Brewers would never move would they??

I’ve been of that mindset for a while now. Attanasio is an opportunist, just like the vast majority of the wealthy owner class. I believe a move to be a 50/50 outcome at this point.

Some good reading here

https://www.amazon.com/Field-S...rivate/dp/1567511392

And here

https://www.amazon.com/Stadium...oggles/dp/0816634343

Franchises don't ever move for greener pastures, they exist to serve the fan

@tsr86free posted:

I’ve been of that mindset for a while now. Attanasio is an opportunist, just like the vast majority of the wealthy owner class. I believe a move to be a 50/50 outcome at this point.

Disagree.

Its posturing.

No way they are a 6-year lame duck.

Posturing or blackmail?

Worlds second oldest profession is rich owners extracting concessions from cities.

Yup…bend over

How many owners actually own the stadium their team plays in?  I really don't know.  Should Attanasio put some of his millions into the improvements, absolutely.  But let me ask you this, how many here would put money into their neighbors house just to improve the neighborhood? 

@Blair Kiel posted:

Worlds second oldest profession is rich owners extracting concessions from cities.

So how do we protest??  We want the Crew to stay in Milwaukee don’t we???  I mean we lived through the name change thing…….Braves…REMEMBER????  The name left but the heart and soul of the city remained right??

It’s frustrating for sure because this franchise has really loyal fans that support the team through thick and thin but have been blessed with two cheapskate owners in Selig and Attanasio that have no problem pulling our strings.  

You can show your protest by not buying stuff or going to games but in the end Mark A will get over either way.  If the city or state don’t step up they’ll just threaten to move or actually skip town. Lose lose all the way around.  

Milwaukee owes Selig a lot. I watched the Braves move to ATL and if Selig hadn't gotten the Pilots as quickly as he did Milw never would have gotten a team. I don't care how cheap he was, without him there would be no Brewers. Attanasio is a different story. It's almost like owning a sports team was just on his bucket list. He doesn't even strike me as a baseball guy let alone someone dedicated to having baseball in Milw like Selig was.

We’ll agree to disagree on Selig.  The way he treated Paul Molitor is one of the great travesties in Wisconsin sports history.  Selig’s hero status is really overstated.  

As for Mark A, I once read he spent 500K on some Hank Aaron memorabilia.   Yet he’s haggling with Corbin Burnes - arguably their best starting pitcher in my lifetime- over peanuts?  

We as fans don’t get to pick the owner but Mark A is a complete putz.

I don’t understand how this is in the conversation. AFF is a great stadium. Every non Brewers fan I’ve met who has been there has told me so. Updates should be made periodically like any stadium. I’m sure there are ways Wisconsinites can and would be willing to finance them. Whatever anyone feels about Selig, I would think he would have enough pull with MLB to ensure a move wouldn’t happen.

I agree about Mark A. As I said before, he just doesn't strike me as a baseball guy. He could care less if the Brewers move, he'd probably even welcome it.

With Selig it's different. In my eyes he really couldn't do much wrong after he brought baseball back to Milwaukee so quickly. But wasn't the same, I watched Mathews, Aaron, Alou, Carty, etc. but it was MLB. There were actually 4 HOF players on the team so that was tough to watch them leave. I don't like how the Molitor situation turned out either but without Selig he never would have been a fan favorite in Milw.

@Blair Kiel posted:

Disagree.

Its posturing.

No way they are a 6-year lame duck.

The county is in violation of the lease if they don’t fully comply, which releases the team from the lease. I hope you are right that they are just posturing, although I think it is both that and plans to leave as the card up their sleeve if they need it. Either way, Assanasio gets MORE.

American Family Field is still a destination site in SE Wisconsin. The retractable roof guarantees that a game will be played, every game day, so travelers do not gamble with missing a game they bought tickets for, due to bad weather. American Family Field may be showing its age. At the onset, it had it's troubles due to the contractor installing the wrong and undersized motor that opened the roof. Good luck getting State aid to help with the upkeep of AFF. Voters down there recalled their elected officials who made the local, area counties pay for the stadium with an extra tax, when the stadium first went up. The situation at AFF, will be no different than what vikings' fans are facing with their stadium, where they do not have the revenue to repair the glass roof and make other necessary repairs, to that monstrosity, because pull tabs sales, used to finance those repairs, are way down. Maybe MLB should offer a stock sale for ownership of their stadia? I do not know what the answer is, but I can tell you it will cost a lot in lost revenue, jobs and in the loss of an ardent fanbase, if the Brewers decide to pull out of the State.

