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A rant in support of Eddie Lacy

YATittleYATittleMember

All kidding aside, I know he's only shown glimpses and flashes in the pre-season, but I think this guy is gonna be the key factor in the 2013 season. I'm saying he's gonna put up 1,300 yards, 12 TDs, be in the running for OROY and will be trusted enough in pass pro that teams won't really know what we're up to when he's in there. He will get better as the year goes on, he will slog hard in the playoffs and when push comes to shove at the end of the year he will be the bell cow as the Pack milks the clock with the lead in the NFC championship game to get to the Super Bowl.

 

And once he's there, outdoors in New York, he'll make the AFC team look like Notre Dame.

 

Here's someone who agrees with me: http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainin...-draft-biggest-steal

 

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PackLandVAPackLandVAMember

Lacy needs to do three things this year to make a significant impact on the offense and team as a whole:

 

1. Make opposing defenses respect the Packers run game, at least somewhat;

 

2. be successful on short yardage/goal line plays;

 

3. be successful at blitz pick ups.

 

If Lacy can do those three things at least marginally well, I believe the Packers offense will be near unstoppable, even with just an average O-line.

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While I'd be delighted if Lacy wound up as a combination of Jim Brown/Thurman Thomas (one of the better blocking halfbacks I've seen in my 56+ years), he needs to run effectively. If he can do that, his presence on the field is enough to slow the pass rush whether he can block or not. If you can run play action on every down, you will win most of your games.

 

Hank Stram had it down. My second favorite coach.

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Originally Posted by PackLandVA:

Lacy needs to do three things this year to make a significant impact on the offense and team as a whole:

 

1. Make opposing defenses respect the Packers run game, at least somewhat;

 

2. be successful on short yardage/goal line plays;

 

3. be successful at blitz pick ups.

 

If Lacy can do those three things at least marginally well, I believe the Packers offense will be near unstoppable, even with just an average O-line.

True Dat!

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SatoriSatori"...going where the climate suits my clothes"

Good stuff cuqui- thanks for posting it

 

What a blast to have a threat at RB again, Rodgers is probably pretty stoked to have a big RB to lean on

 

They will still run the package plays, where Rodgers has both a run and a pass called at the LOS

 

In the past MM has commented that he doesn't like to "run uphill" - ie at the beginning of the game when defenses are set to stop it and all the DL are fresh. We'll see if its any different now

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Dr._BobDr._BobMember
I think this part from the article on Lacy is crucial to helping the offensive line:

Due to concerns about gap integrity at the line of scrimmage, opposing defensive
coordinators won't be able to utilize some of the twists, stunts and blitzes
that are effective in obvious passing situations. Quick-hitting running plays
exploit such tactics by allowing the runners to hit the hole before defenders
are able to get into the gaps. Therefore, opponents will rely on conventional
pass-rush tactics, which feature more straightforward rushes, with possibly one
or two linebackers inserted in the pursuit. As a result, the offensive line is
better able to identify potential blitzes and properly secure the edges.

 

 

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If  Lacy approaches 1000 yds it will be a miraculous year for him. 1300 yds? Come on, who you crapping? Only 6 RBs in the league cracked 1300 yds last year and everyone of them had a good OL in front of them. 

 

Lacy isn't getting 1300 yards, probably won't get 900 yds because he's only going to be a 2 down back and maybe not even that. if he is healthy for all 16 games, let's say he averages the same 15 carries that Cedric Benson got in GB last season - that's 240 carries for the year. to get over 1000 yds he'd have to average more than 4 yds/carry and that isn't going to be easy with the line that GB is going to be using, especially early in the year with new starters at 4 positions.

 

Lacy is a rookie. You can bet he's coming off the field for most 3rd down/passing situations. That's also the down that backs pad their stats and get the 10yd runs on 3rd and 20.

 

With Starks and Kuhn Lacy won't be seeing those prime stat padding downs and he's going to be seeing few holes to run through.

 

The real hope is he is good enough to force defenses to play one safety up. If he isn't it's going to look a whole hell of a lot like last seasons offense.

