According to various Wisconsin Sports radio reports the Brewers reached arby agreements with all the arby eligible players except Corbin Burnes. Woodruff signed a 1 year deal for 10.8 million, Adames, Tellez, Huria, Urias, Caratini, Milner, Devin Williams, Eric Lauer and Abraham Toro. Total for all the signings except Woodruff was was around 29 million. Nothing official on the Brewer web site yet tho.
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It sounds to me that Burnes and his handlers are fully prepared to go to arbitration. There’s always a chance Milwaukee could extend him, but I think that’s highly unlikely at this point.
A trade is more possible, but I think they will try to keep him for one more run this year and either trade him in the offseason or at the deadline if they aren’t in contention.
Reported on the Brewers website that the team and Burnes are not that far apart. Burnes filed for $10.75 million and the Brewers offered $10.01 million.
Compared to Bichette and the Blue Jays and Kyle Tucker and the Astros who are each $2.5 million apart. The Rays also had 7 players file for a hearing.
@Tschmack posted:It sounds to me that Burnes and his handlers are fully prepared to go to arbitration. There’s always a chance Milwaukee could extend him, but I think that’s highly unlikely at this point.
A trade is more possible, but I think they will try to keep him for one more run this year and either trade him in the offseason or at the deadline if they aren’t in contention.
No way they will sign him. He's projected to get about 8 years and 300 million when he does get to free agency.
https://reviewingthebrew.com/p...grom-verlander-deals
The Brewers released Boxberger this year to avoid paying 3 million over one year to a guy who made 70 appearances with a sub-3.00 ERA.
We'll be lucky as fans if they don't trade both Woodruff and Burnes before the season starts.
@ammo posted:Reported on the Brewers website that the team and Burnes are not that far apart. Burnes filed for $10.75 million and the Brewers offered $10.01 million.
Compared to Bichette and the Blue Jays and Kyle Tucker and the Astros who are each $2.5 million apart. The Rays also had 7 players file for a hearing.
By the way, what is the thought process by which the Brewers decide to go in at 10,000 dollars over 10 million. Did they originally come in at 10 million and Burnes come in at 11.5 million and Burnes' agents negotiated to meet in the middle and the Brewers were like "well, we upped our offer from 10 million."
Yeah I’m not sure about that either. 10.01M lol. I’m sure Arnold will set the record straight.
Just for fun:
About time you chimed in. And maybe Mattingly never came to bat with the bases loaded in any year except 1987. 
740 K apart, its not my money but, pay the man. we'll know tomorrow.
Burnes loses arby case. So he will make 10.01 million for the season. Brewers think there will be no drop off in Burnes pitching. Have a great season Corbin and make it up next year.
@ammo posted:About time you chimed in. And maybe Mattingly never came to bat with the bases loaded in any year except 1987.
Mattingly's career is depressing similar to Yelich's trajectory. Mattingly looked like a surefire HOFer by age 28. 6 time all-star, 5 gold gloves (won several more after that age, too), and had OPS north of 900 several years. Then, he hurt his back and became a slap hitter. He played for the Yankees from 1982 to 1995 before his back forced him to retire. The Yankees lost the World Series in 1981 and won the World Series in 1996. His only playoff series was in his final games as a Yankee when the Yankees lost a series 3-2 when Ken Griffey Jr. scored the winning run sliding into home plate. What a hard luck career. Mattingly is probably the best Yankee player who never played in a World Series.
@ammo posted:Burnes loses arby case. So he will make 10.01 million for the season. Brewers think there will be no drop off in Burnes pitching. Have a great season Corbin and make it up next year.
Somehow, I'm guessing if the Brewers were even remotely serious about signing him to an extension at some point that (if he stays healthy) will almost certainly be well over 100 million, they wouldn't have worried about 700K this year.
Of course, this is the same team that paid 750K to release Boxberger instead of just paying him an extra 2 million to pitch for them this year.
@MichiganPacker posted:Mattingly's career is depressing similar to Yelich's trajectory. Mattingly looked like a surefire HOFer by age 28. 6 time all-star, 5 gold gloves (won several more after that age, too), and had OPS north of 900 several years. Then, he hurt his back and became a slap hitter. He played for the Yankees from 1982 to 1995 before his back forced him to retire. The Yankees lost the World Series in 1981 and won the World Series in 1996. His only playoff series was in his final games as a Yankee when the Yankees lost a series 3-2 when Ken Griffey Jr. scored the winning run sliding into home plate. What a hard luck career. Mattingly is probably the best Yankee player who never played in a World Series.
Mattingly hurt his back as you say, a disc or two. He could no longer uncoil as he did before the injury. I believe he got hurt in Milwaukee.
@ammo posted:Burnes loses arby case. So he will make 10.01 million for the season. Brewers think there will be no drop off in Burnes pitching. Have a great season Corbin and make it up next year.
