The 1962 Packers
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I have a signed '62 ball including (maybe) a real Vince.
Teams that should be on this list:
2010 Packers. Would have beat the ever loving **** out of the 2006 Colts. Colts needed an anti-MVP performance by Rex Grossman to win a gift title. Greased one out. How is that team 25?
1984 Raiders. Destroyed the defending SB champs. Just ****ing destroyed them. I mean they literally ****ing destroyed a team that was favored. That team was loaded.
Teams that should not be on this list:
2016 Patriots. No top 25 SB team should ever be down 28-3. Ever.
Teams that should be lower.
1991 Redskins. What the **** are they doing on this list at all?
2007 Pats. **** you Boston. Bucky Dent says 18-1. You lost. No soup!!!!!
Teams that should be higher:
1966 Packers.
1977 Raiders at 19? That offensive line pushed the steel curtain around then the purple people eaters. That's 6 hall of fame defensive lineman in the span of two weeks not including pushing around three HOF linebackers. Maybe the best OL ever.
1962 Packers is hard to argue against. What a team.
'98 Broncos. 
That's a loss on par with the Seattle debacle 2 years ago, and the Giants a few years before that.
Maybe moreso because it was the Superb Owl.
Would've loved to have seen the 1996 Packers vs. the '85 Bears or '84 Niners.
FYI...
11) 1996 Packers would've crushed the >>> 10) 1992 Cokeboys
ChilliJon posted:
Teams that should not be on this list:
2016 Patriots. No top 25 SB team should ever be down 28-3. Ever.
And remove the epic comeback lore of the GOAT?
As much as I loved the '96 Packers, not sure how that offensive line would have held up vs. some of the all time great teams. They did play much better once Bruce Wilkerson took over at LT. That's probably the one thing that kept them out of say a top 5 spot all-time. Would have been nice to have had Ray Lewis instead of Jon Michaels, but you can't have everything.
Agree that the 2007 Pats or 2016 Pats are too high. Sorry if you lose the Super Bowl, that drops you way way way down the list. 2016 Pats were a great story in terms of their Super Bowl comeback, but at no point last year did I ever think they were an all-time great team.
I know Chili mentioned the 2010 Packers. As much as I loved that team, I can't say I thought they were one of the all-time great teams. Maybe the one thing about that team that was truly special in terms of all-time greatness was their depth and resiliency. Their special teams were truly horrendous, their offense was sometimes brilliant but also sometimes surprisingly inept. Great story, and was fun to see them win a Super Bowl as a wild card, but way way down the list in terms of all-time great teams.
Still recall the lone loss that year to the Lions on Thanksgiving. Seems like every time Starr went back to pass he got sacked.
I wouldn't put the 2010 Packers in the top 25 all time. But I'd certainly put that team ahead of the 2006 Colts.
Agreed on that Chili. The 2006 Colts were not strong.
I posted this story on another thread a couple days ago. I guess everybody does have me blocked.
2010...people need to stop thinking of that team as just the terminus of the 2010/2011 season and start seeing them as the origin of the 2011/2012 season. The team faltered in the end but that offense during pretty much the entire 2011 calendar year could have gone up against any one of the top teams on that list.
michiganjoe posted:Still recall the lone loss that year to the Lions on Thanksgiving. Seems like every time Starr went back to pass he got sacked.
Some said that loss was the best thing that could have hapended to the 62' Packers. Doubt Lombardi felt that way that day, but it well could have made them better.
That Lions defense was loaded ... Hall of Famers ....Joe Schmidt, Night Train Lane, Dick LeBeau, Alex Karras, etc....great defensive line and Roger Brown destroyed Fuzzy that day.
But it was the Lions Defensive Coordinator that won the game for Detroit. He schemed to jam our receivers and disrupt the Packer offensive timing. He was good, his name was Don Shula.
Lombardi took the full blame for that 1962 loss. Fuzzy'z mother had died that week and was not prepared to play. Lombardi said he should have made changes in personnel or game plan or both.
Packdog posted:Some said that loss was the best thing that could have hapended to the 62' Packers. ........., his name was Don Shula.
And now we know ...the rest of the story.
Packdog posted:Defensive Coordinator that won the game for Detroit. He schemed to jam our receivers and disrupt the Packer offensive timing.
Jesus ****. Some things never change.
Brainwashed Boris posted:Would've loved to have seen the 1996 Packers vs. the '85 Bears or '84 Niners.
FYI...
11) 1996 Packers would've crushed the >>> 10) 1992 Cokeboys
Man, I don't think so.
I never rooted for those Cowboys and sure grew to hate them when the Wolf/Holmgren/Favre/White Packers had their first three playoff years end in Dallas (and I thought sometimes the refs gave the Cowboys some love).
I hate to say it, but Erik Williams owned Reggie White. He gave him fits. That line as a whole was positively awesome. By midway through the 3rd quarter. it seemed Emmitt Smith almost always gained at least three yards before even being touched.
