Anthony Spencer

Spencer's pretty solid but I thin a team transitioning to a 3-4 would find a way to pony up a bit more for him.

29 and no...draft and develop.

Statistically, you'd think Spencer would be a good fit for the Pack. But for whatever reason, that Cowboys defense just really looked awful at times despite having Spencer and DeMarcus Ware at OLBs. I just never was that impressed with Spencer when I watched him, but admittedly I didn't focus on him that much.

On the other hand, look at who is GM, head coach and D coordinator are. I think we are better in all 3 positions.

5 and 6 sack per year guy....contract year he has 11

Perry had 2 sacks in 6 games. Same pace as Spencer other then his breakout year.

Perry is just learning and has a bright future.

I would rather they find another DT or NT because I think Neal and Pickett and Raji can be effective but they are thin beyond those three guys.

D-Line & O-Line are where I want to shore up early & often.

ILB would work well for me too

Let's bring in everyone who gets cut.

Even Randy Moss?

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Originally posted by Iowacheese:
5 and 6 sack per year guy....contract year he has 11

Perry had 2 sacks in 6 games. Same pace as Spencer other then his breakout year.

Perry is just learning and has a bright future.

That's all we need is 5/6 sacks opposite Clay? What if we could shift Perry down to DE and insert another 5/6 sack guy in there?

Never said that is all we need. Just saying you are advocating or making a pitch for a 29 yo that career numbers until last year were 5 or 6 sacks a season.

Perry in his brief time showed promise and is just learning the position. He was on pace for 5 to 6 sacks his rookie year. That would have been a great start and something to build on.

Spencer was a one hit wonder

21 sacks in 76 games prior to last season.

I am thinking that if TT is going to spend some jack it will be a tall DE not Spencer.

Maybe draft a Mad Stork or sumting

Pass ... But I'll take Ware for our #1 pick, Doable?

Ha! That would be a classic Jerry Jones move. I would do it. No way we get another player as good as Ware at #26. How old is Ware 29? He's got at least 3 more good years left. Maybe more.

However, it will never happen.

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Maybe draft a Mad Stork or sumting

Barkevious Mingo!

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Originally posted by Iowacheese:
Spencer was a one hit wonder

I don't think that's true. His sack numbers aren't overly impressive, but certainly Dallas thought enough of him to franchise him last offseason, before he had the 11 sacks. He's a good player who can do everything well.

Like I said earlier, does it hurt to have multiple good pass rushers? Is it a bad thing to buck tradition and invest a lot of money in pass rushers? Certainly the Giants proved it isn't, and they have 2 SBs in the last 6 years to prove it. I'm not advocating signing Spencer to a mega deal, but if the price is right I think he would instantly be our 2nd best pass rusher and would give Perry some time to ease into playing OLB rather than thrusting the job on him immediately.

Spencer will be way too expensive for Ted, especially considering his age.

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Originally posted by Grave Digger:
Like I said earlier, does it hurt to have multiple good pass rushers? Is it a bad thing to buck tradition and invest a lot of money in pass rushers? Certainly the Giants proved it isn't, and they have 2 SBs in the last 6 years to prove it. I'm not advocating signing Spencer to a mega deal, but if the price is right I think he would instantly be our 2nd best pass rusher and would give Perry some time to ease into playing OLB rather than thrusting the job on him immediately.

Very sound and logical post. Proponents for using free agency on this forum never want TT to overspend for anybody. It may be possible that he could be gotten at an acceptable contract. There is a piece on JSOnline that the word is Jennings may not get the mega deal many think and he could resign later, a la James Jones.

We will soon see what the market is for these guys is but it seems EVERYBODY is off the table due to age or cost. I suspect there is some middle ground.

For the record I don't think they will sign Spencer, I'm just saying I think he would be a quality addition. A team converting to the 3-4 or has recently converted would covet a guy like Spencer IMO.

I would be surprised if Jennings re-signs as I think he's detached himself (the home selling was a big giveaway). Is it possible he doesn't get the offer he wants and re-signs in GB? It's possible, but it's a long shot. I think a team like Miami who not only needs a WR, but also veteran leadership would out-bid GB for him.

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We will soon see what the market is for these guys is but it seems EVERYBODY is off the table due to age or cost. I suspect there is some middle ground.

The FAs off the table are those that are old for their position or will command more $$ than they're value/production suggests. There is a middle ground and Thompson signs players from there every (off)season.

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Originally posted by Iowacheese:
5 and 6 sack per year guy....contract year he has 11

Perry had 2 sacks in 6 games. Same pace as Spencer other then his breakout year.