Where are they going to go?  

@PackerRick posted:

I agree about Mark A. As I said before, he just doesn't strike me as a baseball guy. He could care less if the Brewers move, he'd probably even welcome it.

With Selig it's different. In my eyes he really couldn't do much wrong after he brought baseball back to Milwaukee so quickly. But wasn't the same, I watched Mathews, Aaron, Alou, Carty, etc. but it was MLB. There were actually 4 HOF players on the team so that was tough to watch them leave. I don't like how the Molitor situation turned out either but without Selig he never would have been a fan favorite in Milw.

The Brewers era from 1978-1982 was the favorite sports era of my life. I like Giannis and this Bucks era is close, but those late 70s/early 80s teams were loaded with fun players and future HOFers. Selig was willing to spend relative to the other teams back then (until the billionaire owners came in during the 90s and really ramped up the payrolls and Selig couldn't compete).

That 1982 team had 5 HOF players: Yount, Molitor, Sutton (2.5 years on the roster), Fingers (4 years), and Simmons (5 years).

The Brewers have not had another HOFer or obvious future HOFer play more than 2 years for them since. Trevor Hoffman played two years (and one good year) at the end of his career, Sabathia played for 3 months, and Greinke for 1.5 years.

52 years and only 2 players with Brewer caps on in the Hall of Fame (primary team).

@Pikes Peak posted:

Where are they going to go?  

Not sure how many big cities are in a position to get a MLB team or would even want a team but one city I keep hearing things about is Nashville.  Its a booming city and I could see it being a possibility. 

I grew up in Wisconsin as a huge Brewers fan who as a kid actually rooted harder for them than the Packers.  Since then I have lived out of state all of my adult life and I have never been to the new stadium or know anything about the current owner.  I hope for the state and the city they can figure something out because it would be a sad day to lose the team.

@Pikes Peak posted:

Where are they going to go?  

They'll have many options, there are about 10 cities trying for an expansion team. If the As can land in Vegas the Brewers will have options.

@MichiganPacker posted:

Selig was willing to spend relative to the other teams back then (until the billionaire owners came in during the 90s and really ramped up the payrolls and Selig couldn't compete).

This is something that is overlooked. When he signed Bando it changed some things, similar to what Reggie White's signing did in GB. Larry Hisle signed about the largest contract in MLB when he came to Milw. When Selig could compete financially he did and he improved that team, which probably any better than the Braves AAA team when they arrived in Milw., quickly. There was a big dropoff going from Matthews and Aaron to Danny Walton.

I’m not sure the Reggie White signing compares to anything Brewers related.   Reggie White is arguably the best NFL free agent that ever signed with any team, and the Packers paid a premium for him.  

As for possible landing spots for the Brewers, I can think of Nashville, Louisville, Indianapolis, OKC, Salt Lake City, Portland, San Antonio, and Charlotte.  Those are just a few cities that immediately came to mind.  

But how many of those cities have a Major League ready stadium?  Just because a city wants a team doesn't mean they can accommodate one.

@Tschmack posted:

I’m not sure the Reggie White signing compares to anything Brewers related.   Reggie White is arguably the best NFL free agent that ever signed with any team, and the Packers paid a premium for him.  

As for possible landing spots for the Brewers, I can think of Nashville, Louisville, Indianapolis, OKC, Salt Lake City, Portland, San Antonio, and Charlotte.  Those are just a few cities that immediately came to mind.  

The Brewers signings weren't of the magnitude of getting a top 10 NFL player all time to come to Green Bay, but I would argue Bando and Hisle were almost as important in changing the perception of Milwaukee in 1978 as a place guys would actually go play if the money was right.

