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Chart on starters on IR for each team and total games missed

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Team	Made Playoffs	Games	16g	IR	Key injury	games
1. San Fran	Yes	8	17	1	WR Mario Manningham	4
2. Seattle	Yes	11	13	0	G James Carpenter	5
3. New Orleans		20	11	1	LB Jonathan Vilma	4
4. Chicago		23	7	2	G Chilo Rachal	6
5. Miami		23	16	3	CB Richard Marshall	12
6. Houston	Yes	24	11	1	LB Brian Cushing	11
7. Minnesota	Yes	24	12	1	WR Percy Harvin	7
8. St. Louis		24	10	1	C Scott Wells	9
9. New England	Yes	27	7	0	G Logan Mankins	6
10. Atlanta	Yes	33	10	2	CB Brent Grimes	15
11. NY Giants		38	9	1	S Kenny Phillips	9
12. San Diego		42	9	6	OT Jared Gaither	12
13. Baltimore	Yes	46	8	2	LB Ray Lewis	10
14. NY Jets		47	9	3	CB Darrelle Revis	14
15. Oakland		47	8	1	CB Shawntee Spencer	14
16. Tampa Bay		48	12	4	G Davin Joseph	16
17. Arizona		49	7	3	OT Levi Brown	16
18. Cleveland		49	8	4	LB Chris Gocong	16
19. Tennessee		51	7	5	C Eugene Amano	16
20. Denver	Yes	52	9	4	DT Ty Warren	15
21. Pittsburgh		52	8	5	S Troy Polamalu	9
22. Buffalo		55	10	5	WR David Nelson	15
23. Cincinnati	Yes	56	10	3	LB Thomas Howard	15
24. Kansas City		56	5	4	C Rodney Hudson	13
25. Philadelph		63	6	6	OT Jason Peters	16
26. Carolina		65	6	6	CB Chris Gamble	12
27. Indianapolis	Yes	66	5	2	G Seth Olsen	11
28. Detroit		69	10	6	HB Jahvid Best	16
29. Jax'ville		69	7	6	G Will Rackley	16
30. Cowboys		71	8	5	S Barry Church	13
31. Washington	Yes	75	13	4	OT Jammal Brown	16
32. Green Bay	Yes	83	8	4	LB Desmond Bishop       16


Notice Number 1 and 32.
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Agree that the Bishop injury was probably the biggest. Brad Jones has done an adequate job in his place, but he's not Bishop.

Maybe Bulaga was playing better than I perceived, but I got the feeling he never was playing as well this year as he had in his first 2 before he went down. Barclay has possibly been a better run blocker than Bulaga, but that may just be perception more than reality. You'd rather have Bulaga in there, but Barclay has been decent if not solid.

Cedric Benson was looking pretty good before he got hurt. That said, he wasn't playing THAT much better than the current crop that has replaced him. Harris seems to give the Packers a RB with acceleration that they haven't had. Even Benson was a little slow to the hole at times. It's too bad we won't see a combo of Benson/Harris as that would be an interesting contrast of styles for teams to deal with.

Nick Perry looked like he had quite a bit to learn about being an OLB, but he had some physical gifts that made him at worst a nice rotation player in the LB corps. He wasn't ready for full-time 3 down duty as certain teams could exploit his inexperience, but there are times when a guy with his physical skills has been missed.
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When I saw the Packers lost 83 games this year due to injuries I thought for certain that was the exact same number as 2010. Ran a quick search and found it.

There was something similar to this posted about half way through the season this year that said if nothing else changed the Packers would end up somewhere in the mid 60's for games lost. As we all know, plenty changed.
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You'd think Bishop is the biggest, but is Bishop/Hawk really significantly better than Jones/Hawk? Now the case can be made that Bishop/Jones is a better duo but without the Bishop injury, I doubt we see Jones play this much (and this well) and thus we probably would never see Bishop/Jones. And for what it's worth, Jones made Pro Football Focus' All-NFC North Team at ILB. IMO, PFF provides the most in-depth, unbiased analysis, so Jones being so highly rated means quite a bit to me.

