Braelon Allen

Needs to run the 40 at some point

Someone else that was compared to Henry coming out...

How many Henry clones do we need

@Chongo posted:

Needs to run the 40 at some point

Agree

@Chongo posted:

Needs to run the 40 at some point

No he doesn’t. We already know he’s slow. His 10 yard split can be timed with an hourglass.

@Pikes Peak posted:

How many Henry clones do we need

I wouldn't mind at least one, since that old bastard hasn't posted in forever!!

Hen and Keele are busy liberating Ukraine from the Ruskies

Watching Badger games, Braelon Allen reminded me a lot of Ron Dayne. A big back that took a while to get going.

Ron Dayne was a great college back, and was a solid NFL player, but he wasn't a star by any means.

In retrospect, Ron Dayne ran for a lot of yards largely because he ran behind one of the best offensive lines in Badgers' football history so he wouldn't get hit until he took a few steps and then he was hard to bring down.

The line consisted of

Chris McIntosh - 1st round pick in 2000 (22nd overall) whose NFL career was ended by a neck injury

Aaron Gibson - 1st round pick in 2000 (11th overall) who was a dominant college player but not in the NFL.

Mark Tauscher - 7th round pick that had a great career as a Packer.

and 3 other guys that at least were in NFL training camps.

I'm wondering if people are overvaluing Braelon Allen for the same reason. Tipton went in the 4th round last year and Bordalini and Wedig will probably play in the NFL as well.

After losing AJ and signing JJ plus Dillon, they need a change of pace runner with more quicks and suddenness than another brawler.

@Pikes Peak posted:

How many Henry clones do we need

I think the team needs a few more free-range assholes.

@MichiganPacker2 posted:

Watching Badger games, Braelon Allen reminded me a lot of Ron Dayne. A big back that took a while to get going.

Ron Dayne was a great college back, and was a solid NFL player, but he wasn't a star by any means.

In retrospect, Ron Dayne ran for a lot of yards largely because he ran behind one of the best offensive lines in Badgers' football history so he wouldn't get hit until he took a few steps and then he was hard to bring down.

The line consisted of

Chris McIntosh - 1st round pick in 2000 (22nd overall) whose NFL career was ended by a neck injury

Aaron Gibson - 1st round pick in 2000 (11th overall) who was a dominant college player but not in the NFL.

Mark Tauscher - 7th round pick that had a great career as a Packer.

and 3 other guys that at least were in NFL training camps.

I'm wondering if people are overvaluing Braelon Allen for the same reason. Tipton went in the 4th round last year and Bordalini and Wedig will probably play in the NFL as well.

Over all I agree but the fact that  Dayne had approx twice as many carries than Allen factors into Dwayne’s relative lack of success in the NFL.  Lots of hits for a power runner.

Dayne was drsfted by the wrong team

Allen makes me nervous that he gets dinged up a lot.   Maybe because I watch Bafter games I notice it more.   I think he is a great athlete playing football, but I never got the sense he was a true running back.  

would move him in the 4th round or later

Might wanna check your spelling El-Ka-Bong. Just sayin.

@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:

Dayne was drsfted by the wrong team

Allen makes me nervous that he gets dinged up a lot.   Maybe because I watch Bafter games I notice it more.   I think he is a great athlete playing football, but I never got the sense he was a true running back.  

would move him in the 4th round or later

This! He’s a big athlete, but not a natural RB. NFL defenders aren’t going to shy away from hitting him low and hard. Just ask AJ Dillon.

Iowa cheese late on “Bafter games”

I think people need people need to go back and watch old tapes and games of Ron Dayne.  He wasn’t a good back.  He was a great back.  And let’s remember, the Badgers had NO passing threat at QB those years.  

Allen played DB then had a lot of success when playing RB in high school at Fond Du Lac.  Part of the reason is he was just so much bigger and stronger and faster than anyone else on the field.

You saw that his first year at Wisconsin and then it seemed like he was more interested in being a body builder than a football player. And he got hurt a lot.

He has the physical tools to be effective as a spot player in the NFL but the Derrick Henry comparisons aren’t valid IMO.

I have a football-playing son that was in the same HS class as Allen (different part of the state) and he showed me social media videos of Allen lifting weights as a high school sophomore.  Allen was a "body builder" as a 15-year old (and probably earlier).  I can't imagine the damage he would have done to high school kids if he played his senior season at Fond du Lac HS.

The Badgers OL the last three years as a unit is probably the worst it has been since the late '80s Don Morton veer offense days...and this was with a meh-QB  Graham Mertz (2 yrs) and the mediocre combo of Mordecai/Locke play last year (while playing in a new offense).

Not saying Allen will be the next Jim Brown/Jerome Bettis, but I do believe given the right offense and OL, he could be a very productive NFL player (caveat - I would also be very curious on his 40 time - a poor showing there could be a deal-breaker).  However, with having 5 picks in the top 91, pick 88/91 may be a nice target area.

@Koopla Krash posted:

Not saying Allen will be the next Jim Brown/Jerome Bettis, but I do believe given the right offense and OL, he could be a very productive NFL player

I think so too
I'm not as concerned with 40 time as I am with vision and elusiveness with B. Allen.  I've not looked into his draft info yet, but given what we saw with AJ, it seems like those are important qualities for a big man at RB.

Especially in short yardage scenarios where you wanna lean on your beefy back to see the hole and actually hit it.

the first 3 runs show the vision and he's definitely making guys miss

Right on with how crucial vision is...#33 was amazing with that.  Watching that video reminded me how much last year's offense disgusted me for Bucky - I hate that damn shotgun snap, read option on EVERY DAMN PLAY! Especially when on the goal line - yeah, let's have the RB stand on the 6-yard line to start the play

Braille has good vision

I'm a Homer, but I want this guy.

@Satori posted:

I think so too
I'm not as concerned with 40 time as I am with vision and elusiveness with B. Allen.  I've not looked into his draft info yet, but given what we saw with AJ, it seems like those are important qualities for a big man at RB.

Especially in short yardage scenarios where you wanna lean on your beefy back to see the hole and actually hit it.

the first 3 runs show the vision and he's definitely making guys miss

The kid is definitely patient behind his blocking. Good trait if he can explode at the sight of the hole against NFL defenses. I’m not sure he can. He is going to be TFL a whole bunch of times.

Explode at the sight of a hole? That sounds like the perfect description for the love life of a X4 member.😊