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Originally Posted by Hungry5:
 
Kaepernik beat them in the middle of the D - the why has been well documented. Now let's see if the Packers respond to the deficiency.
 
 

That's the whole problem IMO. The Packers "response" to this deficiency will be to create an entire new deficiency. At this point I have such little faith in Capers ability to out-scheme Harbaugh and Roman. He had all off-season to come up with a plan, and all he did was sell out against the read option while giving up easy passes vs. the zone. If they meet again, how can anyone have confidence that Capers will figure this out. Yes, they are tough to stop. But it's not impossible...I assure you other teams this year will find a way to control CK's read option game without going to a soft zone and giving up 200+ yards to Boldin.

 

The only silver lining is that you have Rodgers, who basically keeps you in every game single handedly. That seems to be their plan against an elite team like SF...hope the offense plays near flawless and you get a few bounces/luck to win.

 

Originally Posted by Rockin' Robin:
Originally Posted by Hungry5:
 
Kaepernik beat them in the middle of the D - the why has been well documented. Now let's see if the Packers respond to the deficiency.
 

The Packers "response" to this deficiency will be to create an entire new deficiency.  

 

What are the winning Power-Ball numbers for Wednesday? Thanks...

 

Originally Posted by Hungry5:
 

What are the winning Power-Ball numbers for Wednesday? Thanks...

 

Don't know. But the odds of me winning it are about the same as the odds of Capers outcoaching Harbaugh/Roman next time around.

Don't know. But the odds of me winning it are about the same as the odds of Capers outcoaching Harbaugh/Roman next time around.

 

Rusty goes to all that trouble to make a thread for you, and you don't even use it.

 

Ingrate.

 

The Ravens gave up 510 yards to Manning and the Broncos.

The Packers gave up 494 yards to Kaepernik and the 9ers.

The Cowboys gave up 478 yards to Manning and the Giants.

The Falcons gave up 419 yards to Brees and the Saints.

 

These 8 teams are all playoff caliber teams. It's an offensive league, get used to it.

49'ers and Packers each allowed 6.6 yards per play yesterday. 49'ers ran 17 more plays. In part due to a few too many 3 and outs by GB and more directly related to 2 really bad turnovers by the Packers. SF ran 10 plays and scored 7 points off those turnovers.

 

Flip the turnovers and GB likely wins the game.

Great post Hungry. I don't know why people put so much stock in stats like that. The only stat that matters is the score. The Packers lost by 6, not 16, not 26. Does anyone care that their defense gave up 385 yards, 3.3 yard per rush which was a full yard better than what GB's D gave up, and San Fran's D gave up the same amount of TD's that GB's D did? The difference was 2 FG's, but Kaepernick definitely dominated to the point where he can talk trash. I love the people saying Kaeperdick can talk trash because he won the game, but what would those same people have said if Rodgers was talking trash about all the opponents he dominated? They would have called him unprofessional or said he opened himself up to retaliation or that he needed to shut up. I don't get this defeatist attitude when talking about the 49ers.

To me, the GBP 3-and-outs yesterday hurt more than anything. Rodgers said so himself. That lack of execution caused: the T.O.P. difference; the D to be on the field too much; limits the offensive options; breaks the O's rhythm... so many things. Even with a 2-0 turnover difference the Packers had the ball at the end.

 

That is a very good post.
 
IMHO, Kaepernick was the best player on the field yesterday (and might have also been the best athlete). 
 
But, he was also helped by an outstanding support cast. Some of Boldin's catches were unbelievable - just like in his playoff run, where he made Flacco look better than he is.
 
