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@Music City posted:

I don’t think so. I think the state this program has been the last 3 years indicates how far he has been over his head.

So if there’s something now that he is doing that he wasn’t before, what is it? What is the hallmark of this program’s success in 2021-22? What is the foundation now that they can build on to repeat that success?

But this is the short-sightedness with which everyone wants to judge the Badgers. You put a great player on the team, win some games, and now Gard can coach? This is the same thing we’re seeing on the football program- and it’s bullshit. Gard’s predecessor built a program. That’s how he won. Gard is winning now because he has a lottery pick- and if he can string a handful of those kinds of guys together, they’ll be the new Kentucky. But that shit ain’t happening.

Wisconsin is never going to get the 5-star guys. Places like Kentucky, Duke, and now Michigan don't win because of coaching. They win because of recruiting, just like Alabama wins in football. The guys that end up as NBA talent are almost always 5-star recruits. Wisconsin has been good since Bo Ryan arrived because they developed 3-star (and occasionally 4-star) recruit into guys that were at least good enough to play in Europe.

The big problem the Badgers have had the last 5-6 years or so is that the guys they did get in the program stopped improving once they got here. You didn't see the big jumps as upperclassmen like you did with Kaminsky, Wilkinson, Leuer, Nankivil, Showalter, Gasser, J. Taylor, T. Jackson, Ethan Happ, etc.

That seemed to coincide with when Gard became the head coach. Ryan was directing everything but Gard was the one working directly with the players under Ryan. When he became the head guy, it was Howard Moore and then Howard Moore and then Tucker that slid into that role. You could argue that it was either Gard failing to live up to Ryan in the head spot or that the assistants working on player development were weaker. Or, maybe, they just got some bad apples as recruits that poisoned the whole develop-from-within philosophy.

We can argue about whether Gard is an elite coach (I think he's good, but not elite), but J. Davis was a 3-star recruit that was shaky in his first year and has now developed into a guy that, at worst, will play for years in the G league. Some credit for that has to go to the coaching staff.

And they only move up one spot in the polls?????  Come on…..

Win your six games in the tournament and stop complaining otherwise.

@Goldie posted:

And they only move up one spot in the polls?????  Come on…..

“The AP Poll will never make sense to me. Somehow an ugly home win versus Illinois State was enough to convince voters that Wisconsin (10-2 overall, 1-1 Big Ten) should move up in the rankings. UW has won their last two games, both at home versus non-conference opponents (Nicholls State, Illinois State) by a combined seven points. Regardless, the Badgers moved up one spot to No. 23 in this week’s AP Poll.

Following Wisconsin’s massive upset over No. 3 Purdue in Mackey Arena on Monday night, where Wisconsin entered the game a staggering 5-40 all time, the Badgers are almost certainly going to jump into the top-15 in next week’s rankings if they can take care of Iowa as well. For this week, here’s how things stand:

The poll came out before the Badgers played Purdue.  We have to wait till next Sunday to see what this win does for their ranking.

Last night, Wisconsin earned its 9th win over a top-10 foe under Greg Gard:

1/3/22 - at #3 Purdue
1/3/20 - at #5 Ohio St
1/19/19 - #2 Michigan
2/14/18 - #6 Purdue
3/18/17 - #1 Villanova
3/20/16 - #9 Xavier
2/24/16 - at #8 Iowa
2/13/16 - at #2 Maryland
1/17/16 - #4 Michigan State pic.twitter.com/bVeFoVbp5a

— Wisconsin Basketball (@BadgerMBB) January 4, 2022

Agree he is a good, but not elite college coach (which is a combo of coaching = recruiting).  Clearly Do was a cancer, but you have to blame Gard for not recognizing the shitty smell in his own house. 

Not to be difficult but, how many have they lost against top 10’s?

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Half those wins are 2015-16 and 2016-17, when he had Koenig and Hayes. Then he let the program spiral into mediocrity and controversy. Davis falls in his lap, and now he has a shot to salvage his career. You need to find the next Johnny Davis by next year- because that kid’s gonna be gone. And in case anyone has noticed, he kinda scored half their points and made all the big plays last night…

So coaches do better with better players.

I hope word doesn't get out to our rivals

Good coaches build programs that make better players. Great coaches do both…

M C's hatred of Gard clouds his vision.  Maybe Gard boinked his sister or maybe Gard wouldn't boink his sister.

@Music City posted:

Good coaches build programs that make better players. Great coaches do both…

I suspect when you wrote this you thought sounded profound. 

It doesn't make any sense. 