Starting to get a vibe about Anastasio and where he’s headed with this team that I don’t like.
I'm more concerned about the money they gave Aaron Ashby. After signing a 5 year contract he suddenly get shoulder fatigue? And it is still affecting him yet? Sure he gets more than a strike out per inning but you are no good sitting on the injured list. The money the club spent on him may have more to do with them not being able to sign Woody or Burnes to a long term deal. There are only so many $$$$ to go around.
@ammo posted:I'm more concerned about the money they gave Aaron Ashby. After signing a 5 year contract he suddenly get shoulder fatigue? And it is still affecting him yet? Sure he gets more than a strike out per inning but you are no good sitting on the injured list. The money the club spent on him may have more to do with them not being able to sign Woody or Burnes to a long term deal. There are only so many $$$$ to go around.
Ashby got 20 million over 5 years. Woodruff and Burnes will get at least 25-30 million each annually over multiple years.
I understand how a small market club can't afford to pay Hader, Woodruff, Burnes, and Yelich a combined 100-120 million a year. No matter what your budget is, I don't understand the Boxberger move. For an extra 2 million you get a very effective bullpen workhorse. I don't care if you payroll is 70 million or 150 million, 2 million for a guy like that is a bargain every team is looking for.
@Blair Kiel posted:Starting to get a vibe about Anastasio and where he’s headed with this team that I don’t like.
Yes. The way the news is starting to leak out about needing more money for stadium repairs and renovations and the fact the stadium is over 20 years old is consistent with this direction. The current lease runs out in 2030. That's a lot closer that it seems. Attanasio will probably start pleading poverty and how he needs stadium upgrades (or god forbid a new stadium) to truly be competitive.
But many relief pitchers seem to have a shortened "life span". It is hard to tell how many good years Boxberger had left in him. They seem to go downhill fast or batters figure them out. Like in football, better to get rid of a guy a year too early than a year too late. As recently as 2019 he pitched for 3 different ML teams. And maybe the new rules coming up had something to do with the Brewers jettisoning Boxberger. And don't get me rong, I liked Boxberger too.
@ammo posted:But many relief pitchers seem to have a shortened "life span". It is hard to tell how many good years Boxberger had left in him. They seem to go downhill fast or batters figure them out. Like in football, better to get rid of a guy a year too early than a year too late. As recently as 2019 he pitched for 3 different ML teams. And maybe the new rules coming up had something to do with the Brewers jettisoning Boxberger. And don't get me rong, I liked Boxberger too.
I agree with you that relievers can lose it fast. As much as I hated it, that's why moving on from Hader made sense (although I wish they'd have waited until after the season).
They are already paying Boxberger 750K to buy him out. The minimum salary for any player is 720K. So, they basically cut him to save about about 1.3 million compared to signing a minimum salary guy. That's peanuts for a guy that's been very consistent. Even if he loses it overnight, it's not the kind of payroll mistake that hampers you in any real way.
One thing for sure, it will be interesting to see what kind of year Box has for the Cubs. We will know if the Brewers made the right choice or not.
Burnes said the Brewers argued in arbitration that problems with Burnes were a significant reason why they didn't make the post-season last year. Watch this Burnes interview.
https://twitter.com/JRRadcliff...overage%7Ctwcon%5Es1
This will end well I'm sure.
Here’s the thing
There was absolutely ZERO reason to do Burnes like that. You listen to his statements today and clearly he’s pissed and disappointed. All over 750K? That’s almost as much as Attanasio paid recently for some stupid memorabilia.
This franchise has a history of making cheap ass decisions that have come back to haunt them. Burnes isn’t quite Paul Molitor like, but it’s not that far removed in terms of pure insult.
You can take the austerity route which clearly is what Milwaukee is doing. They destroyed team chemistry by trading Hader when they did and now they are alienating their best player. They already kicked Stearns to the curb because they knew he was due a modest pay day, and now this?
There used to be a time I’d go to 8-10 games a year. As recently as 2 years ago. And I’m not talking cheap seats. No longer.
Mark A has made his intentions clear. He’s the 2020 version of that scumbag Bud Selig. And if Tony Evers thinks the commonwealth and legislature will support a 300 million subsidy for Miller Park for “maintenance” he and the Brewers can fuck right off.
They better win the next 2-3 years because Matt Arnold ain’t Stearns and this strategy is not sustainable.
I’m sure this is all a plan to extend Burnes and Woodruff eh ammo? What a joke. Might as well deal both now for maximum value but they won’t because they will repeat Hader move and sell the fan base on more bites at the apple.
You take great joy in criticizing me in every post. EVERY POST. If you hate what the Brewers are doing so much why do you follow them and comment here?
You don’t seem to have an issue criticizing others but it’s more about highlighting how fraudulent the Brewers FO and owners are.
They drone on about how it’s all about the fans but they charge a shit ton for anything at the stadium and God knows they don’t spend and reinvest back into improving the roster.