Originally Posted by Grave Digger:

Great post Hungry. I don't know why people put so much stock in stats like that. The only stat that matters is the score. The Packers lost by 6, not 16, not 26. Does anyone care that their defense gave up 385 yards, 3.3 yard per rush which was a full yard better than what GB's D gave up, and San Fran's D gave up the same amount of TD's that GB's D did? The difference was 2 FG's, but Kaepernick definitely dominated to the point where he can talk trash. I love the people saying Kaeperdick can talk trash because he won the game, but what would those same people have said if Rodgers was talking trash about all the opponents he dominated? They would have called him unprofessional or said he opened himself up to retaliation or that he needed to shut up. I don't get this defeatist attitude when talking about the 49ers.

 

Originally Posted by Ryan Grant:
Originally Posted by bubbleboy789:

       

I have confidence in my team. Not sure how that makes me a Vikings fan. 

 

Keep whining. There's a thread for that.

How am I whining? Just bothers me to see Packer "fans" that are homers and don't have a clue. It's embarrassing

 You said the 49ers were on a different level than the Packers. I disagreed. Sorry if that makes me a homer and an embarrassment. 

 

We'll see how many posts you make next week after the win. 

Thing is, junior, AR probably wouldn't use that opportunity the way CK did.  When your all-pro OL gives you 7 seconds to prance around behind the LOS while waiting for your one good WR to get open, you should probably shift the credit off yourself and onto them.  And when you (CK) crow about intimidation not being effective after repeatedly sliding 5+ yds from contact, you're just being a puss.

Originally Posted by Fandame:

If we put ANY pressure on CK when he's back to pass, we win. Our front D did a great job against the run until very late in the game, but couldn't generate a pass rush for crap. It's all well and good and you can talk all you want when you can stand in the pocket and pick apart a secondary missing two top guys, but if he would have had someone in his face all day I think he would have kept his mouth shut. 

 

 

Isn't this the point of the read-option?  You come with pressure, and don't hold the ends, the RB/QB can get around the corner and your toast.  So, basically, any pressure needs to come from the NT or front 3, which I am sure can produce pressure every now and then, but not every down.  

Originally Posted by bubbleboy789:
Originally Posted by Ryan Grant:
Originally Posted by bubbleboy789:

       

I have confidence in my team. Not sure how that makes me a Vikings fan. 

 

Keep whining. There's a thread for that.

How am I whining? Just bothers me to see Packer "fans" that are homers and don't have a clue. It's embarrassing

 You said the 49ers were on a different level than the Packers. I disagreed. Sorry if that makes me a homer and an embarrassment. 

 

We'll see how many posts you make next week after the win. 

YES let's get that win next week and move forward!!!

Originally Posted by Hungry5:

Ah, so you can see the future with football but not the lottery. Got it.

 

 

You don't need to see the future to know that wiseass questions will receive wiseass responses.

 

I do agree with you that it is an offense dominated league. You're right -- plenty of other teams struggle to control high powered offenses. And you can add the Falcons and Ravens from last years playoffs against the 49ers as well.

 

But what I find demoralizing is how easy it is and how Roman/Harbaugh have so thoroughly outschemed Capers the last three meetings. You can just imagine those two smirking as GB sends everyone to bone up on the read-option and they are just content to sit back and run crossing routes all game against soft zone coverage. CK didn't slide on those plays because he'a wuss...he did it because he didn't need to fight for extra yards. He could just drop back and throw for 10 yards attempt on the next play.

 

Bill Barnwell put it best in his column today -- those two are simply a step ahead of the Packers. And until that changes, GB pretty much needs a near perfect game from the offense and special teams to beat SF. That didn't happen yesterday -- although I think the offense still played pretty damn well.

Originally Posted by Hungry5:

To me, the GBP 3-and-outs yesterday hurt more than anything.

 

Agree completely with this. Thirteen possessions and six where the chains weren't moved- five three and outs and the Lacy fumble. 

 

A horrible defensive performance and I understand why people are focusing there, but if the offense plays just marginally better they very well may have won the game. When the defense is playing that poorly the offense needs to stay on the field and they didn't do it.

