Bucks suck so far. Down in the second quarter.
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Are the regulars playing?
Bucks just putrid so far. Down 3 to one of the worst teams in the league. 3 for 16 from three. Giannis and Portis are 7 for 12, the rest of the team is 5 for 22.
@MNPackman posted:Are the regulars playing?
Yes. Full team tonight. Just a terrible shooting night so far. They got up 12-4 early and then just seemed to fall asleep.
Just as I post that, Middleton is ruled out with an ankle sprain.
Bucks down 2 at the half. Looked like they were sleepwalking. Must have given up 10 dunks.
Giannis 5 for 10
Everybody else 13 for 39
I donât know why the Bucks are struggling against bad teams. Houston had no business being in this game.
Portis is 5 for 7, so, the team beyond the Freak and Portis is shooting 25%.
A little more intensity in the second half please, guys.
Second half is not much better. Two more transition dunks.
Giannis is getting handled pretty well right now by a rookie. He's been pretty passive so far.
Down 4 and Bud takes a timeout.
Giannis is not getting any whistles going to the rim for a second game in a row. Gives up a transition FT pair by looking at the refs.
Bucks getting outhustled and outworked right now.
Bucks hit two threes in a row to go up 3.
Giannis sitting with 3 fouls.
Bucks up 5 going to the 4th. Portis with 15 points and 14 rebounds in 22 minutes.
Holiday with 25-4-8
Giannis pretty passive tonight. 13-10-4 going to the 4th.
Giannis continues to be passive.
Bucks continue to play a really dumb game. Up 3, but bad turnovers and jacking up early shot clock 3s have kept the Rockets in it.
Giannis not even looking for offense. He has 2 points in the second half and no point (and almost no shots) in the last 21 minutes of game time.
Bud calls timeout. Sets up a play - Giannis fumbles the catch - breakaway dunk. Only up 1.
Giannis has looked disinterested for large stretches of the game.
Giannis to the line now and the Rockets call timeout. And Giannis misses a FT.
WTF? Giannis shoots a 3 early in the shot clock and barely gets iron?
Just idiotic basketball.
Tie game with 2:45 left. Bucks with 3 points in the last 4 minutes.
Bucks lucked into a win on Friday. This is the payback
What a fukking joke. Allen misses a wide open dunk- Bucks behind now after the Rockets score in transition.
Then offensive basket interference. Rockets ball up 2.
Again, Giannis with a terrible pass to Lopez. He's just played like shit, especially in the second half.
Giannis misses another FT. 2 for 6 tonight.
Might be the second game where his FT woes cost them a win (Philly)
Grayson Allen another horrible play. Underthrows a lob to Giannis. Now down 4.
Grayson Allen misses a dunk and a bad turnover. I'd bench him for the next game for that missed dunk. He tried to hot dog a dunk that would have put them up 2 that he. missed that ended in a transition layup on the other end with under 2 minutes left. Bucks never led again.
Giannis got embarrassed by a rookie. Just an overall pathetic performance. About as bad as he's been in any game in a long time. 7 for 17 from the floor.
Jabari Smith Jr. talked about how he was going to handle Giannis before the game and then dominated Giannis on the defensive end of the floor.
Turning point of the game -Grayson Allen misses a dunk.
Just lay the ball in and go up 2.
I donât get what Allen provides this team. Occasionally, he can get hot shooting the ball. But the rest of the time, he doesnât provide much of anything to the team.
Ultimately it's a December loss that won't mean anything, but it was reminiscent of how the Bucks struggle in the playoffs in the half court. They had 5 points the last 7 minutes of this game and had no answer for the Giannis wall that the Rockets put up. Giannis went from the first minute of the third quarter to the last 2 minutes of the game without scoring and almost taking no shot attempts. The Bucks kept bricking 3s and Holiday also had some bad turnovers. But if Allen just hits a layup, the Bucks may just win.
The basketball gods give and take for sure in this one. Milwaukee had no business winning against Dallas, and they had no business in losing to Houston.
The stat that jumped out to me was Milwaukee had 36 points in the paint compared to 56 points in the paint for the Rockets. So -20 differential which rarely happens. Obviously the turnovers didnât help either and theyâve developed a really bad habit of not closing teams out or executing at end of games.
Grayson Allen may have hit the big shot against the NYK, but heâs been awful in crunch time since then. Bud has to sit him late in games because heâs made a lot of bad decisions.
@Tschmack posted:The basketball gods give and take for sure in this one. Milwaukee had no business winning against Dallas, and they had no business in losing to Houston.
The stat that jumped out to me was Milwaukee had 36 points in the paint compared to 56 points in the paint for the Rockets. So -20 differential which rarely happens. Obviously the turnovers didnât help either and theyâve developed a really bad habit of not closing teams out or executing at end of games.
Grayson Allen may have hit the big shot against the NYK, but heâs been awful in crunch time since then. Bud has to sit him late in games because heâs made a lot of bad decisions.
The points in the paint differential was largely because of fast break dunks by the Rockets. The Bucks half court defense was stifling in this game, but they had so many bad turnovers and missed shots at the rim, Houston could get out in transition.
Because Middleton went down, they had to play Grayson or Nwora to generate offense. Bud tried Nwora for a 5 minute stint earlier in the game and he looked like a guy that would have trouble starting in the G league.
