Like doc said, the mask isn't protecting the wearer, so they're not wearing them. They couldn't give 2 craps if they protect anybody else. If somebody else gets sick, it's 100% on them.
@Dr._Bob posted:If they could fight Covid with those AK47s, I have no doubt they would be out in force shooting up those foreign Wuhan viruses. But if the solution makes them feel weak? Not a chance. They feel stronger fighting the people who are talking about it. I think the key to understanding all of this is that reason is and always has been irrelevant. It's emotions that drive us.
THAT'S BULLSHIT! *begins sobbing*
@SanDiegoPackFan posted:Yeah. I don't get it either. I really feel bad about his death. He was high risk, too.
So, if he knew he was high risk due to his battle with cancer, then he should've worn a mask and social distanced a bit more IF he had to go the rally. I really would like to hear from his family on that thought process. Did he have a mask but took it off once the rally started? It is strange.
The rally was five weeks ago. I doubt that was the culprit.
Two weeks to develop symptoms, three weeks to worsen and lead to hospitalization and death? Very possible.
Good point, FloridaRob. He could've easily gotten it from a different source, too.
@Floridarob posted:The rally was five weeks ago. I doubt that was the culprit.
Wasn't your own son about 4 weeks from exposure to hospitalization?
Let's just all wear a mask, whatever our politics. If you don't have enough yet, these look cool (especially the Giannis one) and they'll save lives.
I beefed on Herman Cain, nothing more. Yell at that bully ammo.
@Dr._Bob posted:Two weeks to develop symptoms, three weeks to worsen and lead to hospitalization and death? Very possible.
Wait, you mean you don't contract COVID-19 and die within two weeks? I've been lied to!!
I believe you're thinking of the straw man virus.
I look at wearing a mask like arguing with Mrs Timmy!
I may be 100% right, but in the long run, it's much easier just to say "yes, dear" and move on.
Edited to add with current restrictions now in place, it's virtually impossible to go to any 'public' environment without having a mask requirement.
Apparently, exceptions are made, and there are the type of people who are willing to fight over it, and most store personnel won't challenge those that won't comply, but it's easier to go along with the program and gtfo asap.
@Floridarob posted:The rally was five weeks ago. I doubt that was the culprit.
I believe he tested positive 9 or 10 days after Tulsa.
@Timmy! posted:I look at wearing a mask like arguing with Mrs Timmy!
I may be 100% right, but in the long run, it's much easier just to say "yes, dear" and move on.
Edited to add with current restrictions now in place, it's virtually impossible to go to any 'public' environment without having a mask requirement.
Apparently, exceptions are made, and there are the type of people who are willing to fight over it, and most store personnel won't challenge those that won't comply, but it's easier to go along with the program and gtfo asap.
We've had mask policies in stores for awhile now in New York State. 99% of the people in our area are complying, however when they don't I don't see store employees challenging them. Of course I have limited variety of stores since I've really only been going in grocery stores.
@Timmy! posted:No matter the discussion, there's always the asshole(s) who feels compelled to bring their political views into it.
So I'll add mine:
Those same owners who donated 7 figures to Trump's campaign are the same ones who make it possible for us to enjoy the game of football.
Pretty goddamned ironic, no?
Green Bay Packers-proof positive that community owned initiatives are far superior to businesses focused entirely on greed and profit.....You could call it socialism, but really it is just the benefit of smart partnerships and a curbing of unnecessary excesses of wealth and hubris.
Lots of Patriots opting out. I wouldn't be surprised if Darth Hoodie is the loudest advocate to play the season. He's probably asking them to opt out.
Of course he is. Like I posted earlier.....
He's trying to get the #1 pick in April 2021
He'll probably record other teams' plays so he knows what the worst play to call would be.
Lions put M. Stafford on covid-19 list
People put on the list have ether tested positive or been in contact with someone who has. This is really too bad because the Stafford's just had a new baby last month.
I hope for our countries sake Louie Gohmert can fight this off.
Thoughts and prayers.
@Pikes Peak posted:I hope for our countries sake Louie Gohmert can fight this off.
Thoughts and prayers.
Ugh......HE SHOULD HAVE WORN A DAMN MASK. JMHO.
Apply sarcasm to PP's post Goldie. It makes more sense.
@Boris posted:Of course he is. Like I posted earlier.....