Originally Posted by Rockin' Robin:

That's the whole problem IMO. The Packers "response" to this deficiency will be to create an entire new deficiency. At this point I have such little faith in Capers ability to out-scheme Harbaugh and Roman. He had all off-season to come up with a plan, and all he did was sell out against the read option while giving up easy passes vs. the zone. If they meet again, how can anyone have confidence that Capers will figure this out. Yes, they are tough to stop. But it's not impossible...I assure you other teams this year will find a way to control CK's read option game without going to a soft zone and giving up 200+ yards to Boldin.

 

The only silver lining is that you have Rodgers, who basically keeps you in every game single handedly. That seems to be their plan against an elite team like SF...hope the offense plays near flawless and you get a few bounces/luck to win.

 

 

This sums up the team perfectly.   I have zero confidence in Capers ability.  He has been out done at an embarrassing level by these guys twice now.    Good news, the Rookie tackle held his own so the offense can still keep us in any game. 

Originally Posted by Ryan Grant:

The bottom line is that SF is simply a better team than GB at this point. It's close, but they are clearly better regardless of injuries, etc.. If Burnett (a slightly better than average safety, and Crabtee-a better than average WR) both played today-we have been beaten by a larger margin

 

Bull$hit

 

Give me back Burnett & Bulaga, We'll give them Crabtree then let's talk.

 

Having Burnett back there would have never resulted in 200 yds by Boldin & the only reason they were able to exploit the deep middle is because they have the best O-Line in the league.

 

We didn't get it done yesterday after turning the ball over TWICE. They had to play perfect football & got all the bounces yesterday. We lost by 6 late in the 4th. Yeah call me crazy but I'm ok where the Green Bay Packers are at.

SF won the game. I guarantee you no ones sitting around SF's facility today thinking they cruised to a comfortable victory like it's being made out to be. They know they were in a scrap yesterday and needed a clean game to beat GB. They got it done.

 

I have no issue having to face them again in January. Key for GB right now is to tighten some s**t up and string some wins together.

 

Go Pack! 

I think if we played this game again next week, Capers would play it a little different. San Fran is a run first team and Capers resolved to make Kaeperdick beat the Packers with his arm. He contained the run by playing Zone Coverage the whole game and unfortunately a veteran WR like Boldin knows how to find the holes in Zone Coverage and they exploited the inexperienced Safeties. I think he played Zone because I don't think he had full confidence that his front 6/7 would be able to contain Kaep, so he sold out. The Packers front 6/7 was up to the challenge though aside from a couple bad Mike Neal plays. If we played them next Sunday, you better believe Capers would turn Williams and Shields loose on these receivers and let the DL do it's containment. In other words, exactly how they played Mike Vick in the 2010 playoffs. Kaepernick wouldn't be nearly as successful if Tramon and Shields could have played their game. 

 

Originally Posted by ChilliJon:

SF won the game. I guarantee you no ones sitting around SF's facility today thinking they cruised to a comfortable victory like it's being made out to be. They know they were in a scrap yesterday and needed a clean game to beat GB. They got it done.

 

I think Rodgers and that offense scares the crap out of them (as they should). I think they don't bat an eye at the defense though. I think those two were just smirking all off-season as GB was sending guys down to Texas A&M. They are just a step or two ahead of the Packer coaching staff on that match-up.

Originally Posted by Grave Digger:

I think if we played this game again next week, Capers would play it a little different. San Fran is a run first team and Capers resolved to make Kaeperdick beat the Packers with his arm. He contained the run by playing Zone Coverage the whole game and unfortunately a veteran WR like Boldin knows how to find the holes in Zone Coverage and they exploited the inexperienced Safeties. I think he played Zone because I don't think he had full confidence that his front 6/7 would be able to contain Kaep, so he sold out. The Packers front 6/7 was up to the challenge though aside from a couple bad Mike Neal plays. If we played them next Sunday, you better believe Capers would turn Williams and Shields loose on these receivers and let the DL do it's containment.  


