Are the Packers an underachieving big tease like The Chargers?

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Originally posted by Aaronstory:
That said, while I think Byrne is talking just about the 2010 season, I tend to feel this way about McCarthy's Packers in general. They are great at putting up lots of numbers. Not so great at winning when it matters. Hope I'm proven wrong over the long haul, starting this Sunday in Philadelphia.

PROVE ME WRONG

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Originally posted by Aaronstory:
Whooo boy did they ever there. Esp Rodgers on that last third down. Man, you just can't BUY clutch performances like that! Yes! Punt-and-pray-the-defense-bails-you-out FEVER! Catch it baby! Whooo hooo!

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Originally posted by Not Fond of Arrigo:
I sometimes think you get treated unfairly on this site, but when you come here with stuff like this, I can see how it happens.

Nagler is well aware of what he is doing; few are as media savvy as Mr.Cheesehead

He comes here to poke sticks, drive clicks and to earn points with his mentor, Bedard

And the 3rd pointy- head in the Devils Triangle.....?

Jerkey Al,who disappeared after he was outed as just another blogger trying to drive traffic to his site on Boris' dime

spot on aaronsatori

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Originally posted by FreeSafety:
pwned.

Pretty weak Aaron.

Lol - you did notice the smile there at the end, right people? MOST places I've visited around the Internet, that would signify that the poster is joking. Not so x4. Lesson learned.

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Originally posted by CAPackFan95:
silent killer

Love the use of "retard" here. Also love how my having an opinion is permission for you to be unbelievably offensive. I really hope your opening this spigot of bile has made you feel better.

For the record, who was defending Thompson's trade of Favre in favor of letting Rodgers play? I was. Who was defending Rodgers in 2008 when everyone was talking about how he couldn't "win a close game"? I was. Try actually reading or knowing my history before calling me a hack and, yes, "retarded", which by the way, is a technical term that could be applied to my 5 year old.

You have a difference of opinion - that's fine. Just make a civil ****ing case. Don't copy and paste Jason Wilde's work and then gus it up as your own and throw in the word "retard" - it's beyond offensive and just proves what a small, pathetic person you really are.

Cheers.

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Now Aaronstory, your original ( and erroneous)gripe was about MM's offense and I might note that the Packers offense and Rodgers have scored 7 TDs in the playoffs so far

Cough *** 9 TDs **** cough

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I really hope your opening this spigot of bile has made you feel better.

I don't believe you. 'Cause if you really did hope he felt better you would have called it the "stream of healing".

Spigot of bile > Old Milwaukee

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Originally posted by Aaronstory:
Love the use of "retard" here. Also love how my having an opinion is permission for you to be unbelievably offensive. I really hope your opening this spigot of bile has made you feel better.

I feel great all the time. Why? Because I have the intellectual capacity to look beyond simple statements like "Rodgers isn't clutch" or repeat memes of the truly moronic like "7-15 in games decided by 7 pts" or state "you have pretty much been able to count on them choking away whatever chance at victory the Packers have". Then again, I'm not paid to make outlandish statements designed to drive clicks or ad buys or radio ratings.

But, just so I'm clear, my use of over the top language is "a spigot of bile" because I use certain letters of the alphabet in a certain order, but the "contrarians" that make asinine statements isn't a "spigot of bile"? How convenient. Let me put it this way - you make controversial comments to drive traffic to your little web site, I make controversial comments to mock that.

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Who was defending Rodgers in 2008 when everyone was talking about how he couldn't "win a close game"? I was.

Really?

"Because when it comes to the offense, apart from the opening game of the 2009 season against the Bears and the last minutes of the game in Atlanta this season, you have pretty much been able to count on them choking away whatever chance at victory the Packers have."

If that's coming to his defense, I'd hate to think what you'd say if you were ripping him.

You made the above statement. I didn't. You need to own it. I pointed out how that was inaccurate and rather lazy. Tell me, how is the above statement, made last week, at all defending Rodgers and the offense?

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You have a difference of opinion - that's fine. Just make a civil ****ing case. Don't copy and paste Jason Wilde's work and then gus it up as your own and throw in the word "retard" - it's beyond offensive and just proves what a small, pathetic person you really are.

Cheers.

