NBA Free Agency (Bucks re-sign Snell to 4 year deal)

I'm OK with the Snell move.  He's proven to  be a pretty decent defender and shot the ball well from 3pt range.   Also might be insurance policy for Parker. 

Moose will be gone after the season (or during it) so 18MM goes with him.

The bigger issue is the 20MM tied up in Henson and Teletovic and another 10MM tied up in Deladova.   Vaughns not helped much either but at least he's not breaking the bank. 

I give it two years before everyone is complaining about how horrible this contract is.  

I think the biggest reason they wanted him back was his impact on the locker room. He's a spiritual leader for a very young roster. And you can do worse as a 3 and D guy. But I think Snell will earn this deal. 

The real issue on the cap right now is Henson. Injury prone and underperforming- that's no way to go through life son...

Only in the NBA does $40+ million get you Snell, Henson, Teletovic and Dellavedova.

heyward posted:

Only in the NBA does $40+ million get you Snell, Henson, Teletovic and Dellavedova.

And none of those 4 are ever likely to be in the discussion for the worst contracts in the NBA.  There are some crazy ones being handed out right now.

JRUE Holiday 5 years 126 million. I had to look him up to see what he'd actually done. 

I like Blake Griffin but not at 5 years 173 million. How many times has he been injured? 

Giannis at 4 years and 100 million is a relative bargain. 

Yup I'm good with signing Snell. He's played some strong defense and has won games with his 3 point shot. 

The killer deals are Henson and Telly, big money and they contribute nothing. Plus Henson just makes me angry to even look at him....lazy waste of space.

There are far worse contracts out there 

Take a look at Allen Crabbe and Evan Turner.   Similar stats to Snell (neither as good defensively) and they are both making 18MM per year!!  Makes Deladova contract seem reasonable.

I'm OK with Delly as he is good on D and he will play a lot of minutes at either G spot.  Teletovic and Henson are different in that where are they helping?  Even if Moose goes I don't see Henson getting time as Maker is going to get a lot of minutes.  Teletovic can fit a need but dude was atrocious in 2016. 

Holy **** 

Lowry and Ibaka resign for 3 years a total of 165MM

Bucks were rumored to be hot after Ben McLemore, but I don't understand why. He's a shooter sure, but no D. Might have been an agent pumping the offer from the Grizzlies, which is where he ended up. 

Millsap to the Nuggets gets another all-star level player out of the Eastern conference. Millsap got 3 years and 90 million. 

Millsap, Lowry, and Ibaka just got a quarter of billion dollars in contracts over the next 3 years!

If Giannis can get his 3 point shot to about 35%, Bucks are a potential 3 or 4 seed (Cavs, Celtics, Raptors). 

I dunno if Giannis needs a 3 point shot. I would rather see a mid range game like Middleton from him. 3s can come later. 

But the guys who need to be deadly around him are Middleton, Brogdon, Teletovic, Snell, and Parker when he returns. And if Maker is truly able to make a leap in year 2, that's bonus material. 

So much is riding on the development of these young guys, I have to temper my enthusiasm. Not all will get better. Some are as good as they'll be. If they truly improve, they're a 3/4 seed at worst. 

The team that will be a lot better is Miami, especially if they poach Hayward. 

The top of the East should be pretty good.  Cleveland should win 55+ games and Toronto should be a 50+ win team.  If Boston doesn't sign Hayward I'm not sure they win 50 again this year but will still be a solid team.   Miami is lurking but if they get Hayward they are in the top 3 in the East. 

As for the Bucks, I think a lot depends on the continued development of Maker  and Snell and Brogdon.   If all three of those guys take another step forward (like Giannis did this year) they are good enough to take a run at Cleveland in the East. But they need some help and luck and can't afford any significant injuries like they had this season. 

Bucks meeting with *gulp* Derrick Rose today...

Music City posted:

Bucks meeting with *gulp* Derrick Rose today...

Just, no.

A ball dominant point guard who is among the worst 3 point shooters in the NBA? He was great player who excelled by getting to the rim, but he's about to turn 29 and his knees are probably the equivalent of a 50 year old. It would be like having another MCW, except this version can't play defense.

