Damn it.
Will never forget that play... there was another too, that didn't result in a sack, where Reggie tossed another guy even further.
How he had the power, to with one arm, just fling a grown man professional football player, is indescribable.
Still the only Packer jersey I have EVER bought was 92. I should just frame it.
How he had the power, to with one arm, just fling a grown man professional football player, is indescribable.
Still the only Packer jersey I have EVER bought was 92. I should just frame it.
I had the privilege to meet him at a card show in the late 90s. Being my favorite Packer I suppose I was starstruck just a little. My wife accompanied me and even though those shows tended to bore her she thought meeting Reggie was pretty cool. I truly enjoyed watching him play football. RIP #92.
quote:Originally posted by Pakrz:
Christ, can you imagine a young Sanders' flamboyant personality in GB? He made T-Buck look like a church mouse. Holmy would have killed him.
Prior to the '89 draft, ESPN was interviewing D. Sanders, and his "homies" were in the background chanting "no way Green Bay".
Glad the Packers didn't draft that piece of trash.
The offense's only points in the second half was a two point conversion. If not for Howard's TD making the deficit large enough to force the Patriots to pass, Reggie White can't tee off and rush Bledsoe like he was able to (on top of the sacks, he also forced a couple wounded duck INTs). Sounds like the sort of high pressure "all on him" scenario that Brett failed in many, many times (like he did in the 4th quarter of the NFCCG in Dallas the year before or again in the 4th quarter of Super Bowl XXXII). The idea that he was "clutch" is just as big of a myth as the one that he was an excellent cold weather passer. Even in his best years, he generally crumbled when he was the guy who had to step up and be the hero in post season games. Not really a damning charge against him I'd say, Peyton Manning is the same way. Lots of MVP awards, incredible stats and big regular season wins with many spectacular post season choke jobs when it's all been put on him to go out and win the game.quote:Originally posted by PackLandVA:quote:Originally posted by Pack-Man:
If not for him and Desmond Howard, does anyone here doubt that Favre would have found a way to lose the game at some critical, high pressure juncture in the 4th quarter?
Yes, I do doubt that statement. Like him or not, during the mid-90's, he was the best QB in the game. And that includes the 4th quarters. He was a 3-time MVP for a reason.
Reggie was able to do things as a DE that I have yet to see from anyone else. He used to throw o-linemen around around like rag dolls yet could still beat them with speed. His bull rush was a thing of beauty. There are a few players in NFL history for which I don't think we'll ever see an equivalent, and Reggie was one of them.
Disagree.
Howard's TD return didn't force the Patriots to become one-dimensional in the third quarter. Down by 13 with more than a quarter to go is plenty of time to go with run and pass plays. The Packers had a tremendous defense, led by Reggie White. Give the Dcredit. It wasn't just because they could 'tee off' on Bledsoe in passing plays.
What I do recall is some of the defensive starters (White included) taking plays off on the sidelines for 'breathing issues' due to the halftime fireworks display. That may be why the Pats were able to get back into the game.
As far as Favre goes, I don't recall him being a choker early in his career with the Packers. Again, whether you like him or not, the guy was the best player (arguably) in the NFL in the mid 90's. Those Dallas teams in the early 90's were flat out more talented than the Packers. And I lay most of the blame for those playoff losses on the Packer D, not Favre choking late in a game. Dallas' offense was just unstoppable for a while.
IMO, Favre developed a knack for the ill-advised play/INT later in his career with the Packers and beyond. But in the 90's, the guy was flat out awesome.
So I maintain that had Howard not run back that punt, the Packers still would've won the game because the D dominated late in the game. And I don't think Favre would've "lost the game" as you suggest.
Howard's TD return didn't force the Patriots to become one-dimensional in the third quarter. Down by 13 with more than a quarter to go is plenty of time to go with run and pass plays. The Packers had a tremendous defense, led by Reggie White. Give the Dcredit. It wasn't just because they could 'tee off' on Bledsoe in passing plays.
What I do recall is some of the defensive starters (White included) taking plays off on the sidelines for 'breathing issues' due to the halftime fireworks display. That may be why the Pats were able to get back into the game.