He's trying to get the #1 pick in April 2021
And like I posted earlier in the free agency thread...Great Minds Boris and all that...
Patriots are probably going to tank this year so that BB can draft Trevor Lawrence #1.
At what point does the NFL need to look at a bubble format like the NBA to save their season? The idea that teams and players will be able to travel and have unlimited movement (like MLB) and not incur mass infections is misguided optimism at best. The difference in baseball is they can move their schedule around and call up players. I still don’t think the baseball season survives but the NFL? No chance in hell.
Pick one bubble location for each division and play each team twice. Allow for 2-3 bye weeks to allow for flex scheduling options. Playoffs could be played in home stadiums to reward the best teams but it could be spread out by a couple of weeks to build in automatic quarantine periods.
As for college football, my personal opinion is it should simply be moved to Spring 2021. They face even greater hurdles than the NFL to get a season in. Start in March and finish by Memorial Day.
I don’t understand this discussion of college football in spring of 2021. Do the kids then do a fall season which means they’re playing 30 games in a calendar year? Not workable on a whole lot of levels.
Change this baby to April and it doesn't ring true.
Outlined against a blue-gray October sky, the Four Horsemen rode again.
F is for fall, F is for football.
@FLPACKER posted:We've had mask policies in stores for awhile now in New York State. 99% of the people in our area are complying, however when they don't I don't see store employees challenging them. Of course I have limited variety of stores since I've really only been going in grocery stores.
We never should have put minimum wage employees in charge of public health anyway. Every video I see of grocery store employees getting berated makes me want to see that person get violent diarrhea at that very moment. We ask teachers to be child mental health experts, police to be social works and cashiers to be nurses. Add Dr. Facebook to the mix and it's no wonder we are proactively thinning the heard. We celebrate anti-science dumbfuckery, I thought it was bad when we actively brought back measles, turns out that was just the prologue.
There is already spring football and hopefully by then a vaccine is developed that’s why timing might make sense. But I don’t disagree with the criticisms or arguments. I think college football has the biggest challenge of all the sports including professional sports.
The NBA is in the same boat for next year but guessing they push back the start to holiday period like Mark Cuban suggested.
Any plan that doesn’t include some form of a bubble is destined to fail
Ultimately some of the decision processes for college football may come down to whether the new congressional coronavirus rescue package contains a provision that makes universities (and businesses) immune to liability if people die from COVID after having students or workers come back. That's one of McConnell's biggest priorities and if universities know they can't be sued if they pack people into football stadiums (or at least get the TV money) and rake in the cash, I can guarantee you there will be college football - especially in the SEC.
If you provide organizations immunity from the consequences of making decisions that put their people at risk, they will make riskier decisions.
Liability law serves an important purpose. Allowing businesses to discount the health and well being of their employees, or student athletes, when calculating the efficacy of a business plan is bad public policy.
@AdamSchefter: Eagles’ HC Doug Pederson has tested positive for the coronavirus, sources told ESPN’s @Tim_McManus. Pederson convened a previously unscheduled team meeting Sunday night to share the news with his players. He did this after receiving a second positive test.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:Ultimately some of the decision processes for college football may come down to whether the new congressional coronavirus rescue package contains a provision that makes universities (and businesses) immune to liability if people die from COVID after having students or workers come back. That's one of McConnell's biggest priorities and if universities know they can't be sued if they pack people into football stadiums (or at least get the TV money) and rake in the cash, I can guarantee you there will be college football - especially in the SEC.
It would be difficult to trace it back to a college's fault anyway. Kids are out partying all the time all over the place with all sorts of folks. How would you trace that?
DNA level testing. There was a study, Sweden I think, that did DNA level contact tracing focusing mostly on family transmissions - child <> parent, child <> child, child <> grandparent, etc...
Whether we have an NFL season will really come down to the player's behavior. Unlike college football, where the general student body's behavior may shut the campus down even if the players do the right thing, for NFL players it will be solely on them and the team's employees to not expose themselves when outside the facility.
@antooo posted:If you provide organizations immunity from the consequences of making decisions that put their people at risk, they will make riskier decisions.
Liability law serves an important purpose. Allowing businesses to discount the health and well being of their employees, or student athletes, when calculating the efficacy of a business plan is bad public policy.
I don't disagree with you, but McConnell has stated that this is non-negotiable.