Braun and Weeks

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Must be Roenecke's managing.

Cubs defense was kind enough to spot us a few.

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Originally posted by Hud:

Braun and Weeks striking out practically half their at bats, Yuni and Gonzalez playing full time and Aoki forgetting how to hit... and we've won 7 straight. Must be Roenecke's managing.

Or that strikeouts don't really matter? Or that 3 of them were against a bad Cubs team at home?

Let's also not forget that Henderson (not Axford) didn't give any games away and the Brewers have gotten some big and timely hits during the winning streak.

Not worried about Braun at all. He's a stud and will work his way through it. I am more concerned about Weeks though. He's in something like a 4 for 50 stretch and with Ramirez and Hart out they need Rickie to step up

jmo, rickie ain't no different than he is always been, at #4 just a spotlight.

He is what he is, not really a good hitter that looks at a lot of pitches. Those traits At #4? not if trumps managing BUT they are getting decent pitching and decent defense.

You don't mess with a streak, EVER.

yup, he doesn't belong in the 4 hole. I suspect he goes through a hot streak sometime.

He's only there (in the four hole) due to injury.

His hands have been low like that for awhile. They were low in 2011 when he was an MVP candidate before the ankle injury.

And like Trump stated, he is what he is. He'll never hit .300, he will always take a lot of walks and he will strike out a lot. And he is streaky.

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 12m ryan braun has five hits in his last 7 games but 4 of them are homers. meanwhile, brewers have won all 7. #crew Expand

Not a bad way to go thru a slump...

Want to say that Rickie tore sheaths on both wrists over the past few years so that could contribute a little to his hand position while batting. I have faith in Rickie.

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Originally posted by Hud:
He's striking out at a prolific rate and it looks like half the time he simply has made up his mind to swing regardless of where the ball is.

He's above his career average in OBP, SLG, and OPS thus far. But you are worried about striking out at a "prolific rate". You are worried the method he makes outs. While ignoring his production.

So, here's the thing. He has 20 strikeouts OMG OMG OMG!

Of those 20 strikeouts:

9 occurred with no one on base.
A screaming line drive to the SS, a foul out to the catcher, a can of corn to left field, a ground ball to 2B, and NOTHING AT ALL CHANGES in the fortunes of the Brewers or Ryan Braun. Nothing. It matters not in the least how he made outs. It's unfortunate he made outs, but it did not matter whatsoever how he made them. It made you angry. But it didn't matter at all that they were strikeouts or groundballs.

1 of the remaining 11 occurred with two outs
Again, it's unfortunate he made an out, but with 2 outs, it doesn't matter how he made an out, it simply matters that he made an out.

7 occurred with 0/1 out and a runner on first
In all 7 of these instances, a fly ball anywhere is no different. In all 7 of these instances, a ground ball probably leads to a double play. It's unfortunate he made outs, and in this case, it's clearly better to have struck out vs hitting a ground ball.

1 occurred with 1 out and runner on 2nd
Both fly and ground ball possibly advances a runner to 3rd with 2 outs. It's unfortunate he made an out, but not a disaster since there were 2 outs after the play anyway.

1 occurred with 1 out and runners on 1st and 2nd
Fly Ball possibly advances a runner to 3rd with 2 outs. Ground ball and it's an inning ending double play. It's unfortunate he made an out, but clearly better to have struck out than hit a ground ball.

1 occurred with 0 out bases loaded/2nd
In this case, a fly ball likely scores a run. A groundball also likely scores a run. It's unfortunate he made an out, and in this one case, it's quite unfortunate he couldn't put the ball in play.

One strikeout of significance. One where you could legitimately be pissed based on the method of out Ryan Braun made.

Again. How batters make outs is irrelevant. Period. Stop getting stressed out about strikeouts. Especially with arguably the best right handed hitter in the NL. Making outs suck. It doesn't matter in the least how one makes outs.

Please stop trying to derail threads

I don't care if he strikes out.. I do care that he is slugging 288 and our manager puts him at clean up...

I understand Weeks is streaky.. I also understand that his "slump" lasted 3 months last year.. Move him down already!

Ronald put him at #2 for tonights game because Aoki is getting a day off.. Fine, he does seem to do better when he feels his role is to just get on base instead of drive in runs.. However, even though he carries a OBP 100 points higher than his avg, 280 OBP shouldn't be in the top of the lineup!

When Aoki plays, Weeks needs to be moved down to 6 through 8 until he can get his act together.

It's time for Melvin to trade Weeks for a bucket of balls.

Yes Braun is great, but perspective. He's already struck out over 20 times in less than 60 AB's. Joe Dimaggio, in 15 years, never struck out more than 39 times. Most years less than 30.

Braun is a superstar, yes. And he's my favorite player. But I don't understand why they don't just throw him balls in the dirt. He'd strike out 200 times and maybe never get a hit.

He needs a new batting coach to teach him how to lay off the crap.

Braun on pace for another 40 HR season..

Haters gonna hate... Talking heads gonna act like they never accused him of juicing..

From tonight's game.

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Originally posted by Orlando Wolf:
I have faith in Rickie.

I have a bridge I want to sell you.


Scooter Gennett to the majors tomorrow. Rickie is washed up / over-roided and done. Bring Scooter up so we can have a real 2b do some work.

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Originally posted by Green and Gold:
It's time for Melvin to trade Weeks for a bucket of balls.

hard to trade him when that vesting option for 2015 is sitting there.

1200 abs over the next two seasons or 600 next season and he is 11.5 M richer in 2015.


He's a bum.

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Originally posted by Hud:
Yes Braun is great, but perspective. He's already struck out over 20 times in less than 60 AB's. Joe Dimaggio, in 15 years, never struck out more than 39 times. Most years less than 30.