As far as Favre goes, I don't recall him being a choker early in his career with the Packers. Again, whether you like him or not, the guy was the best player (arguably) in the NFL in the mid 90's. Those Dallas teams in the early 90's were flat out more talented than the Packers. And I lay most of the blame for those playoff losses on the Packer D, not Favre choking late in a game. Dallas' offense was just unstoppable for a while.
IMO, Favre developed a knack for the ill-advised play/INT later in his career with the Packers and beyond. But in the 90's, the guy was flat out awesome.
So I maintain that had Howard not run back that punt, the Packers still would've won the game because the D dominated late in the game. And I don't think Favre would've "lost the game" as you suggest.
quote:Originally posted by Pack-Man:
...... or again in the 4th quarter of Super Bowl XXXII.
How did he choke in the 4th quarter of SB 32?
Thought he led them on a scoring drive to tie the game after Denver took the lead, and then at least got them into Denver territory on the final drive of the game.
Reggie was all-around the best, hands down. He not only could rush the QB with impunity, he also held his own against the run. In the vid, poor Moon didn't know what to do when his own player was tossed at his feet like a rolling Raggedy Ann. Reggie could do that to a play: blow it up so badly guys didn't know how to react. It was a pleasure having him in GB.
Back to Reggie, I remember driving in my car listening to sports radio when I heard he signed with the Packers. I almost drove into a ditch! After that first season, seeing the improvement in their defense, I told some people the Packers were gonna win at least one SB with him. He was amazing to watch.
quote:Originally posted by PackLandVA:quote:Originally posted by Pack-Man:
...... or again in the 4th quarter of Super Bowl XXXII.
How did he choke in the 4th quarter of SB 32?
He was 8-of-14 for 77 yards and a TD in the fourth quarter. If you want to list the Packers who choked in the final quarter of that game, #4 is a ways down the list behind the head coach and the entire defensive line -- not to mention Ross Verba, whose two penalties on two consecutive plays forced the punt that led to Denver's winning touchdown.
Man, the revisionist history about Favre around here just gets more hilarious all the time.
In the Packer's final drive, Favre also threw a pass to Brooks that was right on the money except he couldn't put enough on it due to the heavy rush. It was just barely deflected. I think had it been a reception, it may have ended up a TD as there was nothing but daylight ahead of him.
There was discussion here about Holmgren being stubborn with not adjusting the offensive scheme so as to have one more Packer block.
Of course, you also have how porous the rush defense was in that game.
There was discussion here about Holmgren being stubborn with not adjusting the offensive scheme so as to have one more Packer block.
Of course, you also have how porous the rush defense was in that game.
And so it happens once again, a thread started about a great person, a great teammate, and a great Packer, ends up being about an a-hole who is none of those things. 
I remember the signing of Reggie. The energy and response to he signing was unlike anything I had ever heard in Wisconsin.
As far as the Favre issue, some are so blind they cannot remember the past correctly.
I think that without either of these guys the current era of the Packers with the Stadium does not have a chance of being achieved which means Wolf and. Holmgren deserves all of the credit for building the Packer up and allowing them to become the team and organization it is now.
As far as the Favre issue, some are so blind they cannot remember the past correctly.
I think that without either of these guys the current era of the Packers with the Stadium does not have a chance of being achieved which means Wolf and. Holmgren deserves all of the credit for building the Packer up and allowing them to become the team and organization it is now.
quote:Originally posted by phaedrus:
In the Packer's final drive, Favre also threw a pass to Brooks that was right on the money except he couldn't put enough on it due to the heavy rush. It was just barely deflected. I think had it been a reception, it may have ended up a TD as there was nothing but daylight ahead of him.
Are you thinking of Freeman? Here at 2:17:25, he puts a bullet right in Freeman's chest. If #86 had held on, he would have walked in.
The only time he targeted Brooks on that drive was the overthrow where the two Denver guys knocked each other out.
On the incomplete 4th down pass, he had less than two seconds to throw because Denver brought seven rushers and GB had only five linemen to stop them.
Back to White, I was smooching my gal when the signing was announced on the TV in the next room. I literally pushed her away and ran to the TV. Took some finessing to get out of the doghouse, but it was worth it.