Point 1 I'd love to see this supposed work I copy/pasted. Please provide the citation.

Point 2 Name calling is OK as long as it uses words you deem appropriate, is that correct? Just want to understand the ground rules here.

Did the Packers win a playoff game??

Butthurt.tv, definitely for pussies.

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Originally posted by Henry:
Butthurt.tv, definitely for pussies.

And for those with a modicum of decency.

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Originally posted by CAPackFan95:
all those things CAP said silent killer

You're right - "pathetic" was a cheap shot. But calling someone "retarded" is small. And I love how my saying the offense isn't clutch carries equal weight as calling someone retarded.

As you can obviously tell, it pushed a button and I overreacted. Apologies.

That said, you didn't read or didn't get what I just wrote. Yes, you cite my comment about the offense...from a few days ago - after I just talked about defending Rodgers...in 2008. I've been in the kids corner for a long time. I'm not allowed to have evolving opinions on the guy? I've written tons of posts...this year...about what a great quarterback I think he is - but I get sick of watching the same film over and over at the end of games. Its pure frustration on my part and I don't hide that fact.

Like the final 3rd down we saw yesterday. One throw or scramble for a first down and the game is won. Instead, Rodgers takes a horrendous sack and leaves the game's fate in the hands of the defense.

As for copying and pasting, your list of games looks awfully close to a post Jason Wilde put up last month. I'll find it and post it and let people draw their own conclusions.

As for the whole "making money" aspect of your argument, that is beyond laughable. I have not made a penny off of CHTV. Not. One. Cent. If anything, it costs me money to help run the site. But please, keep basing your argument on your preconceived notions of what I do without bothering to, again, read and know the history of what you're commenting on.

And YOU want to talk to ME about intellectual honesty? Brilliant.

I'd rahter have the sack and a punt than the pick by Vick or the INT we saw from TOG every year.

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Originally posted by ammo:
I'd rahter have the sack and a punt than the pick by Vick or the INT we saw from TOG every year.

As would I - but how is that "clutch"?

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Originally posted by ammo:
I'd rather have the sack and a punt than the pick by Vick or the INT we saw from TOG every year.

It's clutch in the fact he relies on his teammates to win a game instead of making a mind-numbing stupid mistake. TBH, it's quite refreshing from the previous QB.

The difference between a Packer fan's perspective on Aaron Rodgers, and that of your average twit journalist that mindlessly repeats the "Rodgers isn't clutch" meme is that we watch him play every game, and the pundits do not. Half of these "journalists" aren't worthy of the name.

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Originally posted by Aaronstory:
...Punt-and-pray-the-defense-bails-you-out FEVER!...

This has been a staple of football about as long as the game has been around. If your defense is playing well, there's no need to take extraordinary chances on offense.
Just ask the Ravens, Steelers, Bears. Bucs...

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Originally posted by ammo:
I'd rahter have the sack and a punt than the pick by Vick or the INT we saw from TOG every year.

^^ This.

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Originally posted by Aaronstory:
As you can obviously tell, it pushed a button and I overreacted. Apologies.

And here. I may think what you wrote is lazy and moronic, but I will refrain using the word I did, as I know better than that, and I apologize as well.

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That said, you didn't read or didn't get what I just wrote. Yes, you cite my comment about the offense...from a few days ago - after I just talked about defending Rodgers...in 2008. I've been in the kids corner for a long time. I'm not allowed to have evolving opinions on the guy?

No one said that you couldn't. I'm debating the point you made - which was that there have only been 2 games where Rodgers and the offense didn't choke at the end of the game. That's what you said. Not this year, you clearly implied that is 2 games in his career where he hasn't choked.

You didn't say "hey, I think that as year 3 of being a starter, Rodgers can't throw that INT against WA, he's gotta do something on one of those last 3 drives vs Miami, and I'd like to see him steal a game we had no business winning." Had you said THAT, it wouldn't seem lazy or like you're just stirring poop, and I wouldn't have said a thing. The way you wrote the piece was like repeating the same lazy memes of Shermanista's, Favre First Fans, and morons like Cowherd - Rodgers isn't clutch because of close losses. The reality is that yeah, he's had a few games that I know we all wish could have turned out better. The ATL game in 08, AR had a bad 4th. The TB game he got hurt and made a real bad throw. The WA and Miami games were ones it would have been great to steal this year.