@ammo posted:

M C's hatred of Gard clouds his vision.  Maybe Gard boinked his sister or maybe Gard wouldn't boink his sister.

Good coaches boink sisters, great coaches do both

This all very Robert Frosty.

@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:

I suspect when you wrote this you thought sounded profound.

It doesn't make any sense.

In tge context of the quote, I guess I have to spell it. Great coaches develop talent and get top talent (I.e., better players). Sorry if I’m moving too fast for you…

From the guy who thinks it's quick/clever to use an av of Let's Go Brandon instead of just saying Fuck Joe Biden.

@Music City posted:

In tge context of the quote, I guess I have to spell it. Great coaches develop talent and get top talent (I.e., better players). Sorry if I’m moving too fast for you…

You posted something that didn't make sense and it's everyone else's fault for not understanding your gibberish.  In the context of you, makes sense

Has JD improved since last year?

I’ll save MC the time he’ll say it had nothing to do with Gard…he just unlocked his talent by playing in the World Games and that Gard doesn’t get any credit for getting him to come to Wisconsin.

Just so that we have things in perspective, the last three years in which Gard was "in way over his head," the Badgers finished 4th, 1st, and 6th in the final Big Ten regular season standings.  As far as I can tell, only Michigan State had a higher average finishing position over those three years. 

@justanotherpackerfan posted:

I’ll save MC the time he’ll say it had nothing to do with Gard…he just unlocked his talent by playing in the World Games and that Gard doesn’t get any credit for getting him to come to Wisconsin.

I don’t think Gard made Davis better, no. If he did, what did he do? But Gard has always been a decent recruiter- he was Ryan’s primary recruiter. His issue has been development, which comes down to his coaching. You cannot have watched this team perform the last 4 years and said “hey, they’re really well coached”. Well, maybe you can, but I certainly can’t.

Gard has a chance to salvage his career and program, now. He seems to have opened up the offense, so their offense no longer consists of 15 passes around the perimeter and then a contested 3. Maybe Dmitrik Trice was the problem. Seems a bit of a stretch, but maybe.

Either way, I am certainly not ready to reverse my view that Gard is a shit Coach based on what we’re seeing now. Win the B1G, deep tourney run, then run that back? Sure, then I’ll reverse.

The fuck you would. Even if Gard won the B1G regular season and the B1G tournament and the NCAA you would still say he has to do it again before I give him any props.  We all see your posts in the Bucks Forum to understand how you react.

His biggest problem in the past couple of years was that he had post guys who did not like , and avoided contact ... skilled players, but not guys you can over achieve with. Personal problems that you can't fix happen...look at UNC this year.

@FLPACKER posted:

His biggest problem in the past couple of years was that he had post guys who did not like , and avoided contact ... skilled players, but not guys you can over achieve with. Personal problems that you can't fix happen...look at UNC this year.

Nate Reuvers.

@FLPACKER posted:

His biggest problem in the past couple of years was that he had post guys who did not like , and avoided contact ... skilled players, but not guys you can over achieve with. Personal problems that you can't fix happen...look at UNC this year.

While you’re not wrong about the recent seasons, Happ was All America.

The Badgers were 10-10 in the B1G last year. That’s shit, especially with a boatload of seniors and a conference with only one actually good team (only Michigan made it past the opening weekend).  There’s a higher standard for this program.

@Goldie posted:

And they only move up one spot in the polls?????  Come on…..

“The AP Poll will never make sense to me. Somehow an ugly home win versus Illinois State was enough to convince voters that Wisconsin (10-2 overall, 1-1 Big Ten) should move up in the rankings. UW has won their last two games, both at home versus non-conference opponents (Nicholls State, Illinois State) by a combined seven points. Regardless, the Badgers moved up one spot to No. 23 in this week’s AP Poll.

Following Wisconsin’s massive upset over No. 3 Purdue in Mackey Arena on Monday night, where Wisconsin entered the game a staggering 5-40 all time, the Badgers are almost certainly going to jump into the top-15 in next week’s rankings if they can take care of Iowa as well. For this week, here’s how things stand:

• AP Poll: No. 23
• NET: No. 33
• KenPom: No. 39
• T-Rank: No. 46”

Goldie should be happy knowing the Badgers jumped 10 spots to 13 in the AP Poll and 10 spots to 13 in the Coaches poll.

F'um BUCKY!!!!!!!!!!

Last night although they lost a big lead and fell a bit behind was a great win.  They do need to get a bit more balanced, Wahl was great, no reason he can’t to that more often.

Hopefully Wahl figured out some stuff last night. I think they sometimes get away from making plays themselves because of a guy like Davis.