Best McGinn Article Ever

If there is any truth in this, Capers should be canned. If fact, can him now and promote Kevin Greene for the rest of the season. If a coach can't get maximum effort from his players I don't see any reason to have him around...no matter what kind of a x's and's genius he may be.

As some would say, maybe this is "McGinn being McGinn" but I have respected his writing for years now and I believe there is more truth than fiction to this.

If you go to ESPN's stats page, you can clearly see that Green Bays Belly Fire index is at the bottom third of the league. Green Bays 2.662 BFI just won't cut it.

You'll also notice, the teams at the top of the BFI are all teams with winning records. I've looked at the last 28 years of BFI data (minus the 1976 SF Giants) and found this is almost always consistent, the teams that win the most games have the highest BFI. Last years BFI was excellent, the year they won the superbowl, off the charts. San Fransisco leads the league in BFI right now, but we have seen teams lay of the Belly Fire and drop in the rankings. The correlation to BRI and Winning percentage is almost 1 to 1.

Thompson needs to draft more belly fire, or this team is going to disappear like a fart in the wind.

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Originally posted by chickenboy:
If there is any truth in this,

...don't know if it is about "truth" rather than opinion. To my eyes, our defense played with more emotion in the Bears game, than in any game over the past two seasons....and we saw the results!

you can be sure Perry wasn't at the top of their draft board but they were in a bind and had no choice but to draft for need this year. Same with Worthy and he's the one I worry about the most with effort.

I think Neal's the kind of guy that if you showed him this article would tape it to his chest and play like an animal. He has a great deal of pride.

Yes Worthy does come off as immature.

Capers may be the kind of person who loves and is good at carrying out something new and fresh then becomes a little bored with it as time goes by and it looks more and more like maintenance.

I agree that some of the draft choices have to learn attitude in various amounts, but, offhand, in at least some cases, wouldn't it seem that some guys might pick this up? (Especially with what it can mean to the next contract) I wouldn't give up on Worthy or Perry or Neal just yet.

Get Capers out of here, for God's sake. Let Green have a go at it, because you know if he sees somebody slacking, he'll plant his foot in their ass.

I just don't get how players can't get motivated being around Clay Matthews. The guy is a monster, and gives 110% on every play. He never quits. What kind of a bug do you have to be to stand there and take a play off while he's running around the field like a zombie looking for brains to eat.

So Green isn't planting his foot now?

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I read this last night and the Bobster (as almost always) is spot-on. For years now we have seen the Packers play like a bunch of softies when there are times they needed to put down the hammer. There is no real leader on the "D" and has not been for years. Matthews is the only guy who does it play in and play out.

I guess my question is, does TT pick the draftees without input from the coaching staff or does he solely make the choice and then the coaches have to deal with who they get?

But it almost sounds like the coaches are the ones who are not getting the players to perform consistently perform at intense levels.

Bowel movement clearly doesn't trust the system, management and coaches.

Firing Capers is a bit of a s t r e t c h . For those that want to give Green a shot at DC, explain to me why he would make a difference in the effort category. Especially when you consider one of the players supposedly lacking fire/effort is Perry and he is directly coached by Green himself as it is.

It is obvious that Matthews is the guy that plays with fire and emotion unmatched by not only his teammates, but most players in the league. If I could change one thing about Matthews, it would be for him to step up as a leader and get in the faces of his teammates on the field to match his emotion. Matthews has the type of production, ability and effort that could translate into an emotional leader in the mold of Ray Lewis that demands excellence from his teammates. I'd love to see him move forward into a role like that.

The unofficial defensive leader appears to be Woodson. He's a guy that quietly goes about his business but doesn't go out of his with the rah-rah stuff. From what I gather, he rarely addresses the team, but when he does (After the NFCCG), it makes an impact.

Emotion has a lot to do with football, especially on defense. I think most great defenses play the game with their hair on fire. In that regard, I don't see much of that from GB's defense as of late.

We complain that Perry isn't giving full effort and his position coach should replace the coordinator because of it?

Makes perfect sense.

I think Perry has played OK so far. He has been asked to do some tasks that don't fit his skill set, like getting matched up on WR's. But that's on the scheme, not the player.

Don't think the sky is falling, but you have to admit we don't have brawlers on D or guys who hustle when the play's away from them. Watch sometime when a guy is tackled 5 yards down the field; often there's only one or two guys still moving toward the runner. That's how so many backs add 5 yards to a run against our D; if the first guy doesn't take him to the ground, there's no one else there cuz they're all watching. The back gets 4-5 more yards before someone else arrives to clean up.

I don't get why more players follow CMIII. He has that fire, he moves constantly, etc. Do they see him as all ego? Does he hold himself above the other guys? Is he too aloof? Do the other guys think he can do it all on his own? Is he too worried about his hair on the bench?

The article does explain why some guys just disappear for several plays or series. They disengage. That's concerning. Ultimately, the desire to be a full-time, 100 percent player has to come from within the player, but the coaches need to help instill it. Bench Raji to start a game or bench him for a series or two when he takes a series off. Do the same with other guys until they get it. Splinters can be motivators. Those who produce, play.

We have a great deal of talent on D. Now it's time to instill some ruthlessness and relentlessness in them.

The idea of replacing Capers with Greene makes no sense, but getting rid of Capers has to be a strong possibility if the defense struggles for a second consecutive season.

"the Bobster"

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The unofficial defensive leader appears to be Woodson. He's a guy that quietly goes about his business but doesn't go out of his with the rah-rah stuff. From what I gather, he rarely addresses the team, but when he does (After the NFCCG), it makes an impact.

