+/- beating the bears ass yet again

@Timpranillo posted:

In the last 29 years I've been able to see the Packers go 44-14 vs the Bears after 20 years of ugly losses, bad teams, embarrassing moments and getting beat down regularly.

I've got to witness a 20-3 stretch with Favre and a 21-4 stretch with Rodgers.

I can't even imagine what it must be like to be a Bears fan and see that kind of dominance for THAT long.  I am pretty close to your age (I am 51) and remember that stretch of dominance by the Bears over the Pack from December of '83 thru December of '91 (Bears had 14-3 record vs. Pack in that era) felt like a LONG LONG time.  It's getting to the point that the Pack's level of dominance over them is going on almost 4 times as long as that now.

I suppose the Bears did have a brief period between 2004 and 2008 where they were pretty competitive and caused the Pack some problems sweeping the Pack in '05 and '07.  But other than that little window, the Pack has mostly been just incredibly dominant in the rivalry from '92 - today. 

Samesies here.

I have a vague memory of the Bears playing in a Super Bowl fairly recently, but all those moments are lost in time, like tears in the rain.

The Grossman Bowl!

@Timpranillo posted:

Plus

In the last 29 years I've been able to see the Packers go 44-14 vs the Bears after 20 years of ugly losses, bad teams, embarrassing moments and getting beat down regularly.

I've got to witness a 20-3 stretch with Favre and a 21-4 stretch with Rodgers.

Beating the Bears is like Christmas, my birthday, and NYE all rolled into one. Every time it's as good as sports gets.

That stretch has been incredible. Back in 91/92, we'd never have believed the Pack would end up tying the head to head and taking the lead. That's as special as any other great landmark achievements we've been able to witness.

@PackerHawk posted:

If he would simply use his arms that would be a start. For a guy with a long history of shoulder injuries he sure does use his shoulders a lot to tackle.

Interesting you mentioned that, 'Hawk.
I think it was Romo that said during the Titans game, that a lot of DBs don't "wrap up" with their arms when they tackle, because it increases the chance of a shoulder injury.
I've never heard of that before, but it could certainly explain why we don't see a lot of 'textbook' tackles from Ss and CBs.

The offense was knocked a little wobbly for whatever reason after the MVS drop- which is concerning. It seemed like Rodgers was a little flustered the next few series- he almost threw 3 picks and started holding the ball more. It wasn’t until he started squeezing in a few to Adams that he shook it off- and that is a little concerning.

A few more +s:
In addition to @Timpranillo's comments on the history of the greatest rivalry, there's not much sweeter than OWNING their home field. 22-5 over the last 27 games at Soldier Field!

Beating them there when they are honoring a former player. Nothing against Gale Sayers, but it just adds a little extra icing on the cookie. I'll NEVER forget the Halloween game when they were honoring Butkus and (interestingly enough) Sayers at halftime!

Arod passed a certain former QB for most TD passes thrown at Soldier by a Packers QB.

And capping off this historical season with more personal, team, and league records and other milestones.

+ The NFL made it through a a 16 game/17 week schedule with only a handful of minor adjustments, (although the Denver Broncos may feel that playing a game without a QB doesn't qualify as minor).

I've gone from highly skeptical at the start of the season to genuinely impressed that the NFL was able to pull this off.
I guess the take away is: never underestimate what a group of highly motivated billionaires can accomplish when they put there best payed people on it.

- SCANTLIIIIIIIING

@fightphoe93 posted:

I am pretty close to your age (I am 51) and remember that stretch of dominance by the Bears over the Pack from December of '83 thru December of '91 (Bears had 14-3 record vs. Pack in that era) felt like a LONG LONG time.  It's getting to the point that the Pack's level of dominance over them is going on almost 4 times as long as that now.

I suppose the Bears did have a brief period between 2004 and 2008 where they were pretty competitive and caused the Pack some problems sweeping the Pack in '05 and '07.  But other than that little window, the Pack has mostly been just incredibly dominant in the rivalry from '92 - today.