No one is saying he's untouchable. Trust me, I have no interest in the hero worship and the excuses that everyone provided the previous guy. But blanket lazy criticisms that have little basis in fact hurt writers. You could have had a legit argument, but the over the top nature of it makes me question the whole thing.

But, the fact is that the ST and Def have pissed away 11 of those 15 <7 pt losses after Rodgers drove the team to what he was supposed to do - taking a lead, tying a game, or driving them in position to kick a GW Field goal. This is something that I don't expect a BSPN moron like Cowherd to know, although they should. I can get the details in 90 seconds from ESPN's own website. But it IS something I would absolutely expect a Packer writer to know.

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Like the final 3rd down we saw yesterday. One throw or scramble for a first down and the game is won. Instead, Rodgers takes a horrendous sack and leaves the game's fate in the hands of the defense.

It was the same coaching script we would have seen from EVERY coach in the NFL in that position. Chew the clock on 1st and 2nd, and since we're getting to the 2 min warning, we can throw. They throw an incomplete pass on 1st or 2nd, and Philly has probably 30-40 more seconds. Vick isn't as rushed, who knows what happens. Next, taking the sack was a FAR FAR better option than throwing an incomplete pass with 2:03 left or some Favre like pick. So, while I would have like to see a scramble/first down, Rodgers didn't make a mistake or stop the clock. Every fan wanted a pass on 1st or 2nd, and while it could have worked, that's a recipe for disaster, and I think MM called it right for the most part. I still would like to see AR naked bootleg on 2nd there after a fake handoff I think that play is there so often. But, MM made the absolute right calls in that last drive, and Rodgers didn't make a mistake that prevented a win. Sometimes that's OK. And while you might believe that happens too often, again, I think the games I pointed out clearly show that in fact Rodgers DID make the clutch drives late in the 4th of close games, and his D/ST gave it away far more often than some tend to remember.

Finally, I'd argue that you know what, the D/ST owes him for 2008. Big Time. About time they paid him back.

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As for the whole "making money" aspect of your argument, that is beyond laughable. I have not made a penny off of CHTV. Not. One. Cent. If anything, it costs me money to help run the site.

My statement was more generic of "people" that make outlandish statements to drive traffic/ratings a la Cowherd. That being said, you still want to drive traffic to your site, and as I mentioned above, the easily debunked outlandish statement makes me question whether it was opinion or intention poop stirring to drive hits.

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Originally posted by CAPackFan95:
I still would like to see AR naked bootleg on 2nd there after a fake handoff I think that play is there so often.

Dammit CA, now some Atlanta coach is reading X4 and will know what play we will run on 2nd down with about 2 minutes left.

I forget the game earlier this year, but I remember a similar situation where they clock was not run down all the way and an incomplete pass resulted in clock stoppage before the 2 minute warning. That essentially gave the other team an additional first down to move the ball.

I thought the play was smart, take the risk of a pass, but only throw the surest of completions, with a first down being secondary to keeping the clock moving. Anything riskier in that situation would have been crazy and truly "anti-clutch."

I like that our QB plays smart.

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Originally posted by Aaronstory:


As would I - but how is that "clutch"?

And here I thought your "smiley face" meant you were just joking?

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Originally posted by Timmy!:

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Originally posted by Aaronstory:
...Punt-and-pray-the-defense-bails-you-out FEVER!...

This has been a staple of football about as long as the game has been around. If your defense is playing well, there's no need to take extraordinary chances on offense.
Just ask the Ravens, Steelers, Bears. Bucs...

no no no no NO! TIMMY! If it ain't gawdy and flashy it's not a victory, it's a loss avoided. Moral victories hold more weight to this crowd than a actual win. See, when the defense wins MM has absolutely no control over that fact. He doesn't ask Capers and his defense to play at the high level he knows they can, Capers just comes riding in on his white horse while MM stands there like a stooge.

Who got the blame for the Packers defense playing "soft" underneath in the 4th? (a excellent strategy IMO that forced the Eagles to eat clock and still have to come with another drive) Was it Capers? No, it had to be the infamous "MM playcalling".

Asking your defense to make plays isn't acceptable especially after you get done telling everyone how subpar the offensive play calling is.