Perry is just learning and has a bright future.

And a third sack was called back for a (dare I say) bogus roughing the passer penalty.

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Originally posted by Boris:
Ha! That would be a classic Jerry Jones move. I would do it. No way we get another player as good as Ware at #26. How old is Ware 29? He's got at least 3 more good years left. Maybe more.

However, it will never happen.

If it was possible, and he was fully healthy ... I'd pay the man top dollar.

He'd be that important to what everyone else is doing on defense.

We need the gamechanger as the other bookend, at least 1 ILB that wants to hurt people and a Safety that can tackle and catch the ball ... I think we have some of that if they can take the next step. But somebody like Ware can hide "green players that are a little wet behind the ears".

Gonna be interesting how this shakes out.

All this talk about adding talent to improve the defense is going to upset the antidomites.

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Originally posted by Grave Digger:

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Originally posted by Iowacheese:
Spencer was a one hit wonder

Dallas thought enough of him to franchise him last offseason,

Jerruh Jones is now the litmus test for good personnel moves?

You think it is worth a shot...I don't. But I think it is great for you that you have the chicken by your side

So, is it safe to say Dallas has not one single player on it's roster the Pack would like to have? Another black and white discussion?

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Originally posted by Iowacheese:
You think it is worth a shot...I don't. But I think it is great for you that you have the chicken by your side

Don't try to weasel your way out of letting me passionately argue until I'm blue in the face.

Jerry isn't the litmus test for good personnel moves, but even a crappy GM doesn't pay a player top 5 money if he is as much of a stinker as you seem to think. That was before he had 11 sacks also. I will defer to your superior football knowedlege though IowaAndyGriffithcheese.

Sorry Chicken Digger....cannot see advocating spending big $$ for a close to 30 yo one year wonder.

But hey keep cluckin away....

How much is he going to cost?

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Originally posted by Tdog:

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Maybe draft a Mad Stork or sumting

Barkevious Mingo!

I don't think it's very nice to speak that way to Radman.

I'd pay Henry Melton top dollar to jump ship from Chitcago. The guy is a beast in the mold of Cullen Jenkins. Go get him Ted!

Melton is 26 and plays with a lot more effort than Spencer.

Dallas seems to embrace the "look like tarzan play like jane" mindset. The only guy on that team that is worth a damn is Ware. Every other guy seems to be OK with being OK and that starts at the top. The Boys would rather look good and lose than look bad and win. It's all about the flash but very little about the substance. Spencer is looking to get paid and let some other team do it.

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Originally posted by Grave Digger:
I'd pay Henry Melton top dollar to jump ship from Chitcago. The guy is a beast in the mold of Cullen Jenkins. Go get him Ted!

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Originally posted by Grave Digger:
He would be a great addition, but he won't make it out of Buffalo Chicago.

I don't know, there was an article at PFT where they pointed out that Chicago already has a ton of money tied up between Peppers, Briggs, and Tillman...almost 40 million. They may not be able to meet Melton's demands. It's a very interesting situation to watch. It would be hard for GB to pay him big money also as they have a lot tied up in Hawk, Pickett and will soon have to re-sign CM3 and Raji. Pickett may be gone after this year, but it's still a lot tied up.

Much like with Spencer, I don't expect it, but it would be good in my opinion.

If only we had drafted Anthony Spencer in the 2007 draft....we might have made a superbowl

Absolutely. Why would you want to fix anything if you're getting a whopping 6 sacks opposite Clay!

...after his ROOKIE year, playing OLB for the first time in his career.

Come on man. If you're going to compare, try apples to apples. Spencer had 3 sacks in his rookie year while playing in all 16 games.

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Originally posted by Tschmack:
I would rather they find another DT or NT because I think Neal and Pickett and Raji can be effective but they are thin beyond those three guys.

Pickett has been more than solid over the last few years, but age is catching up with him. He might make another year, but his replacement better be ready to go by then.
I think most assume re-signing Raji is a no-brainer, but it's not guaranteed. I agree it is a priority, and hope a deal can be reached, but we could easily find ourselves hurting for big bodies on the DL.
Neal is still an unknown, really. I'd like to think he can contribute for years to come, and become an effective DE, but that remains to be seen.

Our guy for OLB is out there, whether it be be draft, trade, or FA, but I think it's likely price would be the overriding factor in finding him.

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Originally posted by DH13:
...after his ROOKIE year, playing OLB for the first time in his career.

Come on man. If you're going to compare, try apples to apples. Spencer had 3 sacks in his rookie year while playing in all 16 games.

Do not allow facts to get in the way of a bad discussion.