Carlos Gomez not traded to Mets, Astros get him and Fiers. Parra to the Obirds. Broxton to the Cards.

Ok... Trades fine, farm stocked, losing again. That's what this year needs to be about.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7JoUNefflwE

Trading parra for what he got was a bad trade. I would've held onto him and waited thru August. If he wasn't dealt I would've tendered him. Davies is going to blow off the mound. I thought Doug was into big guys?😒

Yes.  Small pitchers are not very valuable, and they often are blown off the mound by a sudden gust of wind.  

 

See below.

 

Orioles farm ranking went from 28 to 30 after the trade, so he must have had some value.  

Yes because this guy throws as hard as Pedro.

"Davies is going to blow off the mound."  That is a statement of his size/weight, not his ability to throw the ball at speeds you deem insufficient. 

 

Also. Who said Daview threw as hard as Pedro?  Because that person would be very wrong and very crazy. Few people have ever been able to throw as hard as HOF pitcher Pedro Martinez. 

Trying to justify another lousy trade by dougie. The guy is viewed at best a 4-5 starter. The guy is tiny and is said to not even weigh 160 lbs. Do you usually do make a comparison with a player who is in the hall and another guy who would get carded in a pool hall that is 30 +  lbs heavier than stringbean? Might want to check actual facts before trying to post more baloney like the strike outs don't affect runs theory.

 

As usual, Melvin sold low as 95% of his trades. He would've been better off holding onto him through August and tendering him if a trade wouldn't have been made.

 

If he turns out to be another Ron Guidry I won't be too upset with the trade.

I thought I had read somewhere that Davies was ranked #4 in the Orioles system.  It's possible the O's system isn't that good but I am OK with them adding another solid pitching prospect.

He was ranked 6th in a bad minor league system. To me that's not even close to equal value.

 

Do you mean the asset was at its lowest value when he traded it, because it did not appear 95% of the trades this year were selling guys at their lowest value.  Aram probably, but two months ago would have been his true low point (though, I don't imagine anyone would have traded for him then).  The Parra trade was certainly not selling low, he probably will never be more valuable than his is right now.  Fiers was probably at his most valuable.  Gomez would have been more valuable this past summer, but I don't think ownership would have been on board.  

 

Or do you mean he undersold his guys?  The talent that came back was significantly lower than the talent he gave up.  I'm curious also how he sold a dollar for 50 cents 95% percent of the time.  

 

Just to help you out, here is the history of Melvin trades.  

 

I can tell you there are trades I did not like philosophically, but I don't think the value exchanged was out of line (for Broxton, for Parra, for Linebrink).  The really bad trade would be Carlos Lee, but you knew that.  There is a difference between getting a poor return and making a bad decision.  

 

I'll even help you out more, here the Disciples of Uecker break down what they feel are the worst moves by Melvin.  Surely if he has failed at nearly every trade, trades will show up like mad.  This would also identify if the return was uneven or Melvin sold his guys at their lowest value, I'm still curious.  

 

Of course, if Parra had not been traded you would be just as mad.  If Parra came back down to earth the last couple months you'd be upset Melvin couldn't even pick up some sprite in a deadline deal.  I understand the potential in the qualifying offer for Parra, but I'm also capable of looking at the risk (he might take the QA, draft picks are risky business, etc.)  

 

Perhaps you could look at the past deadline in context?  Here is an article grading out the prospects received.    I will tell you, the team that I see that really got hosed was the Cardinals, paying a second tier prospect for a truly ****ty player (I'm sure Moss will completely find his stroke again as a Card though).  That would be spending a buck fitty on 25 cents IMHO.  

 

And lastly, I have not found a single picture of Davies with a pencil thin mustache, so the comparison to Pedro really has no merit at all.  

 

 

 

 

I justified nothing.  Perhaps English isn't your first language?  Dropped on head as a child?  Repeatedly?  Intentionally?  

 

Either way, I said nothing about the quality of the trade.  I simply responded to your belief that small/light pitchers "will blow off the mound" by pointing to a shorter and virtually same weight pitcher that has been in the news of late, not comparing Davies performance or production to him, but simply his stature.  

 

I know that reading must be hard, reading it through a spittle and cheetos covered monitor, but I didn't comment whatsoever on the quality of the trade.  

 

Until now.  I think it was a good trade.  Parra wasn't gonna re-up, so getting a potential 4-5 starter (YOUR WORDS) for him is pretty freaking solid.  In fact, if Davies actually becomes a legit 4-5 starter, then the trade is incredible for a borderline starting OF that is riding the absolute apex of his career.

 

He's listed as 6'0" and 160.  Pedro Martinez is 5'11" and 170.  Again, if you think he's not a great pitcher, that's fine, make a case other than blathering like an imp.  Implying that pitchers are not good solely because their height and or weight simply highlights your massive ignorance.  

 

Tim Lincecum also says hi.

 

When we are discussing the weight/height of players (back to your issues with comprehending written English - we are not comparing the performance and production of the players) and the two players in question are almost identical in height and weight, yes, yes I do.  

 

Facts like Davies is 6'0" and 160 and Pedro was 5'11" and 170? You mean, facts like that?  

 

And, I love that you are still butthurt because I showcased your ignorance over and over and over again, with data that proved you wrong, and you couldn't produce anything resembling a coherent argument.  That's like 2+ years that butthurt has been lingering.  Damn.  

 

You know what would be funny?  You asking if I have a data set of 52 years.  Because nothing is funnier than a person with no data and being completely wrong (that would be you, again, trying to help with your remedial reading) thinking it's hilarious to mock the other person having mounds of data to support their argument. 