Three HoF skill position offensive players (Aikmen, Smith, Irvin).
Were the 96 Packers better? I have no idea. Were they so much better they would have crushed that Dallas team?
That I don't see at all.
Some of the numbers on the 62 Packer team are astounding.
phaedrus posted:I hate to say it, but Erik Williams owned Reggie White. He gave him fits.
Well, sure, I guess. Maybe. If Erik Williams is allowed (all day) to put a hand under Reggie's helmet and try to decapitate him, then yes, you can say that Erik Williams "owned" Reggie White.
phaedrus posted:Three HoF skill position offensive players (Aikmen, Smith, Irvin).
Were the 96 Packers better? I have no idea. Were they so much better they would have crushed that Dallas team?
That I don't see at all.
I agree with you Phaedrus. I was at the Packers/Dallas game in late '96 where the Packers were pretty beat up, no Freeman, no Brooks, no Chmura, and had yet to sign Rison. The Cowboys beat us pretty good that day, but the good news was, that was the Packers last loss of that season. It wasn't a completely accurate assessment of the Packers since they were at their weakest point, but the bottom line was a Cowboys team weaker than the Jimmy Johnson led teams did beat the '96 Packers by double digits and nearly shut them out.
Had the Packers played them again a few weeks later, I have no doubt they would have beaten the '96 Cowboys, but I still have some doubts they could have beaten either the '92 or '93 Cowboys. Would have been fun to see though.
SanDiegoPackFan posted:phaedrus posted:I hate to say it, but Erik Williams owned Reggie White. He gave him fits.Well, sure, I guess. Maybe. If Erik Williams is allowed (all day) to put a hand under Reggie's helmet and try to decapitate him, the yes, you can say that Erik Williams "owned" Reggie White.
Twenty years have passed and so I do not recollect accurately, but now that you say it, if memory serves me correct, Williams often did as you write and the &$%('ing refs let him get away with it.
michiganjoe posted:Still recall the lone loss that year to the Lions on Thanksgiving. Seems like every time Starr went back to pass he got sacked.
The other game against the Lions was hotly contested. It happens to be the game the book Run to Daylight was about. Both teams 3-0. Lions up 7-6 in the 4th. Late game INT gave the Packers a game winning FG.
I read that the Lions thought they had the better team and after the game, Karras was so angry at Milt Plum (QB) he threw his helmet at him!
Nice lavender tie.
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Dom needs to start cheatin' then.
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Hungry5 posted:Dom needs to start cheatin' then.
I think his toupe is cheatin'.
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fightphoe93 posted:phaedrus posted:Three HoF skill position offensive players (Aikmen, Smith, Irvin).
Were the 96 Packers better? I have no idea. Were they so much better they would have crushed that Dallas team?
That I don't see at all.
I agree with you Phaedrus. I was at the Packers/Dallas game in late '96 where the Packers were pretty beat up, no Freeman, no Brooks, no Chmura, and had yet to sign Rison. The Cowboys beat us pretty good that day, but the good news was, that was the Packers last loss of that season. It wasn't a completely accurate assessment of the Packers since they were at their weakest point, but the bottom line was a Cowboys team weaker than the Jimmy Johnson led teams did beat the '96 Packers by double digits and nearly shut them out.
Had the Packers played them again a few weeks later, I have no doubt they would have beaten the '96 Cowboys, but I still have some doubts they could have beaten either the '92 or '93 Cowboys. Would have been fun to see though.
As was pointed out, the Packers basically played that game without NFL-level starting WRS: Terry Mickens 10 targets, Don Beebe-6 targets, D. Mayes - 2 targets, Desmond Howard - 2 targets.
Also, the Cowboys didn't get inside the 18 yard line until the last drive. The Packer defense handled them near the red zone.
If Brooks had not blown out his ACL on MNF or Freeman had not missed those 5 games in the middle of the season (including losses at KC and at Dallas) that Packer team is probably 18-1. They lost in a rocket ball type game in the Metrodome. The other 5 games when Freeman and Brooks were both healthy for the whole game at beginning of the season, they outscored some decent teams 36-8.
In games where Freeman played the whole game, they were 13-1 and averaged 33.4 points a game (including playoffs). In games where Freeman was out (or hurt during the game), they went 3-2 and averaged 18 points a game. In two of those 3 wins, they scored 1 offensive touchdown.
That game at the Metrodome in '96, poor Gary Brown, I think he ended up playing one of the worst games I've ever seen a LT have. The Vikings were just teeing off and sprinting to the QB unmolested on his side of the line. He did actually play decently the first 3 weeks but once he was on the road vs. the Vikes, holy cow did he s*$t the bed. It was amazing the Packers were even in that game at all, it showed how strong the rest of the team was to make up for the poor OL play. Thank you Bruce Wilkerson for saving us that season, not sure they get to the Super Bowl with Brown or Michels at LT.