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"Coach Mike McCarthy discusses the second-year jump more than anything each off-season." http://www.jsonline.com/sports...396z1-262470291.html

 

The 2014 picks were HaHa, Davante, Richard Rodgers, [Khyri Thorton], [Carl Bradford], Cory Linsley, Jared Abbredaris, Demetri Goodson, and Jeff Janis.

 

HaHa has played about the same as last season, OK but not great. Davante has regressed and not from a very high level. Richard Rodgers looks like he will never be anything but average (except maybe within the 5-yard line), Linsley's downfall is just shocking to me, Abbredaris has done nothing other than a little today, Goodson is nothing but a STs guy, and Janis is well Janis. What happened to the 2014 draft class that looked so promising last season? Where are the 2nd year jumps? And what happened to Jayrone Elliott? He was "jumping" early in the season, but he has disappeared the last several weeks. Bizarre.

 

GB is an almost exclusively draft and develop team. There seemed to be quite a bit of talent on display with the rookie class last season, but they seem to have all stayed the same or taken a step back with their performances this season. Are the coaches not upholding their end of the bargain by failing to develop TT's draft picks?

 

 

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The Packers do have a series of problems. First and foremost they have a defensive coordinator  who should of been fired years ago.  They have a bunch of players having down years. They have a core bunch of slow receivers (by NFL standards)  that the QB and Coach are willing to use.  The two fast guys are being ignored. They really miss Jordy because he was a fast guy Rodgers was willing to use. But most of all they have a defensive Coordinator who should of been canned years ago. And they have a bunch of injuries.
 
And one final comment in case I miss it, they have a defensive coordinator who should of been canned years ago.
 
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Originally Posted by SteveLuke:

"Coach Mike McCarthy discusses the second-year jump more than anything each off-season." http://www.jsonline.com/sports...396z1-262470291.html

 

The 2014 picks were HaHa, Davante, Richard Rodgers, [Khyri Thorton], [Carl Bradford], Cory Linsley, Jared Abbredaris, Demetri Goodson, and Jeff Janis.

 

HaHa has played about the same as last season, OK but not great. Davante has regressed and not from a very high level. Richard Rodgers looks like he will never be anything but average (except maybe within the 5-yard line), Linsley's downfall is just shocking to me, Abbredaris has done nothing other than a little today, Goodson is nothing but a STs guy, and Janis is well Janis. What happened to the 2014 draft class that looked so promising last season? Where are the 2nd year jumps? And what happened to Jayrone Elliott? He was "jumping" early in the season, but he has disappeared the last several weeks. Bizarre.

 

GB is an almost exclusively draft and develop team. There seemed to be quite a bit of talent on display with the rookie class last season, but they seem to have all stayed the same or taken a step back with their performances this season. Are the coaches not upholding their end of the bargain by failing to develop TT's draft picks?

 

I agree with your post SteveLuke.

 

As I see it the problem is in one or more of several areas;

 

Talent evaluation--Poor Scouting, coaches have input on draft picks also and TT ultimately makes the selection.

 

Instruction--Coaches not doing their jobs because of lack of communication skills or lack of coaches knowledge of the game.

 

No motivation--players not properly motivated, low morale because of coaching or management decisions and practices.

 

Whatever it is MM has once again blamed the players and taken NO responsibility as the head coach or placed any responsibility on the coaching staff. Having worked for for folks like that and seen the snafus they create but fail to own up to it plain to see that MM does not understand what it takes to be a leader, that is the ability to admit when one has made a mistake or is at fault, partially or fully. 

 

 

 

HHCD I thought bounced back from the last 2 weeks and played OK. His INT was a key reason we were still in this schit show.

 

Abby when healthy can be a productive WR. It's just f'in ridiculous that this coaching staff took 9 weeks to finally get him involved when nearly every WR has struggled getting separation. I cannot stand how fu***** stubborn and set in their ways McStupid face and Co can sometimes be.

 

Linsley has been fine minus the mass Xanax fest this entire team has been feasting on the last 3 weeks.  The OL played better but really you have to consider who they played.

 

Rich Rod just runs in cement. And sadly you can't teach speed. You either have it or you don't. He clearly doesn't.

 

Looking to the 2016 needs, top of the list IMO will be Tackle, TE, ILB (yet again) and OLB (Peppers is done and way overpaid).

 

The secondary's future looks very bright. TT I think found a hell of a player in Randall.

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Agree that the 2014 draft class has really disappointed after looking good their rookie years.

 

Linsley had a good rookie year, but for whatever reason, he really took a step back this season. 

 

Clinton-Dix showed some promise as a rookie, but he definitely has not taken a step forward.  I don't think he's awful, but I don't think you can say he's good either.  He just misses way too many tackles and just seems to get caught out of position too much to be considered good at this point. 

 

Adams was considered to be one of the most improved guys during the off-season, but it hasn't translated on the field.  He just seems to have trouble getting separation, and even when he does get that separation, he isn't consistent catching the ball.  I would not be shocked to see Montgomery when healthy end up passing up Adams.  Montgomery to me looks like a better football player when healthy.

