasonable" are pipe dreams. 99 out of 100 players demands aren't reasonable.
