quote:Originally posted by scoop:That one doesn't even count, since without the "pass interference" the ball is likely caught for a first down. So, I'm still at zero "stupid mistakes that gave the Donkeys a first down instead of forcing them to punt".quote:There was only 1... the Bigby P.I. Which, after watching the replay was a close call.
quote:Originally posted by scoop:Help me out on these two - I really don't remember.quote:Originally posted by squirrelpee:And what was it 2 times stupid mistakes gave the Donkeys a first down instead of forcing them to punt?
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:
You said stupid. Scoop asked for help identifying those. I noted the 1 questionable PI on 3rd that gave them a 1st down.
zero "stupid mistakes that gave the Donkeys a first down instead of forcing them to punt".
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:
No... why don't you like it?
Would this be better?
quote:Originally posted by scoop:The second false start at the goal line was pretty insignificant, since at that point you're going to throw the ball anyway, and you might as well throw from the 11 as from the 6.quote:Originally posted by squirrelpee:
PENALTIES (Number-Yards) 13 - 103
Totally unacceptable.
While I go along with others that some of the penalties were bogus, those two false starts when the Pack were on the one yard line
Oops. Sorry about that. You're right. There was a running play, so that the second penalty occurred on 3rd and goal at the 2 1/2. OTOH, when it happened, the Packers were in shotgun, empty backfield, so they weren't going to run it any way.quote:Originally posted by PackerRick:
The second false start penalty, on Clifton, came on the 3rd and goal from just outside the 2 yard line. It was a big penalty because it eliminated any chance of a run. There was a running play between the two penalties.
quote:Originally posted by FreeSafety:
Probably, I am just going from memory, but I think if Driver had it to do over...he would have given Brett a "what the heck was that crap" look.
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:
You said stupid. Scoop asked for help identifying those. I noted the 1 questionable PI on 3rd that gave them a 1st down.
zero "stupid mistakes that gave the Donkeys a first down instead of forcing them to punt".
quote:Originally posted by scoop:Oops. Sorry about that. You're right. There was a running play, so that the second penalty occurred on 3rd and goal at the 2 1/2. OTOH, when it happened, the Packers were in shotgun, empty backfield, so they weren't going to run it any way.quote:Originally posted by PackerRick:
The second false start penalty, on Clifton, came on the 3rd and goal from just outside the 2 yard line. It was a big penalty because it eliminated any chance of a run. There was a running play between the two penalties.
What Woodson penalty? He had one in the first quarter on 1st and 10 that moved the ball 5 yards. Then another in the Bronco's last drive in regulation that was declined (on Brandon Marshall's long catch and run).quote:Originally posted by Herschel:
Bigby and Woodosn BOTH had penalties that gave up first downs when they had them stopped and the game was on the line. Woodson's was far bigger, in my opinion, but Green bay escaped with only giving up a field goal on that drive, at least.
quote:That's something I don't get either. Why we run so much empty backfield inside the 5. There isn't a lot of space to work with down there so I think having a RB, and keeping the thought of a run in the defense's mind, outweighs having 5 eligible receivers in that small of an area instead of 4. I don't think it's been all that productive deep in the red zone so far this season.
quote:Originally posted by trump:
... pervert.
quote:Originally posted by scoop:
On the false starts, what I mean is that the first penalty was very costly (took them from the 1 back to the 6, from a running situation to a must pass situation). But the second was pretty meaningless - I don't understand what you mean by "getting one yard is better than needing 8".
quote:Originally posted by squirrelpee:
2-1-DEN 1 (1:39) PENALTY on GB-75-T.Moll, False Start, 4 yards, enforced at DEN 1 - No Play.
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3-2-DEN 2 (1:33) (Shotgun) PENALTY on GB-76-C.Clifton, False Start, 6 yards, enforced at DEN 2 - No Play.
quote:Originally posted by scoop:What Woodson penalty? He had one in the first quarter on 1st and 10 that moved the ball 5 yards. Then another in the Bronco's last drive in regulation that was declined (on Brandon Marshall's long catch and run).quote:Originally posted by Herschel:
Bigby and Woodosn BOTH had penalties that gave up first downs when they had them stopped and the game was on the line. Woodson's was far bigger, in my opinion, but Green bay escaped with only giving up a field goal on that drive, at least.
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:quote:Originally posted by scoop:What Woodson penalty? He had one in the first quarter on 1st and 10 that moved the ball 5 yards. Then another in the Bronco's last drive in regulation that was declined (on Brandon Marshall's long catch and run).quote:Originally posted by Herschel:
Bigby and Woodosn BOTH had penalties that gave up first downs when they had them stopped and the game was on the line. Woodson's was far bigger, in my opinion, but Green bay escaped with only giving up a field goal on that drive, at least.
The Packers had 1 (defensive) penalty on 3rd down - the Bigby PI.
quote:Originally posted by scoop:What Woodson penalty? He had one in the first quarter on 1st and 10 that moved the ball 5 yards. Then another in the Bronco's last drive in regulation that was declined (on Brandon Marshall's long catch and run).quote:Originally posted by Herschel:
Bigby and Woodosn BOTH had penalties that gave up first downs when they had them stopped and the game was on the line. Woodson's was far bigger, in my opinion, but Green bay escaped with only giving up a field goal on that drive, at least.
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:quote:Originally posted by scoop:Help me out on these two - I really don't remember.quote:Originally posted by squirrelpee:And what was it 2 times stupid mistakes gave the Donkeys a first down instead of forcing them to punt?