Butthurt.tv, a modicum of decency with your cherry picked, pre-fabbed opinions.

This is exactly why the NFL changed the rules in favor of the offense. Fans consider a defensive stop for a win to be "avoiding a loss" because "the offense wasn't aggressive enough". Why is letting your defense win the game considered to be passive? Pretty sure if you told that to Kevin Greene's face he'd knock you out.

Favre was aggressive at the end of games and look where it got us.

This whole thing is garden variety armchair QB'ing by fans with the enormous benefit of hindsight. If AR had thrown an incomplete pass and given the Eagles another 35 seconds of time, there would be entire threads screaming nothing but "RUN THE F**KING BALL, MM! YOU MORON!" I'd bet my bottom dollar that MM told AR that if nothing was there, try to run, and if that wasn't there, just eat it and we'll let the defense close the game out. When your defense and ST's are playing well, you manage the game that way, just as GB did at other times this year, specifically against the Jets and Bears. Trying to spin that into "AR isn't clutch" is about as friggin stupid as it gets - I thought we had moved past that idiotic meme.

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Originally posted by JJSD:
This whole thing is garden variety armchair QB'ing by fans with the enormous benefit of hindsight. If AR had thrown an incomplete pass and given the Eagles another 35 seconds of time, there would be entire threads screaming nothing but "RUN THE F**KING BALL, MM! YOU MORON!" I'd bet my bottom dollar that MM told AR that if nothing was there, try to run, and if that wasn't there, just eat it and we'll let the defense close the game out. When your defense and ST's are playing well, you manage the game that way, just as GB did at other times this year, specifically against the Jets and Bears.

You're completely right. But many fans prefer to believe that MM froze for 2 minutes and forgot to call plays. Or that he is too dumb to know how to read his play sheet.

I just still cannot get over the hate against McCarthy from some Packer fans. It's like all the hate for TT moved to MM as soon as it became clear that TT was doing a great job. I live in Denver and went to CU. Trust me, I know bad coaching between Dan Hawkins and Josh McDaniels. MM is a good coach. He makes mistakes but who doesn't? Even Belicheck screws up occasionally.

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Originally posted by JJSD:
Trying to spin that into "AR isn't clutch" is about as friggin stupid as it gets - I thought we had moved past that idiotic meme.

Think Michael Myers....

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Originally posted by Henry:
still not getting it silent killer

Henry: King of the Strawman.

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Originally posted by Aaronstory:

As for the whole "making money" aspect of your argument, that is beyond laughable. I have not made a penny off of CHTV. Not. One. Cent. If anything, it costs me money to help run the site. But please, keep basing your argument on your preconceived notions of what I do without bothering to, again, read and know the history of what you're commenting on.

Launching, growing and caring for CHTV has brought you a wealth of notoriety, a chance to meet the commissioner, a day at the NFL HQ, interviews with Packer players, media access and a wealth of other non-monetary perks

You wanna talk about being intellectually dishonest ? Fine, but let's not hide behind your self-provided P&L statement. If CHTV didn't matter and didn't drive your behavior and motivation, it would be gone like a hundred other blogs that withered on the vine. So when you come here and pretend your participation isn't for the "benefit" of CHTV, I find that hard to accept

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Originally posted by CUPackFan:
I just still cannot get over the hate against McCarthy from some Packer fans. It's like all the hate for TT moved to MM as soon as it became clear that TT was doing a great job.

Word.

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Originally posted by Satori:
could you try and pay attention silent killer

I cam here for the "benefit" of CHTV? I didn't post the link and I didn't start the thread. I came here because I saw the trackback. And where did I say CHTV "didn't matter"? I said I haven't made a dime off of it - which is the truth.

Has anybody ever bought you a beer via paypal on account of CHTV ?

Hold on a minute and I will send you a dime, maybe even two



I enjoy CHTV and so do many others, can't understand why you wouldn't admit that your ownership impacts both your behavior and POV

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Originally posted by Aaronstory:


Henry: King of the Strawman.

Henry, you make my butt hurt!

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Originally posted by Timmy!:
Henry, you make my butt hurt!

Get in line.

What is the downer worry this week that we can all bitch about? Playcalling? Shiny Free Agents?

Looking forward to the derp!