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Dr._BobDr._BobMember

I see Lacy having minimal to modest success on most runs but I do think he will break some runs for much larger gains and that is all the Packers need from him.  I think with his running style there are times he's going to break through to the next level by sheer power and will.  That's exactly why he's a good back for this Oline because he can make things happen on his own. 

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Hopefully Lacy proves to be a difference maker and gets his opportunities throughout the game.  MM has talked about committing to the run in the past, yet we always find reason to throw the ball all over the field.  When you have 12, mind you, that's not a bad thing.  My only complaint is the seemingly endless 3rd and short bombs down the field.  

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DurangoDougDurangoDougMember

Third and short bombs are supposed to catch the defence off guard. And, they work well when done on a limited basis and the team has had success running on short yardage 3rd downs. Unfortunately for the Pack they have not recently been all that successfull runing on short yardage 3rd downs. Lacey and improved OL blocking on 3rd and short can rectify that. Once we start getting grinding out 1st down runs, then the occasional bomb will work more often.

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I'm a little concerned you* felt comfortable complaining about a situation without much of a clue as to the outcomes with the current design.

 

in 2012, Green Bay was 9thin the league in 3rd down completion percentage at 42.3%.  NE was tops at 48.7%.  Not sure if NE went 4 wide in 3rd and 3 or not. 

 

Is keeping the ball in AR's hands a good idea on third down?  Well, doing so resulted in a first down or touchdown 43.17% of the time (only slightly better than running did, interestingly enough).  Peyton was tops at 49.07 percent.  Aaron had 22 more opportunities.

 

Now, this is all simply 3rd down, not necessarily 3rd and short.  I will have to look at that when I have more time.  I do feel having a stronger running threat obviously makes running on third and short more appealing, similarly not having a guy like Greg Jennings makes passing a little less desirable.  I do know there was a lot of angst last year about Mike's play calling on third down, when in fact, the Pack were pretty good at converting third downs all season. 

 

*you being not just you, but there are lots of fans who complain about things because it doesn't "feel" right, not because it doesn't work.

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SatoriSatori"...going where the climate suits my clothes"

Nice work Bong

 

The main reason they do it is that its one of the few down and distances where the defense doesn't have two deep safeties. On 3rd and short, teams often bring one safety closer to the box-  which leaves Jordy and Jones one-on-one outside

 

MM and AR will take that match-up every time. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't

 

But if the defense has an extra player at the LOS, is that really the best time to call a running play ? Most of the time GB is running vs two deep safeties and their success is mixed. Adding another defensive run-stuffer isn't likely to improve their success rate

 

Now Lacy may change that because even if they hit him, he often spins or pile drives forward for the yards. Really looking forward to lining up and getting yards on the ground at least a few times this year

 

I know it frustrates fans, but MM and AR aren't stupid. When they see a single high safety, they know the odds are in their favor to pass vs run. And so they do

 

 

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It's a complaint.

 

agree that having another weapon on offence is a good thing.  Last year, if the odds of success running and passing are the same, why not chose the option that typically nets more yards more often.  Perhaps Lacy can change that a little bit and make the run a more viable option.  

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bubbleboy789bubbleboy789Member

Eddie Lacy is really good. 

 

I think he had his best game this season vs. the Vikings and he did it without getting much help from the guys up front. He forced 8 missed tackles and gained 62 of his 110 rushing yards after contact. 

 

And what's even better is the production he had in the passing game. He caught all 6 passes that were thrown his way and picked up 54 yards after the catch. He was also great in pass pro, yielding no pressures on 10 pass blocking snaps. I think the main knock on Lacy coming out of the draft was his lack of experience in the passing game but he's clearly capable to excelling in that area as well. 

 

Every time he takes a hand off I sit up in my seat. He's such an exciting runner. 

 

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Originally Posted by Music City:
Sad thing to me is that it has a shelf life. Should be a fun 5 years.

There is definitely now an AR + Eddie Lacy + Jordy Nelson + Clay Matthews Superbowl window that is open. We just need some better luck with the injuries and some more solid defensive play to take advantage of it.

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Originally Posted by FreeSafety:
Originally Posted by Music City:
Sad thing to me is that it has a shelf life. Should be a fun 5 years.