I think the biggest injuries are Bulaga and Perry. Bulaga is significantly better than Barclay and while Bulaga started off the season pretty poorly (ie: the Seattle game), he played well before his injury. Barclay can handle the bigger DE's in pass protection but he has serious problems with the faster, athletic ones (can't even imagine him against Von Miller....). And Perry was a key part of the rotation at LOLB and was improving pretty steadily. It's clear that Moses and Walden can't handle it, but having Perry rotate made those other two look much better.

Other than that, not sure the other injuries are that significant. Benson would be nice, but I don't see him changing the outcome of any games this year. Sherrod has also proved to be a difficult injury, but hard to say the impact since we have no clue if he's really better than Newhouse. Worthy may also prove to be a costly injury, but we'll have to wait and see. And Jones has played much better than DJ Smith.
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It seems like MM defers to Dr McKenzie on when players are cleared to play. Woodson's a good example. I think MM wanted to get Charles some game time ahead of the playoffs. He had him running plays with the scout team and doing drills for weeks but McKenzie wouldn't clear him until the playoffs.

Compare that to Shanahan who probably called Robert Griffin this week and told him he still expects him to start in CF at his charity softball game next month.
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TT deserves enormous credit for the depth to weather the 2010 and 2012 injuries. Imagine what might happen if the law of averages evens out and we get a "low" injury year.

Even though the absolute numbers won't back it up in terms of numbers of games missed, the injury that had the biggest impact in any season was 2011. Nick Collins getting hurt was the single biggest injury of any the last three years. With the exception of Rodgers and Matthews, he was the player they could least afford to lose. I don't think he was appreciated enough until he was no longer available.
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Originally posted by Iowacheese:
Draft and develop = depth = Dream from heaven

Quite Frankly....as long as #12 is healthy we have a shot at the title.


Didn't we used to say the same thing about #4?

Was watching 1st Take this morning and one of the fools said the 49er receiving corp was better than GB's. His rationale was AR was so good he makes the receivers look better than they actually are.
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Totally off point, but in line with First Take and the great Skip Bayless.

Skip took to twitter to call out Brian Westbrook, basically that he's not a PG and that he, Skip Bayless, would know as he was a High School wizard on the hardwood.

Turns out some folks decided to do a little digging.

Skip is perfect for First Take. Just a bunch of random garbage thrown out to incite debate.

The video clip of Jalen Rose asking him is he really only averaged 1.4 points per game as a senior is fantastic.
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FreeSafetyFreeSafetyI wonder what the poor people are doing?
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Originally posted by CUPackFan:
You'd think Bishop is the biggest, but is Bishop/Hawk really significantly better than Jones/Hawk? Now the case can be made that Bishop/Jones is a better duo but without the Bishop injury, I doubt we see Jones play this much (and this well) and thus we probably would never see Bishop/Jones. And for what it's worth, Jones made Pro Football Focus' All-NFC North Team at ILB. IMO, PFF provides the most in-depth, unbiased analysis, so Jones being so highly rated means quite a bit to me.


Jones has been surprisingly solid.

But Bishop is a playmaker. Forces fumbles, more tackles behind the LOS. Stuff like that.
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If we had Bishop on the field, I'd say the Niners have no shot.

That's how big of a loss Bishop is.

But wow, I had no idea they were dead last (or first?) in most injuries with Niners at the complete other end of the spectrum.

Notice where Seattle is too. Also the Redskins. Very interesting.

Executive of the decade. TT is Ridiculous!
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Originally posted by Pakrz:
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Originally posted by Iowacheese:
Draft and develop = depth = Dream from heaven

Quite Frankly....as long as #12 is healthy we have a shot at the title.


Didn't we used to say the same thing about #4?

Was watching 1st Take this morning and one of the fools said the 49er receiving corp was better than GB's. His rationale was AR was so good he makes the receivers look better than they actually are.


??? Meaning Kaepernick is actually a worse passer than apparent? Capers should target the receivers?
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Originally posted by FreeSafety:
Jones has been surprisingly solid.

