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With the salaries paid these men wouldn't the cost of an 2nd opinion sooner be more cost effective since they would return to play sooner?

I was wondering the same. I'm guessing (wildly) they don't have specialists on staff but just a general practitioner.

Don't we have a doctor in the x4 house who could throw a little informed speculation on the topic?
FWIW, here was an answer to this very question in yesterday's MJS chat that quote's JJ Watt's trainer:

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Q: Jeff, Oregon - Hi Lori, the Packers have had more than a normal amount of injuries twice in 3 years. Is it mere coincidence or is there possibly a problem with strength and conditioning? Thank you.

A: Lori Nickel - Hi Jeff, great question. For years and years I believed that injuries are just flukes. But I have learned something from this year’s offensive line and from Brad Arnett, this trainer in Waukesha (J.J. Watt’s guy). Arnett said most injuries happen with fatigue. A tired, worn out player, be it from a long training camp, brutal practices or a long season, is susceptible to all injuries, especially muscle pulls and tears. A guy already playing with some type of injury is also likely to hurt something else by compensating for that first injury; running differently on a bad knee for example can hurt an ankle. So that's probably why McCarthy cut back on practice time the last two weeks or so, and because he had fewer healthy bodies in practice.

Otherwise, the offensive line guys T.J. Lang, Marshall Newshouse and Josh Sitton explained very well that some injuries are unavoidable. If they’re locked and engaged in a block and someone rolls up on their knee, there’s nothing they can do. So groin pulls, hamstrings, cramping, maybe some of that can be alleviated somewhat with correct training, rest, treatment, etc. I'd say every body is different, a 24 year old can get away with things even a 29 year old can’t, body types are constructed differently, pain is subjective, etc. And this is still a nasty, vicious game.
I stopped reading during the second paragraph (eyes started bleeding, not conditioned to that kind of reading).

Once again, the Packers seem to be the team in the NFL that has been most decimated by injuries.

Well, do they seem to be, or are they? I think most Packer fans measure amount of injuries in the vacuum of Packer games. In our 4 year sample, we have "few injuries, lots of injuries, few injuries, lots of injuries." How about all of the NFL? Do some franchises have more injuries than others (year to year, over a 3 year sample, 6 years)? What is their conditioning program? What turf do the play on? How many extra games have those players played with play off appearances?

Answer than and we can talk, until then, it is all pretty weak speculation.
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Originally posted by El-Ka-Bong:
I stopped reading during the second paragraph (eyes started bleeding, not conditioned to that kind of reading).

Once again, the Packers seem to be the team in the NFL that has been most decimated by injuries.

Well, do they seem to be, or are they? I think most Packer fans measure amount of injuries in the vacuum of Packer games. In our 4 year sample, we have "few injuries, lots of injuries, few injuries, lots of injuries." How about all of the NFL? Do some franchises have more injuries than others (year to year, over a 3 year sample, 6 years)? What is their conditioning program? What turf do the play on? How many extra games have those players played with play off appearances?

Answer than and we can talk, until then, it is all pretty weak speculation.


Good point, El Ka. And it might just seem we have more injuries than other teams. I don't know how one could research that. Where does one go for a week by week list of injured players, sorted by teams?

I look at the Sunday morning Dallas Morning News, and check the injuries for that particular weekend's games. I will also watch the ticker at the bottom of ESPN as I make any last minute adjustments. But beyond the players on my fantasy teams, I don't give other teams and their injuries a lot of thought.
One trend I think I'm noticing over the last 2-3 years is a big rash of injuries, typically starting around week 5 or week 6. The numbers of injuries level off through week 9-10, and teams hang on the best they can for the stretch run.
I don't know if there's any correlation between the new workout/CBA rules and the number of injuries, but it's easy to draw the conclusion.
Or can football players no longer last through a full season, and their bodies are breaking down quicker? Wouldn't seem likely to me; in fact, the opposite should be true.

Another trend that's been around longer, is how injuries seem to be clustered in cycles. Knee injuries and ankle sprains have been a constant, but the latest trends have been shoulders and hamstrings. Lisfranc injuries have become somewhat common among RB's in recent years, but not as numerous as the shoulders/hammies.
Since these happen all across the league, it's hard to suspect conditioning programs, unless there's a common "flaw" that many programs would have in common.

Lastly, do you/how do you factor in field type? I have assumed that FieldTurf was widely welcomed by players, but have seen tweets quoting players complaining about it. Or is it not a factor in type and severity of injuries?
The notion that GB is somehow jinxed or their conditioning is to blame for the injuries is utterly ridiculous.

Pretty sure Lombardi once said "football isn't a contact sport, it's a collision sport"

There's a reason the average NFL player only lasts in the league for 3-4 years. It's violent and injuries are a common occurrence.

Take a look at Pittsburgh. How many games have Woodley and Harrison and Polamalu missed in the last year? At one point this year, the Steelers were down to like their 3rd RB and Mendenhall isn't close to being healthy. One of their starting OL is out. Antonio Brown will likely be missing time with a jacked up foot.

Another team that comes to mind is KC in 2011. Eric Berry, Charles, and Moeaki all tore their ACLs. I know several other key players missed time. Did their trainers suck too?
On the flip side, it is unbelievable how healthy the 49ers have been the last 2 seasons. Have they lost any time from one of their significant contributors? Their injury report is pretty clean for week 10: 9 probable guys who had full participation in practice with 2 guys on IR that I've never even heard of (Garrett Chisolm and Parys Haralson). It was the same last year too. Is it luck? Or is it something else?

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