The 1976 Brewers won 66 games. They signed Bando for 1977 and traded for Cooper the same year and while they didn't win any more games, it was a sign they were going to be aggressive in trying to contend (and not just a novelty act like they were in 1975-76 when they traded for Aaron to get fans to come to the park). (Although, George Scott was a very underrated player in the mid 70s).

I think people forget how good Hisle was in the 1978. He had just hit 300 with 28 HRS and 119 RBIs for the Twins and was only 30 years old. In 1978 for the Brewers, he was third in the MVP voting and was at 290/34 HRS/115 RBIs. He gave them a presence in the middle of the order and allowed time for Yount, Molitor, and Cooper to mature into what they became. They jumped to 93 wins that year and getting Hisle and having Caldwell for the whole year is what allowed the jump. Caldwell just had an attitude to him that changed the whole dynamic of the team.

If he hadn't torn his rotator cuff, the next year he'd have continued to make major contributions.

I remember that season well and it finally felt good to have a good team.

"Talkin baseball, Molitor and Yount. Brewer baseball Thomas hits them out. Gentle Ben and Bando came to play, Larry Hisle will have another day, talkin baseball Brewers all the way!!"

@ammo posted:

"Talkin baseball, Molitor and Yount. Brewer baseball Thomas hits them out. Gentle Ben and Bando came to play, Larry Hisle will have another day, talkin baseball Brewers all the way!!"

I forgot that 1978 was Oglivie's first year as a Brewer too. They traded Slaton for him (and then Slaton came back in free agency the next year)

@Tschmack posted:

I’m not sure the Reggie White signing compares to anything Brewers related.   Reggie White is arguably the best NFL free agent that ever signed with any team, and the Packers paid a premium for him.  

As for possible landing spots for the Brewers, I can think of Nashville, Louisville, Indianapolis, OKC, Salt Lake City, Portland, San Antonio, and Charlotte.  Those are just a few cities that immediately came to mind.  

I'm not saying Larry Hisle was Reggie White as a player but I do think the signing is similar. FAs weren't coming to GB or the Brewers and both players opened that door. Hisle was the top bat available and he signed with a 67 win team because they also blew him away with money. The Brewers won 93 games the next season and that's when their transformation came to contender status. In 1992 the Packers were 9-7. White came in 93 and the Packers went 9-7 the next 2 seasons.

There are about 10 cities vying for an expansion team and that is why Vegas is trying so hard to get the As. Ideally an expansion team is what the city wants after what the Knights have done but they don't want to compete with 10 cities for 2 teams. There has even been talk of expanding internationally.

@MichiganPacker posted:

If he hadn't torn his rotator cuff, the next year he'd have continued to make major contributions.

I honestly think the Brewers would have won a WS if Hisle hadn't gotten hurt. He had a 6 year deal and they only got one healthy season out of him. And they still came close. The Ranger paid Richie Zisk  $3 mil over 10 years and the Brewers coughed up $3+ mil over 6 years for Hisle about a week later. That was astronomical money in those days. Selig wasn't cheap until he couldn't keep up.

@MichiganPacker posted:

I forgot that 1978 was Oglivie's first year as a Brewer too. They traded Slaton for him (and then Slaton came back in free agency the next year)

At first I didn't like that trade because Oglivie was a career platoon player and slated to be the just a 4th OFer. But he really blossomed when Hisle got hurt and he got his chance. He looked like an undisciplined hitter but his K/BB ratio was incredible for a power hitter. When Slaton re-signed with the Brewers it went from great trade to possibly the most one-sided trade in Brewer history.

@Pikes Peak posted:

Where are they going to go?  

This. Possible options might be Charlotte, Orlando, or maybe San Antonio. And none of them are ready to take on an MLB team.

So, to paraphrase Zimmy….they ain’t going nowhere

@PackerRick posted:

I honestly think the Brewers would have won a WS if Hisle hadn't gotten hurt. He had a 6 year deal and they only got one healthy season out of him. And they still came close. The Ranger paid Richie Zisk  $3 mil over 10 years and the Brewers coughed up $3+ mil over 6 years for Hisle about a week later. That was astronomical money in those days. Selig wasn't cheap until he couldn't keep up.