The assumption is that Ingles or Middleton will get the touches that Grayson has been getting when they get to the playoffs.
Grayson is better than Bryn Forbes because he's not a terrible defender, but they are very similar in an important aspect. That is, if you want someone to hit a bunch of open 3s in the first half of game in December, they seem to shoot about 55%. When it gets to be a higher leverage situation (late in games or in the playoffs), they revert back to being league average shooters.
Can and/or will they package Nwora and G. Allen in a trade for another playoff-playable piece?
There were a ton of rumors circulating about a month ago regarding Jae Crowder and Allen was one player mentioned in a trade package.
Crowder may not help them as much as Allen filling minutes in the regular season, but heâs another big that can eat up fouls and hit outside shots. Against a team like Boston or Miami or Toronto heâd be pretty useful in the playoffs. Iâm not sure Allen is really playable against those teams.
@Tschmack posted:There were a ton of rumors circulating about a month ago regarding Jae Crowder and Allen was one player mentioned in a trade package.
Crowder may not help them as much as Allen filling minutes in the regular season, but heâs another big that can eat up fouls and hit outside shots. Against a team like Boston or Miami or Toronto heâd be pretty useful in the playoffs. Iâm not sure Allen is really playable against those teams.
Allen is not a black hole on defense, but he showed last year that he's not going to hold up against the Celtics, and that's the important series this year. The Bucks could get beat by some other teams in the East (Cavs, Sixers), but if they are going to make the Finals, they are almost certainly going to have to beat the Celtics and Allen was horrible in that series and they just hunted him for matchups with Tatum and Brown.
As you say, the problem is that Jae Crowder isn't going to give you 30 minutes and 20 points against the lower end teams and help you win a few extra games in the regular season. He's in the Wes Matthews/PJ Tucker mold - a guy that will make the superstars work for their points in the playoffs, but aren't going to win games with their offense.
The Bucks are also already the oldest team in the league, and this would just make them older. They went all in and they hit a home run with Holiday, but the difference in the athleticism (outside of Giannis) and explosiveness last night against the Rockets was jarring.
Some rumors in last 48 hours that Knicks are shopping Cam Reddish. Milwaukee is one of a few teams that is said to be interested.
Heâs definitely got the tools to be an elite player, but needless to say he hasnât been the hardest worker nor has he been intense and focused to get better.
I would pass
Sounds like Joe Ingles is getting closer to returning.
@Tschmack posted:Some rumors in last 48 hours that Knicks are shopping Cam Reddish. Milwaukee is one of a few teams that is said to be interested.
Heâs definitely got the tools to be an elite player, but needless to say he hasnât been the hardest worker nor has he been intense and focused to get better.
I would pass
Sounds like Joe Ingles is getting closer to returning.
If you could get him for Nwora, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Maybe Nwora and a 2nd round pick? However, it may require G. Allen, and I don't think I'd do that.
Reddish showed in some matchups with the Bucks that he has the tools to be an elite defensive player at the very least. I think being around a group of veteran wings that are professional in their approach to the game like Holiday, Middleton, Hill, Matthews, J. Carter, and Connaughton is exactly what he needs.
Reddish has been in the league for 4 years, but he's still only 23 years old. He's 13 months older than Beauchamp. The Bucks do need to become more athletic in general, and he'd be a relatively low price reclamation project.
The Lakers have also expressed interest, but if I'm his agents I try to get him to Milwaukee and away from the Lakers circus and all the Hollywood stuff that may make it difficult for him to get what he needs - maturity and a professional approach to the game.
Itâs shocking how quickly Atlanta moved on from Reddish given he was the 10th overall pick in 2019. Then again, Johnny Davis was taken 10th overall and Reddish looks like James Worthy in his prime compared to Davis.
I agree that heâd be worth dealing Nwora because when Ingels returns he wonât have a spot but Milwaukee would need to throw in more salary as well ie Ibaka or Matthews or Carter.
@Tschmack posted:Itâs shocking how quickly Atlanta moved on from Reddish given he was the 10th overall pick in 2019. Then again, Johnny Davis was taken 10th overall and Reddish looks like James Worthy in his prime compared to Davis.
I agree that heâd be worth dealing Nwora because when Ingels returns he wonât have a spot but Milwaukee would need to throw in more salary as well ie Ibaka or Matthews or Carter.
Carter needs to stay unless they get a really, really guaranteed contributor back in exchange. He has enormous value in a playoff series to bother opposing PGs in limited minutes. Guys like Kyle Lowry, Marcus Smart, James Harden, etc. And, he's got a cheap contract.
@Tschmack posted:Itâs shocking how quickly Atlanta moved on from Reddish given he was the 10th overall pick in 2019. Then again, Johnny Davis was taken 10th overall and Reddish looks like James Worthy in his prime compared to Davis.
I agree that heâd be worth dealing Nwora because when Ingels returns he wonât have a spot but Milwaukee would need to throw in more salary as well ie Ibaka or Matthews or Carter.
It is shocking that Johnny Davis was being talked about as a Top 5 pick less than a year ago, and probably wouldn't even be picked in the second round if they redrafted today. Reddish has averaged over 10 a game (albeit with some questionable shot selection) in 150 NBA games. Davis is barely averaging that in the G league.
Reddish came back from injury in Game 3 of the Hawks-Bucks ECF two season's ago and looked outstanding. I'd have traded DDV for him straight up last year.