Braun is a superstar, yes. And he's my favorite player. But I don't understand why they don't just throw him balls in the dirt. He'd strike out 200 times and maybe never get a hit.

He needs a new batting coach to teach him how to lay off the crap.

162 game average for Ryan Braun over his career:

.313 - 37 hrs - 119 rbi .945 OPS .540 SLG 128k

162 game average for Joe Dimaggio over his career:

.325 - 34 hrs - 143 rbi .977 OPS .579 slg 34k



Joe D was amazing, but I think Ryan Braun's batting coach is going to be gainfully employed for a while too.

Hitting coaches will give advise to these type players only when and if they ask for it.

Refresh my memory, D14, how many MLB games has Scooter played?

I get the hype with Gennett. He has played well at every level of the minors. However, who knows what he will do in the bigs?

Let's see how Rickie plays from now until the All-Star break. Methinks the leash on Weeks will be shorter this year.

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Originally posted by Diggr14:

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Originally posted by Hud:
Yes Braun is great, but perspective. He's already struck out over 20 times in less than 60 AB's. Joe Dimaggio, in 15 years, never struck out more than 39 times. Most years less than 30.

Braun is a superstar, yes. And he's my favorite player. But I don't understand why they don't just throw him balls in the dirt. He'd strike out 200 times and maybe never get a hit.

He needs a new batting coach to teach him how to lay off the crap.

162 game average for Ryan Braun over his career:

.313 - 37 hrs - 119 rbi .945 OPS .540 SLG 128k

162 game average for Joe Dimaggio over his career:

.325 - 34 hrs - 143 rbi .977 OPS .579 slg 34k



Joe D was amazing, but I think Ryan Braun's batting coach is going to be gainfully employed for a while too.

Joe D also played before relief pitchers were used. He faced lots of tired arms.

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Originally posted by Orlando Wolf:
Refresh my memory, D14, how many MLB games has Scooter played?

I get the hype with Gennett. He has played well at every level of the minors. However, who knows what he will do in the bigs?

Let's see how Rickie plays from now until the All-Star break. Methinks the leash on Weeks will be shorter this year.

Dont know until you give the kid a shot. With Weeks doing his seemingly yearly **** the bed routine, its time to not let him see any more at bats while he couldnt hit a beachball if he tried.

I, for one, am shocked how dum this thread has gotten.

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Originally posted by Hud:
Yes Braun is great, but perspective.

Perspective is very good. Let's both exercise some perspective!

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He's already struck out over 20 times in less than 60 AB's.

Perspective - Making outs is unfortunate. Any outs. How you make an out is of absolutely no consequence in the long run. Ground balls, fly balls, strikeouts, foul out, liners - they all are equally unfortunate. Proper perspective is to stop buying into some myth that strikeouts are worse than any other out. They aren't. That's fact.

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Joe Dimaggio, in 15 years, never struck out more than 39 times. Most years less than 30.

You ask for perspective, and then immediately trot out Joe Dimaggio. That's. That's something. Yes, Dimaggio didn't strike out a lot. As show by others however, the production of both players is not that dissimilar.

And again - strikeouts are not worse outs than any other type of out. Fact.

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But I don't understand why they don't just throw him balls in the dirt. He'd strike out 200 times and maybe never get a hit.

Well, now you've left the perspective train altogether and ended up in hyperbolic moronic statement town. Ryan Braun is, has, and will continue to be one of the best right handed hitters in all of baseball. This is his 7th year where opponents have had plenty of opportunity to "figure him out", and he continues to rake at amazing levels.

"Struggling" he's still hitting .300/.400./.700/1.000

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He needs a new batting coach to teach him how to lay off the crap.

I admire you're defense of Braun but methinks you protest a little too much over a simple statement that he strikes out a lot. Fact. That's not in dispute. Also not in dispute is that he's a hell of a player.

I don't intend to go much further than that but you can present another round of sound defense if you'd like. Btw, it may not make a difference how someone makes out but if you've ever played baseball you'll know that Braun is seething inside, as attested to by his bat flipping the other day.

Again, good defense of a great player, but my observation was a simple one -- he strikes out a lot.

Let's get #10 tomorrow

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Originally posted by Hud:
I admire you're defense of Braun but methinks you protest a little too much over a simple statement that he strikes out a lot. Fact. That's not in dispute.

He does not in fact strike out a lot. He has struck out a bit more to start the season in limited number of AB, but he has never struck out that much.

His career average is 5 AB per strikeout. The MLB average is 4.9.

May want to rethink what is and isn't "fact" as "a lot" is not typically defined as "dead nuts average"

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Btw, it may not make a difference how someone makes out but if you've ever played baseball

Ah yeah! The passive aggressive swipe. The "If you've ever played and not just been a pencil necked geek in your mom's basement". Well played. Textbook in fact.

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you'll know that Braun is seething inside, as attested to by his bat flipping the other day.

That's incredible investigative work. You know he's seething! I'm thinking the FBI should get you on the Boston Marathon case STAT!

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but my observation was a simple one -- he strikes out a lot.

More "simple observations" from you:
"He'd strike out 200 times and maybe never get a hit."

"He needs a new batting coach to teach him how to lay off the crap."

So. Yeah.

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Originally posted by Diggr14:
Scooter Gennett to the majors tomorrow. Rickie is washed up / over-roided and done. Bring Scooter up so we can have a real 2b do some work.

Here are two sets of stats from last year:

Player 1: .330 OBP / .385 SLG / .714 OPS
Player 2: .328 OBP / .400 SLG / .728 OPS

Player 1 is Gennett at the AA level; Player 2 is Weeks at the MLB level.

Even with the awful first half Weeks had last year, he was still slighlty more productive than Gennett against much tougher competition.

Weeks is clearly struggling right now; hopefully he turns it around.