 

I agree that Rich Rodgers the more he is on the field the more you realize that he's a guy you only really might want in there in the Red Zone.  In the Red Zone his lack of speed isn't quite as much of a liability and his sure hands can be capitalized on.   He's got to get much much better as a blocker before you would even dream about him being a quality starting TE.  At present, he's really a role player forced to play much more than he should.

Originally Posted by packerboi:
Looking to the 2016 needs, top of the list IMO will be T...... ILB (yet again) .......

 

 

This.....and it's not Capers fault, McCarthy's fault, the positional coaches' fault, the offense's fault, Slowdum's fault, Zook's fault, Campen's fault, Rodger's fault or anyone else not without the initials TT.

 

ILB has been the bane of this defense for this entire management team's regime.  And the only plausible solution was to take the team's BEST defensive player and move him, thus weakening a position of strength. 

 

The QB is the, well, QB on offense.  And the MLB, in most defenses, is the QB on defense.  An OC can't run an effective offense with crap behind Center.  And I'd imagine a DC can't run an effective defense with crap at MLB.  The Packers don't need a ProBowler there, but something slightly more than serviceable would be great.  And that position has been a sh!tshow since before AJ Hawk arrived in town.

 

Maybe they can draft and develop a MLB over the next couple of years.  But I hope the scouting and pick work out.  Otherwise, more years of AR's career go by the wayside with a glaring hole on defense.

 

 

Originally Posted by packerboi:

 

Abby when healthy can be a productive WR. It's just f'in ridiculous that this coaching staff took 9 weeks to finally get him involved when nearly every WR has struggled getting separation. I cannot stand how fu***** stubborn and set in their ways McStupid face and Co can sometimes be.

 

 

I'm as big of a MM supporter as anyone, but this is one of his biggest flaws, IMO. He's got a system and he sticks to the system. Say what you want about Belichick, but he's adaptable; he has no system. He finds ways to succeed and win championships. MM's system won him a Super Bowl and he's been married to that same system ever since; unchanging.

 

I don't know what else has to happen to make this more obvious but they've got to make some fundamental changes. Let me be clear, I'm not saying they should fire anyone. Just change what their doing at the most basic levels. I refuse to believe a coach like MM is unable to change, but he's not shown that he's willing to.

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It's clear that plan was to feature Adams yesterday. It was a utter failure. 79 yards on 20 targets. I don't remember him breaking a single tackle and while Rodgers could have thrown the ball better on the 2 point conversion (even though he was about to get blasted by the unblocked blitzer), a tough WR snatches the ball it that situation.
 
Maybe he's still not right physically, but Adams was soft as Charmin yesterday and then lost composure and got a dumb penalty to top it off. If Abby is healthy, I'd bench Adams and play Abby. At least he'd break some tackles. The typical play to Adams yesterday was a throw to a spot where he'd have the CB one on one and he'd dive forward for 3-4 yards. Heck, even James Jones will break a tackle and get a first down on some of those.
Originally Posted by PackLandVA:
Originally Posted by packerboi:.

 

Maybe they can draft and develop a MLB over the next couple of years.  But I hope the scouting and pick work out.  Otherwise, more years of AR's career go by the wayside with a glaring hole on defense.

 

 

You could write the last sentence as "Otherwise, more years of AR's career go by the wayside with a glaring hole at tight end."

 

When teams are manhandling your WRs, you need your TE to step up and be an outlet. RichRod is not that guy. He's a decent 2nd TE you play in the red zone.

 

Perillo looked good. At least he can run away from a LB (heck, I'm not sure RichRod could run away from BJ Raji). Play Perillo and use RichRod as the second TE in the red zone.

 

If they feature Adams and RichRod (at least outside the red zone) again next week, I'm turning off the TV.

MP

 

Every team is gonna have some holes/positions of need for improvement.  And TE is an area on the Packers.  But they have the offensive firepower to put up points without an explosive TE. 

 

MLB is arguably the most important position on defense.  And it's been a void for a really, really long time.  And its affected the defense, the outcomes of games in the playoffs and, ultimately, the success of this franchise with one of the greatest QBs of all time.  And that's a shame.

I can't harp on play calling a lot.  There were at least 3 and possibly 4 or 5 times when the play was there for the taking.  Plays that would have grabbed a lot of real estate.  AR missed them or they dropped the ball.  That ain't on Clements or MM. 

But there is a whole ton of suck going around on O these days so nobody's really without blame.

Originally Posted by Tdog:

I can't harp on play calling a lot.  There were at least 3 and possibly 4 or 5 times when the play was there for the taking.  Plays that would have grabbed a lot of real estate.  AR missed them or they dropped the ball.  That ain't on Clements or MM. 

But there is a whole ton of suck going around on O these days so nobody's really without blame.

I'd add to that by saying there were many opportunities when guys had one on one matchups and just couldn't break a tackle. You don't expect to win every one of those, but once in a while you just have to make a guy miss. When's the last time that happened - maybe on some of Starks' screens? I can't remember that happening once yesterday for a WR or TE. At best it was catch the ball and fall forward.  

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