Tschmack posted:

The top of the East should be pretty good.  Cleveland should win 55+ games and Toronto should be a 50+ win team.  If Boston doesn't sign Hayward I'm not sure they win 50 again this year but will still be a solid team.   Miami is lurking but if they get Hayward they are in the top 3 in the East. 

As for the Bucks, I think a lot depends on the continued development of Maker  and Snell and Brogdon.   If all three of those guys take another step forward (like Giannis did this year) they are good enough to take a run at Cleveland in the East. But they need some help and luck and can't afford any significant injuries like they had this season. 

Good points. I don't think about Maker taking a big leap enough. He's got poor man's version of Kevin Garnett potential (maybe middle class version).

My guess is that Brogdon is about as good as he'll get - but that's good enough to win with and great value as a Round 2 pick. He reminds me of Andre Miller except Brogdon can shoot 3s.

I watched KG in person most of his career in MN.   Good midrange game but could not shoot like Maker.  

That being said, if Maker can defend and rebound half as well as The Ticket he's going to be a stud. 

Tim Hardaway Jr. at 4 years, 71 million. Are you kidding? 

Good grief... 

Tim Hardaway Jr. 4 years at 71 Million. His advanced stats give him 10 Win Shares in 4 years.

Tim Hardaway Sr. 13 years for 46 Million. 5 time all-star. He had 6 years in his first ten over 7 win shares a year.

Even with inflation, if you use 1996 as a midpoint for Sr.'s career, he would have made 71 million dollars in today's money over his whole 13 year career.

Imagine what the owners must be making.

I just have no idea what the Knicks are doing.  Think of some of the more inept sports franchises over the last 30 or so years: 

1980s TB Bucs 

1990s Brewers or Bucks 

2000s Browns or TB Rays 

Modern day Jaguars 

Dolan and his minions might have them all beat 

Tschmack posted:

I just have no idea what the Knicks are doing.  Think of some of the more inept sports franchises over the last 30 or so years: 

1980s TB Bucs 

1990s Brewers or Bucks 

2000s Browns or TB Rays 

Modern day Jaguars 

Dolan and his minions might have them all beat 

The end of the Dan Devine Packer era has to be on that list somewhere.

The Clippers pre-Steve Balmer are probably #1 though.

Tschmack posted:

I just have no idea what the Knicks are doing.  Think of some of the more inept sports franchises over the last 30 or so years: 

1980s TB Bucs 

1990s Brewers or Bucks 

2000s Browns or TB Rays 

Modern day Jaguars 

Dolan and his minions might have them all beat 

Bucs made the playoffs in 1980, 1981, and 1982.

#4 plays for the Bucks...

Clippers yowsa those were some bad teams pre-Ballmer good call 

I can see the Bucks signing Rose, Kidd's track record signing PG's as a GM is impeccable.  

Hope the hell not 

Rose is a train wreck on and off the court 

On a different note, DJ Wilson is flashing some skills in summer league play and maybe Rashad Vaughn is turning the corner? 

Hope you're right as  plenty of fans have given up on Vaughn. Gotta remember he's still a baby....still only 20. He's shown signs.

For all of Kidds ****ing around with the PG position, no one has been close to the player Brandon Knight was 

MCW trade was a cluster**** but at least it netted Snell.  

Kidd needs to stay the hell away from being GM 

Timeouts reduced

About time -maybe the last 2 minutes will only take 10 minutes now instead of 15.

• Each team will have seven timeouts per game, with no restrictions per half. 
• All team timeouts will be 75 seconds. In the previous format, "full" timeouts were 90 seconds and "20-second" timeouts were 60 seconds. Both "full" and "20-second" timeouts have been replaced by team timeouts.
• All four periods will have two mandatory timeouts, which will take place after the first stoppage under the seven- and three-minute marks.
• The under-nine-minute mandatory timeouts in the second and fourth periods will be eliminated.
• Each team can enter the fourth period with up to four team timeouts.
• Each team will be limited to two team timeouts after the later of (i) the three-minute mark of the fourth period or (ii) the resumption of play after the second mandatory timeout of the fourth period.
• Each team will have two team timeouts per overtime period; previously teams had three.

Rose back for a second round of meetings...

WTF

unless this move allows them to shed Henson or Teletovic I have no idea what they are doing