There was only 1... the Bigby P.I. Which, after watching the replay was a close call.
Here's the play-by-play:quote:Originally posted by Herschel:
On the Broncos' field goal drive when they had them stopped on what would have been about 4th & 6 or so he had one called too, even though there was some confusion on who it actually was on. The ref said #21, which is Woodson.
quote:1-10-DEN 7 (2:27) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass incomplete deep right to 88-T.Scheffler (20-A.Bigby). PENALTY on GB-20-A.Bigby, Defensive Pass Interference, 17 yards, enforced at DEN 7 - No Play.
1-10-DEN 24 (2:21) 35-S.Young left tackle to DEN 24 for no gain (36-N.Collins).
Two-Minute Warning
2-10-DEN 24 (2:00) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass incomplete short right to 17-G.Martinez (94-K.Gbaja-Biamila).
3-10-DEN 24 (1:52) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short left to 14-B.Stokley to DEN 32 for 8 yards (21-C.Woodson).
Timeout #2 by DEN at 01:37.
4-2-DEN 32 (1:37) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short left to 14-B.Stokley pushed ob at DEN 39 for 7 yards (31-A.Harris).
1-10-DEN 39 (1:32) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass incomplete short right to 14-B.Stokley [74-A.Kampman].
2-10-DEN 39 (1:27) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short middle to 15-B.Marshall to GB 26 for 35 yards (36-N.Collins; 24-J.Bush). Penalty on GB-21-C.Woodson, Defensive Holding, declined.
1-10-GB 26 (1:16) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short middle to 15-B.Marshall to GB 13 for 13 yards (50-A.Hawk).
1-10-GB 13 (:38) 35-S.Young right tackle to GB 4 for 9 yards (94-K.Gbaja-Biamila).
Timeout #3 by DEN at 00:25.
2-1-GB 4 (:25) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass incomplete short left to 15-B.Marshall.
3-1-GB 4 (:22) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler up the middle to GB 4 for no gain (79-R.Pickett).
4-1-GB 4 (:03) 1-J.Elam 21 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-83-M.Leach, Holder-10-T.Sauerbrun.
GB 13 DEN 13 Plays: 11 Possession: 2:27
quote:Originally posted by scoop:Here's the play-by-play:quote:Originally posted by Herschel:
On the Broncos' field goal drive when they had them stopped on what would have been about 4th & 6 or so he had one called too, even though there was some confusion on who it actually was on. The ref said #21, which is Woodson.quote:1-10-DEN 7 (2:27) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass incomplete deep right to 88-T.Scheffler (20-A.Bigby). PENALTY on GB-20-A.Bigby, Defensive Pass Interference, 17 yards, enforced at DEN 7 - No Play.
1-10-DEN 24 (2:21) 35-S.Young left tackle to DEN 24 for no gain (36-N.Collins).
Two-Minute Warning
2-10-DEN 24 (2:00) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass incomplete short right to 17-G.Martinez (94-K.Gbaja-Biamila).
3-10-DEN 24 (1:52) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short left to 14-B.Stokley to DEN 32 for 8 yards (21-C.Woodson).
Timeout #2 by DEN at 01:37.
4-2-DEN 32 (1:37) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short left to 14-B.Stokley pushed ob at DEN 39 for 7 yards (31-A.Harris).
1-10-DEN 39 (1:32) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass incomplete short right to 14-B.Stokley [74-A.Kampman].
2-10-DEN 39 (1:27) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short middle to 15-B.Marshall to GB 26 for 35 yards (36-N.Collins; 24-J.Bush). Penalty on GB-21-C.Woodson, Defensive Holding, declined.
1-10-GB 26 (1:16) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short middle to 15-B.Marshall to GB 13 for 13 yards (50-A.Hawk).
1-10-GB 13 (:38) 35-S.Young right tackle to GB 4 for 9 yards (94-K.Gbaja-Biamila).
Timeout #3 by DEN at 00:25.
2-1-GB 4 (:25) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass incomplete short left to 15-B.Marshall.
3-1-GB 4 (:22) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler up the middle to GB 4 for no gain (79-R.Pickett).
4-1-GB 4 (:03) 1-J.Elam 21 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-83-M.Leach, Holder-10-T.Sauerbrun.
GB 13 DEN 13 Plays: 11 Possession: 2:27
The Woodson penalty on this drive was on 2nd and 10 and was declined.
quote:Originally posted by Herschel:
Bigby didn't turn his head to play the ball. That will get called every time in favor of the offense. Call it silly, but that's a consistent call in the league, has been for years.
You are correct.quote:Originally posted by Point Brewmaster:
Turning to face the ball is only an issue if the player makes contact with the receiver. From my memory, Bigby didn't touch the player until the ball was there and he knocked the ball out.
quote:Can you call pass interference on a defender if he is turned toward the wide receiver, not looking at the ball, waves his arms, but doesn't touch the wide receiver at all? Say the ball is in the air and hits the defender in the arm because he deflects the pass. Again, he doesn't touch the WR, but isn't looking at the ball either. --Dawn Polomsky, Phoenix, Ariz.
Many years ago, there was a penalty on pass plays for "face guarding." What you describe is face guarding. There is no penalty under current NFL rules for this act, unless there is physical contact. If the ball hits the defender, as you describe, the play would be legal. It is dangerous for a defender to turn his back on the direction that the ball is coming from. If he contacts the intended receiver, it would be pass interference because the defender is not playing the ball. You seldom see what you describe, but it would not be a foul.