Agree, but as you said I think we need more. I would prefer if the leader was Clay as well for a couple reasons. Unlike Wood, he not only brings the passion, but he is assignment sure. AKA accountable.

For whatever reason, that 2010 defense played out of their minds on the way to that Super Bowl win.

A journeyman like Charlie Peprah played really hard and well for that season only and was a liability in other years. BJ Raji played by far his best ball in 2010. Tramon Williams had a career year. Nick Collins and Cullen Jenkins were playing at Pro Bowl and Pro Bowl alternate levels respectively. Charles Woodson was still playing at a high level.

Perhaps some studs will emerge from the young guys to make up for what we lost from '10. So far that hasn't happened yet though there are some guys with potential. Let's hope we see some of that potential realized as the season goes on. There's been flashes these first 5 weeks, but not consistency down to down, quarter to quarter.

I don't know what the defense's deal is, but I don't think it's due to TT drafting "lazy" players. The guys on this team just don't seem to play together. It looks like 11 players playing their own individual match-up, ie: CB's playing the best cover they can but not knowing where the safety help is, or a pass rusher just trying to beat his man and ignoring the wide open hole he could loop around the inside for a sack. Great defenses have 11 guys play 1 match-up. This team just isn't playing together.

This ultimately rests on Capers shoulders. This is his fourth year and so far, you'd have to say it's been a bad year. That's 3 of 4 years where he's been below average. If he doesn't fix this in the next 11 games, it might be time to move on.

Just another stab at trying to explain why a team that won the SB and then followed that up with a 15-1 season with a video game offense is just 2-3 this season.

When they hit the bye at 6-3 or 5-4 I wonder what the headlines will be.

lets not forget the gold standard of articles is about belly fire

more stats

Love that he mentions the 49ers and their "fire" without including the fact that this team sucked the big suck for years and years and therefore drafted at the top of each round year after year and well golly gee Batman...now they have a good team. What geenyuses they must be.

McGinn isn't saying anything that GB fans haven't been saying for the past year or so. Matthews and Bishop play with plenty of energy, but beyond those two I can't think of anyone on defense that comes across as a high intensity player.

Promoting Greene to DC is a terrible idea.

Bob doing his part to try and motivate the D. No fault in that.

5-4 at the bye.

Patience.

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Originally posted by lambeausouth:
Get Capers out of here, for God's sake. Let Green have a go at it, because you know if he sees somebody slacking, he'll plant his foot in their ass.

I just don't get how players can't get motivated being around Clay Matthews. The guy is a monster, and gives 110% on every play. He never quits. What kind of a bug do you have to be to stand there and take a play off while he's running around the field like a zombie looking for brains to eat.

Well, this shows how much I know about defensive football. Not a lot, apparently.

I still think this unit is inconsistent at times, in both performance and intensity, but I have to give Dom and the defense a lot of credit tonight. They punched the Texans in the mouth.

Well do not feel too bad, I had the same opinion; however, I still need to see more games before I change my mind.

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Originally posted by El-Ka-Bong:
If you go to ESPN's stats page, you can clearly see that Green Bays Belly Fire index is at the bottom third of the league. Green Bays 2.662 BFI just won't cut it.

You'll also notice, the teams at the top of the BFI are all teams with winning records. I've looked at the last 28 years of BFI data (minus the 1976 SF Giants) and found this is almost always consistent, the teams that win the most games have the highest BFI. Last years BFI was excellent, the year they won the superbowl, off the charts. San Fransisco leads the league in BFI right now, but we have seen teams lay of the Belly Fire and drop in the rankings. The correlation to BRI and Winning percentage is almost 1 to 1.

Thompson needs to draft more belly fire, or this team is going to disappear like a fart in the wind.

This is the funniest post I have ever read on this forum.

Future Packer defensive lineman. You know this fat bastard has all kinds of belly fire.

And here I always thought more fire in the belly leads to more farts in the wind. Who knew.

"Last years BFI was excellent, the year they won the superbowl, off the charts."


It the ESPN stats indicate last year's BFI was "Excellent", that's all I need to know to realize whatever measures they use are seriously flawed. Last year's D was, statistically, the worst in the NFL, so obviously the excellent belly fire did not help. This year, the defense is playing much improved, but the belly fire is down.

Part of me thinks that Matthews' intensity is so ridiculous, that everyone else looks like they are slackers in comparison. Some say Pickett may be done after this year, but I saw him slice into the backfield twice and take away the inside gap from Foster. I think this defense still features a lot of young players who need to mature and gain more confidence. I'm encouraged by the play of Hayward and Shields looks more like his 2010 self than his sophomore slump of last year. I'm hoping Worthy continues to develop and that Daniels can fill an important role.

The problem last year wasn't BFI for the defense, it was conditioning. The offense scored so quickly they didn't get much rest. Capers should have had them running more laps when they had breakdowns or even hills.

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Originally posted by Hungry5:
When they hit the bye at 6-3 or 5-4 I wonder what the headlines will be.

Shhh

Lets not forget BFI fluctuates from game to game sometimes, and the stats I posted are "team" stats. To see the BFI offensive and defensive splits, click here. You can clearly see, the offense was significantly higher.

When one does a thorough cleansing of BFI one can see some similarities to the Pack playing a non-rival at a mundane time like noon on a Sunday to the Crew facing a nondescript pitcher (aka a rookie or journeyman making their first start). It's the column NGW (never goes well). Look for the Pack to improve that next week in Lambeau.

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Originally posted by El-Ka-Bong:
Lets not forget BFI fluctuates from game to game sometimes, and the stats I posted are "team" stats. To see the BFI offensive and defensive splits, click here. You can clearly see, the offense was significantly higher.

EKB......