No, it's never occurred to me - ever. Thanks for pointing that out. All Hawk has done is play his position for years, win a SB and take heat from fans who think they have a clue how to run a team. You don't - we don't - they do. Bush started one game this year. You know why? They got beat and they had alternatives to plug in.
Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps they have already considered the alternatives on the roster and decided that there isn't one there that provides them with a better chance to win? Especially since they've been, you know, winning?
quote:All Hawk has done is play his position for years, win a SB
Yes, they couldn't have done it without him.. Wasn't he co-MVP? Anyway, this looks like the he wears Green & Gold argument I referenced earlier.
quote:Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps they have already considered the alternatives on the roster and decided that there isn't one there that provides them with a better chance to win? Especially since they've been, you know, winning?
Yes it has.. Did you see me say he should be replaced for player X anywhere in this thread? No, you did see me say he should be replaced by Bishop and Smith in prior threads.. Might have been wrong on Smith.. Either way, Hawk is borderline horrible.
quote:Originally posted by JJSD:
No, it's never occurred to me - ever. Thanks for pointing that out.
Wow dude. I expected more from a lah-yur.
quote:Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps they have already considered the alternatives on the roster and decided that there isn't one there that provides them with a better chance to win? Especially since they've been, you know, winning?
Winning in spite of is not the same as winning because of. I do agree though that Hawk is on the field because he's the best of what's available. It's the same as the Mason Crosby debate, yes it sucks having a slumping player in there, but take a look around at what else is available and suddenly your turd is a little shinier!
At this point, I don't think many will argue that Hawk is not impressive at his position. I agree that if Bishop and Smith had remained healthy, he might have been replaced this season.
I think he is pretty assignment sure, reliable as far as injury and does show leadership out there. The alternative at the present time could be a lot worse.
Funny thing is that he had that flash of good play right when his contract was up and TT bit. Even the best make mistakes.
As far as getting pushed back, this was a big problem the last two games. You can understand AP doing it, but the Lions were also doing it. I thought the Packers were making good contact around the LOS, but the backs were pushing forward for 3-4 yards. That is a big difference. It seemed the Packers got more physical and better in the second half which was a big part of the turnaround. They need to play like that to make any sort of run in the playoffs.
I think he is pretty assignment sure, reliable as far as injury and does show leadership out there. The alternative at the present time could be a lot worse.
Funny thing is that he had that flash of good play right when his contract was up and TT bit. Even the best make mistakes.
As far as getting pushed back, this was a big problem the last two games. You can understand AP doing it, but the Lions were also doing it. I thought the Packers were making good contact around the LOS, but the backs were pushing forward for 3-4 yards. That is a big difference. It seemed the Packers got more physical and better in the second half which was a big part of the turnaround. They need to play like that to make any sort of run in the playoffs.
I think you can BANK on it, Barclay will keep his job.
Who is this Barclay guy? He isn't mentioned much other than the thread title.
I think Hawk is suffering from a lack of rotation the same way Walden is. They're wearing down late in the year. They both looked a lot better earlier in the season before we lost 75% of the LB's. Has everyone forgotten how good, yes I said good, Hawk (and Walden) looked in some of those earlier games? I remember reading an article about both of them and how their "best" year was making an impact on the D. Ideally you want 3-down players at every position but that's not really how Capers works anyway. The real problem this season is not Hawk and Walden, it's the lack of a good/healthy rotation of guys around them.
I have never seen Bishop go backwards on a hit. It seems the guy he tackles is stood up right where he is, if not pushed significantly backwards. I think Bishop is a great tackling LB.quote:Originally posted by Herschel:quote:Originally posted by FLPACKER:
...Hawk just isn't a "hitter" like Bishop is.
