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Heat still hanging around.

Bucks getting nothing from their deeper bench. For all the talk about how deep they were, this playoff series has exposed the complete lack of depth for playoff basketball.

Crowder and Jevon Carter are unplayable. Ingles can only get by in small doses. Portis gets exposed on defense.

They turned PJ Tucker and DDV from the title team into Grayson Allen and not much else. Allen is OK, but he's also only a spot player in the playoffs.

If Middleton doesnโ€™t get hurt last year itโ€™s very possible Bucks go back to back.  Heโ€™s definitely not the same player now.

Giannis gets hurt 10 minutes into game 1.  Heat win game 1 and game 3.  No Giannis.   He plays tonight but clearly heโ€™s not close to 100%.

Sometimes itโ€™s just not meant to be.  

Butler has had arguably the best 4 games of any playoff series I can remember.  

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@Tschmack posted:

If Middleton doesnโ€™t get hurt last year itโ€™s very possible Bucks go back to back.  Heโ€™s definitely not the same player now.

Giannis gets hurt 10 minutes into game 1.  Heat win game 1 and game 3.  No Giannis.  

Sometimes itโ€™s just not meant to be.  

Butler has had arguably the best 4 games of any playoff series I can remember.  

The reason Butler has done that is that Holiday and Middleton have been terrible guarding him. The Heat are hunting Middleton like he's Kyle Korver right now. I wouldn't be surprised when they announce he's going to get knee surgery when the season is done. He can't guard the same way he could before. Middleton is done as an all-star player. I hope he opts out and gets a nice final contract somewhere else. 40 million next year is going to hamstring them.

Jrue Holiday was pitiful tonight. One of the worst performances you will ever see. He was great in the 2021 Finals, but he's not been good on offense in the playoffs since.

In the 4 losses to the Celtics last year in the playoffs, he was 5 for 28 from three.

In the 3 Bucks losses this year, he's 6 for 26 from three.

However, the underlying problem is the Bucks have no depth and he's exhausted, just like against the Celtics last year. Portis, Jevon Carter, Crowder, Portis, and Ingles are completely unplayable in this series.

@mr21mr21 posted:

Why are they getting beat by a mid-tier team? Basically comes down to effort and better coaching. Why didn't Bud call a TO during the Heat run late in the 4th?

I was really hoping for a deep playoff run to hold me over to Packers training camp. The rest of the NBA is unwatchable for me. Hoping the Brewers stay competitive despite their injuries.

They are getting cooked mainly because their top 4 guys had to 40 minutes at full effort. The Bucks bench is terrible. Portis has disappeared.

Butler played 40 minutes, but no other Heat player went more than 30.

In 2021, they went out and got PJ Tucker and he was the missing piece.

In 2022, they traded their one spare asset (DDV) for the corpse of Ibaka.

In 2023, they traded their only real borderline player they could spare (Nwora) and every second round pick they could scrounge up for Crowder. He's been painful to watch in this series.

@Pikes Peak posted:

This ainโ€™t over.  

It's over. Middleton is not right. Holiday looks like he wants to go hide.

The Bucks might (and that's a big might) win Game 5, but the Heat are going to boat race them in Miami in Game 6 if it gets that far.

Bud has no answers. Part of it is Bud's lack of adjustments. We do what we do. It's the same thing Popovich has done for years.

The bigger part is the whiff on personnel decisions the last 2 years. They were relying on Matthews and Crowder to be the guys to guard Jimmy Butler and Jayson Tatum in playoff games. Those guys were try-hard 2nd round picks that survived on effort and brute strength despite limited explosiveness. Both might be out of the league next year. They are done as playoff rotation players on any good team.

@Tschmack posted:

No one is going to give Middleton 40M as an opt out.   His injuries have really caught up with him.  He used to be solid on defense, but not anymore.

Holiday will be OK he just canโ€™t do it all on both ends of the court.  

Bucks need to get younger and more athletic.

That's the problem. They have no mechanism to do that. They don't have any first round picks for another 5 years (and even if they did, they won't get a difference maker drafting in the mid-20s or worse).

They sold the farm for Holiday and that was a great move no matter what happens from this point on. They don't win a title without him. But Giannis is the only player the Bucks drafted to play any non-garbage time minutes during the last 3 playoff series. The Bucks didn't even get a guy that can hold up for 15 minutes and not look lost the last decade in the first round - other than DDV and they sent him out for nothing.

Lopez is also a free agent. The Bucks may be looking to just get a 4 seed next year at best.

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