My first memory of Packers football was a 1976 Shriners game in pre-season vs the Falcons my father took me to at County Stadium. David Beverley had a negative yardage punt and that will be seared in my brain forever. So, while I don't recall much before that, it felt like the Bears were kicking the Packers asses FOREVER. and even looking back 76 - 83 was no picnic as Bears won 9/14. Yeah, Marcol in 80 and Magik in 89, but man, it was bleak. That last year of Lindy in 1991 was just so demoralizing. It was rock bottom.

And yeah, it's always weird going back and seeing that stretch 2004-2007 where the Bears won 6/8.  2004-2006 at least you can understand as Sherman and Favre didn't care anymore, but 2007 especially is weird as hell. Favre is reenergized, Pack goes 13-3, Bears are 7-9 but sweep, convincingly both games. 

I just can't stop thinking about this fact. It was 81-57 Chicago at one point. Green Bay got to 101 wins before Chicago got to 96.  THAT IS ABSOLUTELY FREAKING BONKERS.

From   81-57-6
To        95-101-6

+

A win against a rival and the #1 seed.

AR sure looked like the MVP.

Dominique Dafney, Followed up his TD with a nice shot on Patterson on the KO return.

Loved Jaire denying Graham a garbage-time TD.

Trubisky is Trubisky and he threw three to the Packers.

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Packers only caught one of the three but great timing by Amos.

Special team continue to be a disaster.

@Music City posted:

The offense was knocked a little wobbly for whatever reason after the MVS drop- which is concerning. It seemed like Rodgers was a little flustered the next few series- he almost threw 3 picks and started holding the ball more. It wasn’t until he started squeezing in a few to Adams that he shook it off- and that is a little concerning.

I could be way off on this, but it almost seems like AR starts to chase the big play when frustrated.

@Pakrz posted:

Love that dude.

I, for one am shocked by this revelation

+ Jaire (Extend him before it's to late!)

Daffy (John Kuhn 2.0) ?

Famous Amos

Bob Ball

Patrick Lucas the Prince of Darkness and the rest of the line

Major Butthurt in Queensland

- Terrell err Marques (Defense has to honor him though... Keep throwing it)

Too many long Bares drives

King tackles worse than The Rapist

@fightphoe93 posted:

I can't even imagine what it must be like to be a Bears fan and see that kind of dominance for THAT long.  I am pretty close to your age (I am 51) and remember that stretch of dominance by the Bears over the Pack from December of '83 thru December of '91 (Bears had 14-3 record vs. Pack in that era) felt like a LONG LONG time.  It's getting to the point that the Pack's level of dominance over them is going on almost 4 times as long as that now.

I suppose the Bears did have a brief period between 2004 and 2008 where they were pretty competitive and caused the Pack some problems sweeping the Pack in '05 and '07.  But other than that little window, the Pack has mostly been just incredibly dominant in the rivalry from '92 - today.

I am 54 and I remember only too well the Bears dominance for the 80's.  When the Bears would smack us around pretty good.  Now I freaking love every win over that team and increase the amount of time we dominate them.  It has to drive Bears fans nuts to see us have the level of QB play from #4 and #12 and they STILL are looking for the guy at QB.  Hell I think the Packers may own most of the Soldier Field passing records.

As for the game the positives:

Any win over the Bears no matter the score makes me happy

It shut up the FIB fans I had to watch the game with

Rodgers and Adams.  What more can you say about that combination? They just cant' be contained.

Negatives:

Allowing the 4th and short conversions.   I was thinking yesterday if they were close to some sort of NFL record yesterday

MVS needs to get some stickem on his hands.  yesterday I thought about the WR in movie The Replacements who could run like crazy but couldn't catch anything.

Long drives and all the fourth-down conversions were frustrating, but the defense only gave up 13 points (other three go to ST). Defense is more than sufficient if the offense continues to function at the high level it has.

@FLPACKER posted:

I could be way off on this, but it almost seems like AR starts to chase the big play when frustrated.

It’s what I was noticing- that something actually happened to him and he was having difficulty getting through it. The momentum clearly shifted, and the entire offense went into a funk. Against a better defense, a better team, that’s just not going to cut it. I saw this comment in the game thread- that it was feeling like the Indy game all over again.