Bishop hits like a truck, but covers like one too. Unfortunately for the Packers, Hawk just covers like one.
quote:Originally posted by Hud:
Yes, multiple threads turn into Hawk bashing, and it is tiring, but what is concerning is that he doesn't get criticized by McCarthy and his staff. Keeping it in house?... they don't keep it in house when they talk about Finley, or Shields, or other players needing to step up. Yes, Hawk may be gone next year, but this year we have a legitimate shot at the whole thing. Why wouldn't you substitute Francois occasionally in the next three games... just to see? Probably team unity. Probably because Hawk is a nice guy, very popular. But do we really want to see Hawk and Jones guarding the middle of the field against Welker? Or any tight end the Giants send out?... or stuffing the box like they did against Adrian Pederson? Burnett had a great game against Minnesota, two interceptions, seven or eight tackles, and he took crap for missing on two. Hawk leads a charmed life. I'm done bashing, just wish McCarthy would take a look.
This might be one of the most ridiculous takes I have read in a while. Do you think that MM and Compers aren't putting the best player at the position on the field because of popularity? There are two things that talk in that locker room, Winning and $$$.
quote:Originally posted by BrainDed:
Anyone feel like Pancakes this morning?
http://www.mobypicture.com/use...otball/view/14352095
talk about tentative to the hole. that's why he got pancaked.
I can't stop watching it and laughing..
I don't know if AJ was tentative to the hole but he did do his job and filled his gap. AP chose a different one.
do not take this as an endorsement of AJ Hawk in any way.
do not take this as an endorsement of AJ Hawk in any way.
I think he got his gap filled.
NFLs leading tacklers are (not) impact players Impact = sacks, forced fumbles, int's, etc...
Brad Jones is beating Hawk in Impact Plays...in a little more than half as many games.
quote:Originally posted by JJSD:
Campen is the AJ Hawk of OL coaches.
Campen is my bitch.
quote:Originally posted by Tdog:
I don't know if AJ was tentative to the hole but he did do his job and filled his gap. AP chose a different one.
do not take this as an endorsement of AJ Hawk in any way.
when did filling your gap include being on your backside? he looked more like a doormat.
You know if AP picked that hole he would have reached up and grabbed an ankle.. He is a dependable gamer who wins at all costs.
Bitch and moan about Hawk all you want just like Bush. I'll put my trust in the coaching staff who sees these guys every day in practice. For some reason I think they're a better judge of talent and who should be playing.
Back on track...Barclay has done a decent job so far with limited reps. Is he good for the long-term or a stop-gap? No one knows at this point. Let's not start moving linemen around because this guy filled in with a couple good games.
LEAVE IT TO THE COACHES!
Back on track...Barclay has done a decent job so far with limited reps. Is he good for the long-term or a stop-gap? No one knows at this point. Let's not start moving linemen around because this guy filled in with a couple good games.
LEAVE IT TO THE COACHES!
well if i can't bitch about bush or hawk can i still bitch about tyrone davis?
I think the coaching staff is making the right choice putting Hawk out there, he is the best option. Doesn't mean he isn't overpaid IMGHTO.
He is one guy that seriously needs to play better.
He is one guy that seriously needs to play better.
Not gonna happen without a decent rotation. They're all incapacitated till next summer.
quote:Originally posted by RatPack:
Bulaga to left guard and Lang to center? Sherrod/Newhouse best man wins.
Agreed that would help the running game especially on 3rd and 1
I think another worry is how well they're going to play when they finally get back. Bulaga sounded pretty beat up and really didn't looks so good before he got beat up, Sherrod has barely taken a snap in two years, they lost a season of figuring out if Perry can play OLB at the pro level and Bishop is going to be 29 at the start of next season.
For some reason they think EDS can be a center of the future and Saturday can barely handle being the center of right now with another year on his contract. If those two are the top of the depth chart at center next year there's reason for concern. Newhouse is wildly inconsistent at the most important position on the line and when he plays bad it's ruin the offense kind of bad.
For some reason they think EDS can be a center of the future and Saturday can barely handle being the center of right now with another year on his contract. If those two are the top of the depth chart at center next year there's reason for concern. Newhouse is wildly inconsistent at the most important position on the line and when he plays bad it's ruin the offense kind of bad.
quote:Originally posted by Packy:
Sentence 1 - I'll put my trust in the coaching staff who sees these guys every day in practice. For some reason I think they're a better judge of talent and who should be playing.
Sentence 2 - Let's not start moving linemen around because this guy filled in with a couple good games.
LEAVE IT TO THE COACHES!
Head scratcher...