I totally agree with the quoted part of your post. But that's the problem I have with Capers. It's great to make game-to-game adjustments like they did last year with Peterson in the playoffs. But it sure would be better if Capers could make an in-game adjustment. At halftime, how does he not adjust and show some man looks with Boldin?

You're just putting yourself at a tremendous disadvantage when you go with the same approach all game long and not mix things up, especially when the results demand that you do. That's what got Bob Sanders a ticket out of town.

Honestly, I'm beginning to think Dom Capers is the defensive counterpart to Mike Martz. Two guys who were terrific coordinators at one point, but really seemed unable to adapt as the game evolved, both in a macro sense and certainly within games.

" It's great to make game-to-game adjustments like they did last year with Peterson in the playoffs. But it sure would be better if Capers could make an in-game adjustment. At halftime, how does he not adjust and show some man looks with Boldin?"

Exactly... Yes, you stopped the run game, congrats, however, you are getting lit up on the score board.   Time to try something different perhaps?  Negative, continue with soft zones and let them march down the field to the tune of 30+points. 

If the original game plan doesn't work, there is no adjusting.  

As you saw though, the DL is worn out by the 4th quarter and loses containment. They stuffed that running game through 3 quarters, but that 4th quarter is when he needed those DBs in Zone more than anything. How many tackles on RBs and the QB did the DBs make in the 4th quarter? I don't think changing mid-game to man coverage would have done any good in the 4th, that's something that needed to happen early. I think if he played them again next Sunday this is more of the gameplan he switches to:

 

1) Containing Kaep/Gore/Hunter with the front 7 only. They MUST be disciplined and contain though.

2) DBs in Man Off Coverage early in the game so Kaepernick gets frustrated and probably turns the ball over. You noticed Shields and Williams got their hands on several passes when they were covering man-to-man, if they were in Man the rest of the game then it would have been like the beginning of the playoff game. 

3) DBs in Zone Coverage in the 4th quarter as the DL wears down. 

Originally Posted by Boris:
Originally Posted by Ryan Grant:

The bottom line is that SF is simply a better team than GB at this point. It's close, but they are clearly better regardless of injuries, etc.. If Burnett (a slightly better than average safety, and Crabtee-a better than average WR) both played today-we have been beaten by a larger margin

 

Bull$hit

 

Give me back Burnett & Bulaga, We'll give them Crabtree then let's talk.

 

Having Burnett back there would have never resulted in 200 yds by Boldin & the only reason they were able to exploit the deep middle is because they have the best O-Line in the league.

 

We didn't get it done yesterday after turning the ball over TWICE. They had to play perfect football & got all the bounces yesterday. We lost by 6 late in the 4th. Yeah call me crazy but I'm ok where the Green Bay Packers are at.

I'm OK with where the packers are as well but they are simply not as good as SF right now. As someone stated earlier, to be the man, you gotta beat the man. I think we closed the gap a bit and I'm not going to use the refs and injuries as excuses as to why they beat us again as even with both teams at full strength they are better right now. We may catch up with them by playoff time but I sure hope we don't have to play them againin SF.

Originally Posted by Rockin' Robin:
But what I find demoralizing is how easy it is and how Roman/Harbaugh have so thoroughly outschemed Capers the last three meetings. 

 

 

Scheme or players executing? Last January Walden looked lost, is that scheme? Yesterday, McMillian played soft, is that scheme?

 

Well, a lot of the games Rodgers has played in, he's had such a substantial lead going into the 4th quarter that there was no opportunity to mount a 4th quarter comeback. Hell, practically the entire 2011 season played out that way.

 

But, go ahead and trumpet this meaningless stat if it makes you feel better.

"Scheme or players executing? Last January Walden looked lost, is that scheme?"

It's coaching.   It looked as if he had never seen those plays before even though it wasn't the first time they ran them that season. 

 

How does that not fall on the coaching staff?

"
Yesterday, McMillian played soft, is that scheme?"