Worse yet, they have the gall to float the lease as a means to secure more free money from the state for “maintenance” for a stadium that was basically paid for through public funding.
So yeah, I’m salty about it. Go ahead and pull that shit if you are the Marlins or Pirates or Rays but this fan base has supported them through thick and thin and they want to continue to pick your pocket. Fuck that.
I’d suggest any real fan to read the transcripts from the arbitration hearing for Burnes and let me know how Arnold and Attanasio are taking the high road? It’s laughable. And for Arnold to have the nerve to say it’s not personal over 750K well played dude. You treat your best player like that well you don’t give two shits about the fans either.
It wouldn't have even taken $750K. Listening to Burnes it sounds like the Brewers wouldn't negotiate at all. Even if Burnes, who personally went to the meeting, had won he'd be pissed off over comments that were made. All of the hard feeling could have been avoided if they met Burnes halfway by increasing $3-400K. We're going to find out that money would have gone a long way.
I don't think that is the case. Being the Brewers reached deals with 10 of the 11 arby eligible players says something. There must have been some give and take by both sides in those 10 deals.
Here is a link to a very good article about the whole Burnes situation. It is a long read but gives good balance to both sides and the reason the Brewers may have did what they did. I suggest everyone reads this.
Thanks for the post.
I just have a bad vibe about the teams future, both short and long term. …Milwaukee has seen this movie.
The arb process is brutal to players, but it is the process they negotiated.
Just a feeling, but not a fan of the Crew FO right now taking this team in the right direction
The FO pissed off everybody, even people from afar. Don August, who hasn't been heard from in 30 years, even laid the wood to their asses. This is a bad start for Arnold and I can't believe they based their argument on Burnes tailing off in the 2nd half of the season. I agree about your views on direction the FO might take this team.
The Contreras trade was a steal though, need more of that and less nickel and dime
Those guys are hard to find. Contreras only becomes available because the Braves are taking a shot now. Not many teams can trade a catcher, of all positions, that could start for 10 years for them.
On paper, they could have a pretty decent year if guys stay healthy and they play up to their ability.
My concern is they’ve lost a lot of goodwill from players and fans since the Hader trade. Basically ditching Boxberger for peanuts and letting Stearns walk because he was due a payday look awful from an optics standpoint, and now you pile on more BS with the Burnes arby.
We all know there’s very little chance that Burnes was going to be extended before this mess, but it’s sending the wrong message.
It sends the wrong message to everybody, not just the players. As a fan, what hope is there of ever seriously building a true long lasting contender? This team reminds me of the Montreal Expos when they were good but kept trading important pieces and were essentially in a constant moderate rebuild and never quite good enough to get over the hump. The timing of the Hader trade is one I will never understand. I think Stearns panicked because Hader was getting lit up.
They traded Hader because they weren’t going to pay him 15M this season that he deserved and was worth.
I didn’t have a problem with dealing him, but at midseason? No way. They couldn’t have picked a worse time.
No free agent will ever want to come to Milwaukee given the way they’ve treated some of these guys recently. And opposing teams know Milwaukee won’t sign their better players to extensions so trades are on the table but the Brewers won’t have nearly as much leverage now.
Is it what an owner does when “his”stadium is getting “old”, and he wants to dwindle support in order to improve the optics for the move to a new city and a new stadium, such as Nashville, for instance? They’re going Costanza on the Milwaukee Brewers.
Trading Hader at mid-season really deflated the team. It looked like they were throwing the towel in. Then when they released Lamet because they picked up Bush and no longer had a spot on the 40 man roster it really made me question what was going on. Hader found himself and the Brewers could have gotten more for Hader at the end of the season, especially if they made a push in the playoffs. Stearns had plenty of hits but he's also had some misses and that was one of them.
@tsr86free posted:Is it what an owner does when “his”stadium is getting “old”, and he wants to dwindle support in order to improve the optics for the move to a new city and a new stadium, such as Nashville, for instance? They’re going Costanza on the Milwaukee Brewers.
It appears Milw will always have the threat of a move hanging over their heads. When I was a lot younger I didn't understand that baseball was a business. When the Braves left Milw I said to my dad, "they can't move, they belong to Milw." His comment was, "they just did". That's when reality set in and I'll never forget it. They had a ton of star players on that team.
@PackerRick posted:It appears Milw will always have the threat of a move hanging over their heads. When I was a lot younger I didn't understand that baseball was a business. When the Braves left Milw I said to my dad, "they can't move, they belong to Milw." His comment was, "they just did". That's when reality set in and I'll never forget it. They had a ton of star players on that team.
And if you try to make them belong to Milwaukee they'll move in the middle of the night.
Looks like we overreacted folks
Word has it that GM Matt Arnold and Corbin Burnes met earlier today, cleared the air and are turning their focus to the upcoming season.
— Todd Rosiak (@Todd_Rosiak) February 18, 2023