But they got back on track and put together 2 good drives to seal it. I do worry that there’s something there though, and that a team will get a chance to exploit that in the playoffs.

@michiganjoe posted:

Long drives and all the fourth-down conversions were frustrating, but the defense only gave up 13 points (other three go to ST). Defense is more than sufficient if the offense continues to function at the high level it has.

Agreed.  Certainly the defense is not a dominant unit, but it's been acceptable.  That first drive by the Bears was incredibly frustrating, over 7 minutes of Time Of Possession and then give up the TD.  Bad way to start the game, but then gave up only 6 more points the rest of the way if the Special Teams blunder isn't counted towards their total. 

@FLPACKER posted:

I could be way off on this, but it almost seems like AR starts to chase the big play when frustrated.

They also went all pass for at least the next two series, leading to quick punts. They finally started running the ball again and drove for a score.

+ My Viking neighbor telling me he wished his team would have lost for a better draft pick!

+ Beating the Bears is my favorite thing in sports. As timppranillo points out, over taking a 24 game deficit in head to head stats is something I never thought imaginable in my life time. The crap I took living in Illinois in the 80s-and still live today---has made every victory sweet and beautiful.

+The Bears play just good enough to keep Nagy and Tribisky around for future beatings

+  -  Gute's drafting has been  better than I thought and he deserves my apology, but...I'd rather have Patrick Queen in the middle of our defense than Jordan Love on the sideline in street clothes---A-Rod could play another 5 years

All of the ++++'s  above and, I get to relax next week and watch football.

-  I have to work Saturday..but I'll be home by 3pm EDT.

+++++ Aaron Rodgers did nothing to drop out of the MVP conversation. Davante is the best Packer WR, ever to play, in a 16-17 game season. Don Hutson played in 12 games seasons, or less, and still did great things that have withstood the test of time. FB/TE Dafney had an exceptional game! A TD catch, some nice blocking for Jones, and some nice ST play, as well. He will give Sternberger a lot of competition for playing time. Amos and Savage are solid at Safety. Tonyan caught his 11th TD of the season. Our TE group is pretty good. Opie did not have to tackle anyone in this game.

-----STs giving me fits! We need both a Punt Returner and a Kick Returner! 4th and 1 defense needs work. The only 4th and 1 play we looked good in, was the last one, where Amos sealed the deal with his INT of Trubiscuit.  Akim Hicks was trying to play like Suh. He should have been penalized and /or ejected for clubbing Patrick(?) like he did. But, nooooo! The inconsistency of King and MVS. Both dropped passes and one was for an INT. King trying to tackle a Bear without using his arms was ridiculous. Is he trying to not be on this team, next year? Did Davante get hurt? I saw him wincing and appearing to be swearing, on the sideline, after a catch across the middle. I did not hear anything about an injury, but I'll bet he'll like having a full week off. Damn near forgot Patterson's attempt to down the ball on the first kick off. His right foot was in bounds when he touched the ball and his left foot then stepped out of bounds. I think it should have been the Bears ball on the 1 yard line, not Bears ball on the 40. Whatever, it stunk and we did end up winning the game.

@YATittle posted:

He got a sack

He fell on Rodgers after someone else knocked him down.

@Maynard posted:

+ My Viking neighbor telling me he wished his team would have lost for a better draft pick!

It must really suck living next to Pedmo!

It was a perfect ending for Minnesoduh.  No playoffs, and a middle of the road draft pick.  I also think they played “well” enough to allow Spielman to keep his job.  Not much different than Nagy and Pace and the Bores.

As for GB, the defense gives up yards between the 20s but they are tightening up in the red zone.   Amos and Savage have played very well in the second half of the season and if that continues the D can be solid.  

Yeah...  Perfect seasons for the Vikings and Bears.   Not bad enough to get a good draft number and start a total rebuild but certainly not teams you would consider ascending.    Just perfect.

Found on the Internet:

Packers defense peaking

It looks like the Packers will bring a defense with them into the playoffs. After faltering early this season, the Packers' defense has jelled at the perfect time. The Packers allowed only one touchdown Sunday against a Bears offense that had scored 30 points in four straight games, forcing Chicago to go 1-for-4 inside the red zone. They also forced the Bears to go 6-of-14 on third down, though they were 4-for-5 on fourth down. For the second straight year, safety Adrian Amos delivered the game-sealing interception against his former team in Chicago.

