Bengals release AJ Hawk

1 year to late

I'm glad I was sitting for that revelation. 

Available, accountable, and slow is no way to sustain a NFL career son.

Did they release him seven yards outside the door? Seven yards into the parking lot? Seven second delay over the phone?

Awwww......

Still don't understand all the dislike for Hawk. The guy didn't draft himself, always seemed to give it his best effort. Didn't cause issues on or off the field.

MM and Capers both went on and on about how Hawk always knew where to be, what to do and why it needed to be done. Translating that knowledge to performance was just a different story.

Which does lead me to wonder if he'll go into coaching one day.

packerboi posted:

Which does lead me to wonder if he'll go into coaching one day.

I'm sure he can tackle whatever life throws at him.... as long as it's right in front of him 

Totally agree GBFan, the amount of dislike and piling on Hawk is crazy.  He was drafted high, he's a glue guy, professional, well liked inside the lock room. Hope he enjoys his retirement.  

He really was better in the 4-3.  Being younger back then didn't hurt either.

He had the knowledge and the instincts and the vision, he just had a painfully slow trigger to attack the ball carrier. Occasionally he would make the right read and go for it, but too often he was 1 or 2 steps slow to get there. It wasn't because he wasn't athletic enough or strong enough, he was too indecisive. Perhaps he was just thinking too much whereas guys like Bishop just went for it. 

He was better in college, and a couple years in the middle of his career. After that he seemed to be concentrating on avoiding injury.

Hawk was never a problem in the locker room or as a teammate. His coaches loved him. He was also great in the community.

But he was also paid over $34,000,000 and the Packers received little production in return, so I fully understand why folks view him as they do. I also could not believe how much better the D became immediately after Hawk was benched mid-season in 2014. He really was a bad player his last few years in GB.

Not A.J.'s fault he was over drafted, but that 2nd contract in 2011 (5 years for $33.75 million -- reduced, of course, after 2 years of subpar play) was TT's worst as a Packers' GM in my opinion.

****ing TT. All the ****er does is waste money.

GBFanForLife posted:

Still don't understand all the dislike for Hawk. The guy didn't draft himself, always seemed to give it his best effort. Didn't cause issues on or off the field.

We were mad at him for playing.

You are right. He should have just told them to keep all the money and then took his ball and went home.

I disliked Hawk taking the field to play like **** for a ****ty Capers defense.  

I'm sure he's a fine human being

It's all part of an elaborate diabolical plan, AJ Hawk will replace Michael Strahan.

Hello Kelly and AJ!

I'll always dislike him for the fake field goal in the playoff game against the Seahawks. Seriously, a high school player wouldn't let the ONLY GUY on this side race down the field unimpeded.... OTHERS had contain on the play... MORON cost us a trip to the Super Bowl with just that ONE PLAY.

But what you said is true.

I guess that lends to the 'never did anything bad' thingamajig..

Yup, the stink of those last few years he started is rank. Still lingers.

YATittle posted:

I'll always dislike him for the fake field goal in the playoff game against the Seahawks. Seriously, a high school player wouldn't let the ONLY GUY on this side race down the field unimpeded.... OTHERS had contain on the play... MORON cost us a trip to the Super Bowl with just that ONE PLAY.

Even though I have tried my best to forget that play and that game as whole, I always thought Brad Jones was the culprit. 

Well those two were less than the sum of their parts at LB.

chickenboy posted:

YATittle posted:

I'll always dislike him for the fake field goal in the playoff game against the Seahawks. Seriously, a high school player wouldn't let the ONLY GUY on this side race down the field unimpeded.... OTHERS had contain on the play... MORON cost us a trip to the Super Bowl with just that ONE PLAY.

Even though I have tried my best to forget that play and that game as whole, I always thought Brad Jones was the culprit. 

They both ****ed up massively on that play, Jones by losing contain and Hawk letting the receiver fly past him.

Biggest FU belongs to Slocum however for 1) Having those guys on the field then and 2) Most importantly, not warning everyone about a fake. Given how outmatched the Seahawks were up to that point something like that was clearly going to happen to try and get things jumpstarted.

Stupid to not just not concede the FG in that situation and it is all on Slocum. Real mistake the Packers made with Hawk was sticking with him for too long. Good guy and teammate but only a marginal player.

I still don't get the "Hawk was only maligned bc he was a high draft pick" comments.  Fact is, he was a terrible player on the field for for much of his last contract.  He literally did nothing well on the field.  He got Jarrett Bush type criticism bc that was the player he was: so limited on the field that it was simply infuriating to watch and baffling that he was the best TT and the coaches could do.  He was solid early in his career, became average pretty quick, and then became a huge weak link in this defense.  He was the poster boy for Dom's failed defense.  Can't say for anyone else, but that's what my criticism of Hawk is based on.  No different than my criticism of lesser drafted starters like Bush, McMillian, etc.  

And FYI, I don't blame TT at all for drafting him at #5.  Hawk's resume was impeccable: lot of production at a big program with great measurables, no off field concerns at all, and a work ethic/leadership that you don't see often.  

I wish him luck though.  I was shocked the Bengals signed him last year so not surprised they moved on.  I can see Hawk eventually becoming a position coach like Kevin Greene.  

Is Brad Jones still on a roster? What a piece of excrement he was?

GBFanForLife posted:

Still don't understand all the dislike for Hawk. The guy didn't draft himself, always seemed to give it his best effort. Didn't cause issues on or off the field.

To Blame Hawk for the loss to the Seahawks is...oldwhiteschool,,,

Funnier than I remember.