Yes, you know secondary is your weak spot heading into the game with Burnett and Heyward out.. You know the Niners are expecting you to stack up against the RO..  It played out just how they expected and they exposed the weak spot.  

Originally Posted by DeepChicago:

With yesterdays comeback, Jay now has 15. 3-1 over Rodgers. He's still got the SB and that's most important, but that is still a stunning stat.

He's got way more than the Super Bowl over Cutler. Pick any stat that means anything to the QB position -- completion %, yards / attempt, TDs, Int rate, Passer Rating, etc. Rodgers is not only superior to Cutler, he's superior to just about any other QB in the same timeframe.

The "game winning comeback" stat is a total joke...we've been down this path before. Why is it a joke:

1) If you're ahead going into the 4th, you don't qualify

2) If you're behind, take the lead, and then the d gives it up again, you don't qualify

3) If you're behind, lead the team to FG range, and the kicker misses, you don't qualify

 

Cutler is a fine QB...he's perhaps the best Chicago has had in the Super Bowl era. But no Bears fan in their right mind would prefer Cutler to Rodgers at any point of the game.

Never said I would take Rodgers over Cutler. Are you that bad at reading? In fact, I've been very complimentary of Rodgers. I love his feet, arm and his sense of calm.

 

Too bad he's a whiny, gay cowboy playing for the fudgepackers.

 

Originally Posted by Hungry5:
Originally Posted by Rockin' Robin:
Scheme or players executing? Last January Walden looked lost, is that scheme? Yesterday, McMillian played soft, is that scheme?

 

It's not an either/or.

 

I love TT, but it's on him to get players. They are going on their 3rd season without Collins and he hasn't filled the safety position opposite Burnett. SF went one off-season without Goldson and they didn't drop off a bit with Reid in his place.

 

But the coaching is responsible too. Here's an example -- a year ago GB had an awful offensive game plan against Seattle. They were sacked 8 times in a half. McCarthy made the adjustments at half time and they cleaned it up and won* that game. The same players responsible for the mess in the first half succeeded in the second half because the coach made an adjustment and put them in position to win. Capers does that week to week...but he doesn't do it within games. Too much evidence now on that.

 

Originally Posted by Rockin' Robin:
 

But that's the problem I have with Capers. It's great to make game-to-game adjustments like they did last year with Peterson in the playoffs. But it sure would be better if Capers could make an in-game adjustment. At halftime, how does he not adjust and show some man looks with Boldin?

 

You're just putting yourself at a tremendous disadvantage when you go with the same approach all game long and not mix things up, especially when the results demand that you do. That's what got Bob Sanders a ticket out of town.

 

Honestly, I'm beginning to think Dom Capers is the defensive counterpart to Mike Martz. Two guys who were terrific coordinators at one point, but really seemed unable to adapt as the game evolved, both in a macro sense and certainly within games.

From MMQB this morning:

 

The 49ers beat Green Bay in their meeting by the Bay, and Colin Kaepernick and Boldin were the main reasons. Eschewing the read-option and going to more of a pocket-passing game—offensive coordinator Greg Roman is becoming famous for throwing changeups at defenses, and everyone expected Kaepernick to have a big day running the ball—Kaepernick threw for 412 yards. More than half went to Boldin, in the biggest day since the first game of his rookie season, exactly one decade and two days ago. He caught 10 balls for 217 yards as a Cardinal in the 2003 opener.

 

“We scouted Green Bay the entire offseason,’’ Boldin said afterward. “We got some looks we thought we’d get. All through the offseason and in training camp, when I was working with Colin, we’d constantly be communicating. What are we seeing here, when am I breaking off what route. I’ve never been a guy who relied on my speed anyway, but I know how to get open. And Colin and I have developed a good relationship, so it doesn’t feel like we’re new to each other at all.’’

 

Looks like after Capers and Co. figured out how to stop the read option, they said "ok, we got that figured out...what's for dinner?" while SF decided to scheme alternative approaches.

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