You need to quit posting shit without links.  

Found on the internet:  Rashan Gary is setting strong edges in the run game every week. The Packers held Montgomery to just 69 yards on 22 carries, in part due to the edge players funneling everything back inside to the help.

YET Gary is not getting enough snaps...

Week 17 & LaFleur still pulling out some new wrinkles

3 snaps of 21-Personnel 'Pony' with Aaron Jones & rookie AJ Dillon. I love this mix of styles/skillsets... True thunder/lightening

Dillon isn't Jones replacement, he's his preservation - look how Saints use/preserve Kamara! pic.twitter.com/E93J8bLuZZ

— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) January 4, 2021

Sorry if I posted this in other threads.  I think the run D did better than the pass D did yesterday, against a team that was running the ball really well coming in.  That's encouraging.

@Henry posted:

You need to quit posting shit without links.  

Or posting links without describing what the hell I’m clicking on (fool me Once Africa prince)

I hope those three almost INTs are burning AR today

That's right. Soul Crushing drop by MVS, Horrifying Fumble by Tavon Austin, dropped INT and missed tackles by Kevin King, and Rodgers 3 stupefying throws right into Bear defenders hands....and the Pack still wins going away.

Guess that wasn't enough to overcome the other 500 things they did very well.

Damn, this team is good !!

@Music City posted:

It’s what I was noticing- that something actually happened to him and he was having difficulty getting through it. The momentum clearly shifted, and the entire offense went into a funk. Against a better defense, a better team, that’s just not going to cut it. I saw this comment in the game thread- that it was feeling like the Indy game all over again.

But they got back on track and put together 2 good drives to seal it. I do worry that there’s something there though, and that a team will get a chance to exploit that in the playoffs.

@Boris posted:

Week 17 & LaFleur still pulling out some new wrinkles

3 snaps of 21-Personnel 'Pony' with Aaron Jones & rookie AJ Dillon. I love this mix of styles/skillsets... True thunder/lightening

Dillon isn't Jones replacement, he's his preservation - look how Saints use/preserve Kamara! pic.twitter.com/E93J8bLuZZ

— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) January 4, 2021

I hope to see a LOT more of this in the playoffs.

We were sort of talking about this at work today.  Is it better to save some stuff for the playoffs that nobody has seen before or is it better to try some new stuff so it gives the other teams something more to think about.

I've read various accounts from reporters and guys like Ketchman that suggest nothing is saved,  anything that can help you win any week is fair game.  However that wouldn't preclude an OC from developing new wrinkles off of things that were successful over the course of the year, or based on the recent emergence of "new" players, i.e. Dillon, Dafney, etc.  I would also guess that the deeper into the season you get, the deeper into the playbook you get.  And I'm sure there is stuff in there that MLF hasn't tried yet.

And yeah, if you can show something new that works, the more you give a DC to have to gameplan for the better.

@ammo posted:

We were sort of talking about this at work today.  Is it better to save some stuff for the playoffs that nobody has seen before or is it better to try some new stuff so it gives the other teams something more to think about.

When Mangini was fired from NE and ended up with NYJ, he shared some insights about the level of cheating they did in compiling a dossier on every coach and player. Mangini said they wanted to know if the opposing coach would pull out some plays/scheme that another team had bludgeoned you with...
OR if they would be more likely to pull out things you'd never seen before.

Some coaches preferred the former, others the latter and knowing that helped in game planning. So I think the answer is that it depends on who you are facing, who the OC/DC is and various other parameters.

Offensive playbooks are super deep and AR said there was a ton of stuff they didn't even get to last year, I suspect we've seen some of those in 2020.

The challenge is that with limited practice time, coaches are reluctant to call new stuff if they haven't had the chance to practice & perfect it against different defensive looks. That's why a bye week is sooooo important for new wrinkles. The exquisite timing needed requires lots of practice - otherwise you're just fooling yourself.