But Bishop is a playmaker. Forces fumbles, more tackles behind the LOS. Stuff like that.


I agree. ILB will be a very interesting position to watch in the offseason. Hawk's 2013 cap number is around 7.5 million. DJ Smith, Terrell Manning, and Jamari Lattimore combined only make about 1.6 million. Brad Jones is a UFA and even if the Packers re-signed him, which I expect, I can't imagine the total for all 4 players would exceed 3 million. And DJ Smith and Jones have shown to be capable players when in the line-up. I'm not saying Smith and Jones are great ILBs, but we've gotten solid production from both players at about the quarter of the price of Hawk.
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Well that ist a ridiculous stat to track in the first placeâ€Ķ

 

This site is telling me that the kyle Williams, Kendal hunter injuries didn’t mean much to my teamâ€Ķ bull****

 

They may not have been “starters” but you know as well as I how much they contributed to the niners success.

 

Vernon didn’t “miss” the game, but he only played 5 plays before he was removedâ€Ķ doesn’t count apparently.

 

Also Justin smiths backup, is also on IR (dobbs), so the fact he was not there should “count” as a starter missing time that he should’ve been starting when Justin was out.

 

Not to mention that Parys Harralson was the starter last year at olb, but was placed on IR before the season started, forcing aldon into the full starting role (which bring up my second pointâ€Ķ)

 

My second point is, sometimes the backup comes in and is better that the starter, so now you get better performance AND a stat of “games played without starters”

 

If your gonna track injuries track them all, or at least for “contributors”, because there is so much rotation in today’s game there are no more “starters” IMO, exception given for QB, RB and OL (for instance Moss has “started” several games for the niners this year, but only was in for 20% of offensive snapsâ€Ķ does that scream “starter” to you?).

 

Im not saying we would have more than any other team, im just saying weve had our share, and they aren’t reflected by this contrived statline.

ETA:

extrapolated some dataâ€Ķ

GB starter Benson – average brought out to 16 games:
793 yds and 3 Td’s
310 rec yds 0 td’s

My non starter RB who “doesn’t count” Hunter brought to 16 games.
549 yds and 3 td’s
90 yds rec
0 TD’s

So the extra 250 yds rushing and 200 yds rec with the same amount of TD’s makes him so much more relevant than hunter huh?

I don’t buy it
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Originally posted by Montana>Favre:
Well that ist a ridiculous stat to track in the first placeâ€Ķ

 

This site is telling me that the kyle Williams, Kendal hunter injuries didn’t mean much to my teamâ€Ķ bull****

 

They may not have been “starters” but you know as well as I how much they contributed to the niners success.

 

Vernon didn’t “miss” the game, but he only played 5 plays before he was removedâ€Ķ doesn’t count apparently.

 

Also Justin smiths backup, is also on IR (dobbs), so the fact he was not there should “count” as a starter missing time that he should’ve been starting when Justin was out.

 

Not to mention that Parys Harralson was the starter last year at olb, but was placed on IR before the season started, forcing aldon into the full starting role (which bring up my second pointâ€Ķ)

 

My second point is, sometimes the backup comes in and is better that the starter, so now you get better performance AND a stat of “games played without starters”

 

If your gonna track injuries track them all, or at least for “contributors”, because there is so much rotation in today’s game there are no more “starters” IMO, exception given for QB, RB and OL (for instance Moss has “started” several games for the niners this year, but only was in for 20% of offensive snapsâ€Ķ does that scream “starter” to you?).

 

Im not saying we would have more than any other team, im just saying weve had our share, and they aren’t reflected by this contrived statline.

ETA:

extrapolated some dataâ€Ķ

GB starter Benson – average brought out to 16 games:
793 yds and 3 Td’s
310 rec yds 0 td’s

My non starter RB who “doesn’t count” Hunter brought to 16 games.
549 yds and 3 td’s
90 yds rec
0 TD’s

So the extra 250 yds rushing and 200 yds rec with the same amount of TD’s makes him so much more relevant than hunter huh?

I don’t buy it


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