FOLLOW YOUR OWN ADVICE so you don't look foolish.... or... accept that this is a fan message board used for sharing opinions. You can't have it both ways.
I wonder how that Barclay guy is doing.
quote:Originally posted by BrainDed:
Anyone feel like Pancakes this morning?
http://www.mobypicture.com/use...otball/view/14352095
That reminds me of William Henderson taking out Junior Seau back in 1996
Back on topic.
Barclay is doing great. I think you can expect him to be at RT this Sunday
I thought Henderson pwned Ray Lewis real good once.
quote:Originally posted by Boris:
That reminds me of William Henderson taking out Junior Seau back in 1996
Wow. I must miss out on all the good gossip. I knew Seau was pretty open about his personal life, but I didn't know they ever actually went out together.
Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course.
quote:Originally posted by Boris:
Barclay is doing great. I think you can expect him to be at RT this Sunday
I sure hope so. If Lang lines up on the right side and Barclay lines up on the bench, I'm going to be seriously disappointed.
quote:Originally posted by BrainDed:quote:Originally posted by Packy:
Sentence 1 - I'll put my trust in the coaching staff who sees these guys every day in practice. For some reason I think they're a better judge of talent and who should be playing.
Sentence 2 - Let's not start moving linemen around because this guy filled in with a couple good games.
LEAVE IT TO THE COACHES!
Head scratcher...
FOLLOW YOUR OWN ADVICE so you don't look foolish.... or... accept that this is a fan message board used for sharing opinions. You can't have it both ways.
Brain Dead, I was referring to letting the coaches decide the best fit for the O-linemen that they have healthy. Many have said because Barclay has looked decent for a couple games that when Lang comes back he should move to the left side and Barclay should still be starting. Just saying leave it to the coaches who see these guys in practice every day rather than the fans who only see the games. Get it yet?
No, I don't get it.
1 - I provided an opinion about Hawk. You replied to let the coaches decide.
2 - In your next paragraph you made the statement "Let's not start moving around linemen." This is you inserting an opinion on a matter instead of keeping hush and letting the coaches decide.
To follow your own advice you could have said, "I hope the coaches make the right choice on positioning the linemen and I will support the choice no matter what my opinion is."
Get it? I like this place because we share opinions, not just blindly praise and follow.
1 - I provided an opinion about Hawk. You replied to let the coaches decide.
2 - In your next paragraph you made the statement "Let's not start moving around linemen." This is you inserting an opinion on a matter instead of keeping hush and letting the coaches decide.
To follow your own advice you could have said, "I hope the coaches make the right choice on positioning the linemen and I will support the choice no matter what my opinion is."
Get it? I like this place because we share opinions, not just blindly praise and follow.
quote:Originally posted by TimthePackerFan:
Isn't Hawk leading the Packers in tackles?
âĒHas either led the team or finished second in tackles in five of his six seasons in Green Bay.
âĒHas appeared in 94 of a possible 96 regular-season games in his career, starting 91 of them.
âĒMissed his first-ever games in 2011 after suffering a calf injury at Detroit in Week 12.
You don't understand, the bed-wetters gotta hate, and Hawk is an easy target.
@WesHod
Let the OL guessing begin, Lang took snaps at LG, EDS took reps at center and LG. Barclay at RT
Let the OL guessing begin, Lang took snaps at LG, EDS took reps at center and LG. Barclay at RT
quote:Originally posted by FreeSafety:
I thought Henderson pwned Ray Lewis real good once.
Blowed him up real good.
Joking about William Henderson will not be tolerated. Thank you in advance.
quote:Originally posted by BrainDed:
No, I don't get it.
1 - I provided an opinion about Hawk. You replied to let the coaches decide.
2 - In your next paragraph you made the statement "Let's not start moving around linemen." This is you inserting an opinion on a matter instead of keeping hush and letting the coaches decide.
To follow your own advice you could have said, "I hope the coaches make the right choice on positioning the linemen and I will support the choice no matter what my opinion is."
Get it? I like this place because we share opinions, not just blindly praise and follow.
you for real?
Don Barclay.
would make a great lounge or Carnival Cruise line singer name
Maybe a career choice after he is done playing RT or between plays.