Didn't Selig become the first owner to pay two players (Yount and Molitor) a million dollars each?

As others have said those Brewers teams of 78-82 were so much fun to watch.  I can remember times such as when I was in 8th grade and our teacher allowed us to have the radio on for opening day.  That was the game that Sixto Lezcano hit a grand slam to win on opening day I believe against the Red Sox.  Great memory from that day.

@The Heckler posted:

Didn't Selig become the first owner to pay two players (Yount and Molitor) a million dollars each?

As others have said those Brewers teams of 78-82 were so much fun to watch.  I can remember times such as when I was in 8th grade and our teacher allowed us to have the radio on for opening day.  That was the game that Sixto Lezcano hit a grand slam to win on opening day I believe against the Red Sox.  Great memory from that day.

I remember having to run somewhere after school in 1980 and my mother being irritated with me because I wouldn't come into the store because I wanted to hear the end of the Lezcano game. I remember screaming in the car after the grand slam. Here's the radio call of the grand slam (you have to listen into the middle of the Youtube post as the audio is not synced with the video).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoDJChVMr_I

Still a top Brewer game all-time for me. Here's a partial list, and I know I'm missing some.

1. Game 5 of the 1982 ALDS

2. Nyger Morgan walk off, 2011.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1Qng-dUBqw

3. 13th in a row on Easter Sunday 1987

4. July 1979. Cecil Cooper goes deep three times. Reggie Jackson charges Mike Caldwell. Brewers beat the Yankees on a Cooper walk off. I remember Uecker going crazy on this one.

5. Juan Nieves no hitter, 1987

6. Lezcano grand slam on opening day.

7. Clinching a playoff berth in 1981 (Fingers gets the final out)

8. Clinching the playoffs in 1982 against Baltimore. They ended the season with 4 games in Baltimore. They needed to win one and they lost the first three and finally won on the last day of the season.

@The Heckler posted:

Didn't Selig become the first owner to pay two players (Yount and Molitor) a million dollars each?

As others have said those Brewers teams of 78-82 were so much fun to watch.  I can remember times such as when I was in 8th grade and our teacher allowed us to have the radio on for opening day.  That was the game that Sixto Lezcano hit a grand slam to win on opening day I believe against the Red Sox.  Great memory from that day.

The 2nd game in that series was just as good. Cooper and Money both hit grand slams in the 2nd inning.

@MichiganPacker posted:

I remember having to run somewhere after school in 1980 and my mother being irritated with me because I wouldn't come into the store because I wanted to hear the end of the Lezcano game. I remember screaming in the car after the grand slam. Here's the radio call of the grand slam (you have to listen into the middle of the Youtube post as the audio is not synced with the video).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoDJChVMr_I

Still a top Brewer game all-time for me. Here's a partial list, and I know I'm missing some.

1. Game 5 of the 1982 ALDS

2. Nyger Morgan walk off, 2011.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1Qng-dUBqw

3. 13th in a row on Easter Sunday 1987

4. July 1979. Cecil Cooper goes deep three times. Reggie Jackson charges Mike Caldwell. Brewers beat the Yankees on a Cooper walk off. I remember Uecker going crazy on this one.

5. Juan Nieves no hitter, 1987

6. Lezcano grand slam on opening day.

7. Clinching a playoff berth in 1981 (Fingers gets the final out)

8. Clinching the playoffs in 1982 against Baltimore. They ended the season with 4 games in Baltimore. They needed to win one and they lost the first three and finally won on the last day of the season.

#8 was Younts big day with a couple homers. It's also the day Willie Wilson sat out so Yount couldn't win the batting title on the final day of the season. Yount went 3-4 and finished at .331, a point behind Wilson.

@PackerRick posted:

The 2nd game in that series was just as good. Cooper and Money both hit grand slams in the 2nd inning.

Didn't remember that.

Cooper was a 5-time all star, got MVP votes 5 separate times, almost 2200 career hits, lifetime OPS over 800, two-time gold glove winner.

Didn't get a single vote for the HOF. You didn't necessarily expect him to make it, but a lot of guys like him get a handful of votes.