There is definitely now an AR + Eddie Lacy + Jordy Nelson + Clay Matthews Superbowl window that is open. We just need some better luck with the injuries and some more solid defensive play to take advantage of it.


Add Cobb in there and you've nailed it.

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ChilliJonChilliJonI hate the Vikings!

Was watching some highlights from the Redskin game earlier this year and it hit me how easy it is to forget how good Cobb is and how badly he's missed. Not just from a productivity standpoint but what a defense has to commit to account for him. 

 

The "how the eff do you stop that" factor if Cobb and Finley are healthy with what Lacy has become is off the charts in week 12 if Rodgers, Bulaga and Barclay are healthy.

 

Ted Thompson is an effing genius. 

 

 

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RustyRusty42 inch pythons brother!

Thompson is excellent at finding productive starters and assembling a talented top couple of layers of talent for a team that few GMs can.

 

His weakness however, is finding street free agents and fourth-string practice squad players that are somehow going to magically turn into Ed Reed and Joe Montana the moment they put on Green and Gold.

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Not a reflection of Cobb driving the engine. It's Cobb, Jordy, Jones, and Finley with an OL coming together blocking for Lacy with the best QB in football. That's unstoppable. And we haven't got to Boykin!!!!

Add a healthy Collins and the rest of Teds pick fully healthy and this team is borderline lethal .

**** I hate the injuries!!!!!! It just ain't right.
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It just kills me, because if this offense were just healthy, it would be unstoppable. Absolutely unstoppable. As good as our offensive unit was in 2011 when we were 15-1, this group could blow that group out of the water. 

 

With the emergence of Boykin, if our offensive line is able to give Rodgers time, there's not a defense in the NFL that could stop us. I am absolutely 100% certain of this. Rodgers under center with Lacy behind him (or Starks spelling him, or Franklin when he gets healthy), and Nelson, Cobb, Jones and Boykin in a 4 receiver set. Or move Cobb back next to Lacy. Defensive coordinators all over the league would crap their pants trying to figure out a scheme to stop us. Lacy can just run over people. Cobb can run past them. Or, AR-12 can just fake a handoff, and throw a perfect strike to Nelson 40 yards downfield, or Jones, or Boykin across the middle. 

 

Driver was that guy that would get the clutch catch over the middle. Cobb has been filling that spot quite nicely, but I think when he gets back, Boykin takes that over. Put Nelson on one side of the field, Cobb and Jones on the other, and 6'2" 218 lb Boykin over the middle. He catches everything thrown his way. I'm super impressed with him. Tell me, what defensive secondary in football right now could stop that group? The Seahawks? LOL, their cornerbacks are too busy getting suspended.

 

We don't need an incredible defense. Just a defense that is consistent, and does the basic things well. A defense that tackles, and doesn't blow coverages 50 yards down field, will help this team win the Super Bowl again. A defense that can bump receivers coming off the line of scrimmage instead of lining up ten yards off the line of scrimmage because they're worried about giving up the big play. If our defense is just good next year...look out. And it can be better than good. If Clay is healthy, Jones, Perry and Worthy can get a lot of pressure on the QB. Lattimore, who should be starting next season, can wreak havoc in the middle. Daniels, Neal, Raji, Jolly etc can come up big. This can be a very good D if they are healthy.

 

The talent on this team could be every bit as good as the team that won it all in Dallas. 

 

 

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LS,

 

There is one thing that could stop such an offense.  A defensive line like the Giants had the year they beat the undefeated and unstoppable Patriots.  The 4 man line beat on Brady all day.  They knocked him silly.

 

None of your analysis noted the offensive line and a superb DL could provide enough push to nullify much of the talent at the skill positions.

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ls spins a yarn there but neither GB nor NE had a decent running game in 2011 either.  I have to wonder if the current team and their greatly improved running game would slow that NYG pass rush up just enough to let AR operate.  It's not like there weren't opportunities vs NYG.  Guys were dropping balls and passes all over the field that day.  On the other hand, that 2011 GB squad was a well oiled passing machine - not sure we have ever really seen that this year.

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