 

Parra has career highs in his slash line (again, for ignorant people such as yourself, that's BA/OBP/SLG/OPS), significantly above where he's ever been.  By almost .200 in OPS.  Never has shown anything near this offensive production.  

 

But, to TD, that's "selling low".  

 

TD EVERYONE!

When you look at most of Melvins trades I would have to say they either came out about equal or the Brewers came out ahead.   He got fleeced on the Carlos Lee trade but I'm not sure anyone could have predicted that Nelson Cruz would turn out the player that he became.

Where I think most people have gripes with Melvin is with some of the FA moves or player extensions like Suppan and Bill Hall.   In addition, some of their draft selections - especially pitching- have flat out sucked.

Not sure all the blame can be directed at Melvin but the greatest shortcoming of the Melvin regime is the ability- or inability- to draft and develop good pitchers.  They have had a few like Gallardo but for as many draft selections and player acquisitions they should have been able to show a lot more for their efforts.

Yet over half of the wins this year come from homegrown guys.  The organizational emphasis on pitching is somewhat paying off, even if producing and ace hasn't happened yet.  

 

I didn't like the Loshe pick because I didn't think it would put us over the top and it cost a pick.  Up until this year, Kyle has lived up to his contract though.

 

Didn't mind the Garza trade, but also not super excited.  Still holding out hope he can bring something to the table next year for a deadline move.

 

Suppan is as bad a move as a GM can make.  But he did have a great dinner with Mark A.  

 

Lets not forget the club offered Casey McGahee an extension as well.  Sometimes bullets get dodged.  

 

Gagne.  

More of the same puke from CA. Again, you are a complete asshat. You like try and put people down because you have no life besides sitting there and Internet bullying people.

Melvin has done a rotten job for 13 years now not developing and producing talent while signing bums  like randy Wolfe, Bradon looper, Darren turnblow, Jason Kendall, mike kkkkkameron, blohse, garza, suppan, etc. I called then and nothing has changed.

I love how you can manipulate everyone's posts yet prove what an absolute duechebag you truly are. Have fun rooting for a crapgole franchise with an owner that's worried about booking bands and free schwag to get fans in the park to watch mediocre to losing baseball.

good "riddens".

I guess we just  ignore that I didn't comment on your ignorance blatantly until you claimed I posted baloney?   You're quite the delicate snowflake aren't you?

 

Anyway, if pointing out the ignorant and factually incorrect statements you repeatedly made, with facts and alternative viewpoints makes me a douchebag, well then slap my ass and call me Massengill!

Mike Cameron was great in Milwaukee.  A 3 WAR player for us.  Clearly his K rate makes him suck balls, but his actual production as a baseball player was pretty good.  

 

The 3 year extension for Turnbow did cripple the franchise.  Just imagine all the other things they could have done with that 6.5 million dollars.  

 

I always hated Jason Kendall because he simply did not produce as a major league catcher, but the guy never struck out.  Surprised TD wasn't a huge fan.  

 

Lastly, please stop omitting Gagne from your incoherent rants.  

Gotta chime in on one thing.

 

A lot of things need to be qualified in a demographics (read: statistics of populations) kind of way.  That said, sure, anyone can refer to Pedro Martinez and Ron Guidry.

 

Sometimes pitchers of small stature actually perform real well.  It happens.  But, c'mon.

No way TD can read that post and understand what you said

They have one now in Tyler Thornburg.  When I saw that guy pitch single A (Appleton) I thought there is no way a guy that size can throw.  And then he started dialing it up to 95 and was virtually unhittable.  His career with the big league club has been up and down but he's maybe 5'11" and 180.   Before his injury last year he was one of their best pitchers period.

Not to go Johnny Z but talent is talent.  There are plenty of ball players that look like Tarzan and play like Jane.

And some that look like Jane and play like Tarzan!

'Bout time we had a good 'ol donnybrook on here! Been awhile...

Ultimately, I think it was a safer bet to trade Parra now.  His absence helps drive the tank and the risk lies in 6+years of controllable pitching.  Trading established vets for guys in the minors is always a risk, if the kid can pitch, the trade is a big win.  

 

And since strawmen are all the rage right now, did Milwaukee ever have a guy who "looked" like a pitcher more than Glendon Rusch?

a typical responses from the gallery. Mel - ka - bong, don't you and CA get tired of going all Jenner on each other. It just amazes me that you two like TT but support Melvin who is not even close to TT and his philosophy.

I remember how right I was about the Greinke to the california angels for garbage and I'll be right about some at best 5th starting RH Randy Karl. Keep hoping the Brewers improve because they won't until jerry jones attanasio allows a gm to focus on build thru the draft and trade instead of shiny FA hacks and poor drafting.

Dance moves.

I agree, Melvin would make a horrible GM in Green Bay.  

What does "Going all Jenner" on each other really mean?  

 

Like doing each others nails?

 

Is "going all Jenner" the next big thing in x4 lexicon?

Well,  CA is promising he'll be the next Pedro Martinez. Good trade. 

 

 

       
 

Yes, giving TD full credit of course

The #Brewers will put Kyle Lohse on waivers in hopes of someone claiming him. He has been taken out of the rotation.

— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) August 7, 2015

I'd be absolutely shocked if someone claimed him.  

No one will claim him, but someone might trade for him after he clears waivers

no melvin now? Who will sign guys like Kam Loe.

the LOLs must be nonstop in the TD household