CHFF states AR fails in 4th qtr

Show them the game-ending fourth quarter drive versus the Giants last December. Couldn't be executed more perfectly.

I guess the folks at CHFF don't watch the Super Bowl.

I think this is the same guy who said Rodgers was a "front runner" QB last season or whatever.

Just checked and yep, this is the same guy. HE's a Steelers fan who is still butthurt over the loss in SB XLV

I was going to ask whether this was a new article or not, since I remembered the CHFF crap last season about Aaron never coming from behind in the 4th (probably because he sucked su much that the Packers had insurmountable leads in the 4th). At least I know this is a new pile of crap I can't be bothered to read.

A QB couldn't play better in the 4th quarter than Rodgers played against Arizona and Pittsburgh in the postseason.

and Vince Lombardi was a horrible coach.
move along folks, nothing to see here...

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A QB couldn't play better in the 4th quarter than Rodgers played against Arizona

How did Rodgers play in OT?

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Originally posted by Fedya:

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A QB couldn't play better in the 4th quarter than Rodgers played against Arizona

How did Rodgers play in OT?

You mean when he fumbled after getting hit by a blitzing safety? Yeah, he was terrible in OT.

Not to mention the facemask that was never called even tho the ref was looking right at it.

AR's probably being penalized for the regular season game in Atlanta a couple of years ago when he threw a dart to Nelson only to see the defense/special teams give it away.

A meaningless statistical analysis and you really need to look at the situation in each game to make any sort of accurate judgment.

What a joke

--Brought them back in Arizona playoff game
--Brought them to a stunning win on the road against the Giants
--Led a career-defining drive in the Super Bowl to virtually clinch the championship.

Suck it, Steeler fan.

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Originally posted by ammo:
Not to mention the facemask that was never called even tho the ref was looking right at it.

God I hate seeing that slo-mo replay of the fumble. Dude has a full grip on Rodgers facemask throughout the process. Very obvious and easy call to make, but it went unnoticed somehow

To be perfectly honest, I was a bit worried about Rodgers's ability to come back late in games after the 2008 season (even if I wouldn't have admitted it at the time). However, since he won the first game of 2009 against the Bears with just over a minute to go by slinging a 50 yd TD to Jennings, and I haven't even thought about it (unless I see a moronic article like this one). The guy is just ridiculously talented, he can beat any team, any time, in any scenario, to say anything else is just moronic.

the 3rd and 10 pass to Jennings in the 4th quarter of the SB is enough to refute that claim, i think.

First off, I'm going to say this - the "4th quarter comeback" is the most overblown, overrated, and abused stat in the NFL. Denver is losing 17-16 and end the 3rd quarter 1st and goal from the Raiders 1 yard line.

First play of the 4th quarter, Elway hands the ball off to Terrell Davis, TD! Game ends 23-17 Broncos. Elway is handed a "4th quarter comeback". Whatever.

I respect CHFF as much as any group of writers. Generally, I think they dig through the typical fan speak and get to real solid analysis and data.

While much of the data in this article is accurate, I think he tapdances and ignores much of the story. Again, I think it stems from the fact that "4th quarter comebacks" are overblown garbage. But, let's look at this a bit deeper here.

2008
Game 2 - Det takes leads 25-24 in 4Q. Packers end up winning 48-25.
"4th quarter comeback"

Game 4 - TB. After TB takes lead 23-21 with 2:26 left, Rodgers throws an INT leading to TD. Granted AR came back into the game after hurting his shoulder.
Yeah, you can argue here he didn't come through.

Game 5 - ATL. AR leads a 4Q TD to tie the game at 17. (but remember he's irrelevant in the 4Q...) ATL starts immediate drive in GB territory and kicks FG to take lead 20-17 with 7:19 left. AR throws INT on ensuing drive deep in own territory, ATL scores immedately to go up 27-17. Garbage TD late.
Yeah, you can argue here he didn't come through.

Game 8 - TEN. AR leads a 4q tying FG vs undefeated Titans. (but remember he's irrelevant in the 4Q...) He got the ball back once again and didn't score. Also never touched the ball in OT
Arguing he didn't come through here is asinine.

Game 9 - MIN. After MIN goes up 28-27 with 2:22 left, AR leads team to FG range in a dome for the GW FG that Crosby just flat out misses.
Arguing he didn't come through here is asinine.

Game 12 - CAR. Leads the team on a TD drive to take the lead 28-21 with 13:43 left. ST and D immediately give up the lead. AR AGAIN leads the team on a go ahead FG 31-28 with 1:57 left. 1 45 yard KO return and 2 plays later, the ST and D piss away the lead. AR gets the ball back with 1:30 and ends up throwing a INT.
Arguing he didn't come through here, because it was only 2 comebacks not 3, is asinine.

Game 13 - HOU. Leads team to score early in 4Q and take a 14-13 lead. D immediately gives the lead back and HOU goes up 21-14. AR immediately leads to a game tying TD. 21-21. After pinning HOU on their own 3 yard line, D allows Hou to drive the length of the field and win on a FG.
Arguing he didn't come through here is asinine.

Game 14 - JAX. After JAX ties the game in 4Q, AR leads a FG drive to go up 16-14 with 5:35 left. D gives up a TD in 6 plays, JAX leads 20-16. AR gets ball back with 1:56 and ends up throwing a INT.
Yeah, you can argue here he didn't come through.

Game 16 - CHI. Chicago ties the game with 3:11 left. AR leads team to FG position and kick he GW FG. Crosby gets it blocked. AR never touches the ball in OT.
Arguing he didn't come through here is asinine.

2009
Game 1 - CHI. Led a GW TD drive with 1:06 left.
"4th quarter comeback"

Game 2 - CIN. Got the ball back with 0:45 down 7, no TO and didn't score.
Arguing he didn't come through here is asinine.

Game 8 - TB. Got the ball twice down 3 in 4Q. One drive that didn't do anything, and an INT returned for TD.
Yeah, you can argue here he didn't come through.

Game 13 - CHI. Led GW TD drive with 12:39 left in 4Q.
"4th quarter comeback"

Game 14 - PIT. Led TD drive to pull within 3. Next Drive led TD drive to take lead 28-27. Next Drive led TD drive to take lead 36-30. Defense loses game on last play of game.
Arguing he didn't come through here is asinine.

Game 17 - AZ. Led TD drive to pull within 7. Next Drive led TD drive to tie the game. Next Drive led TD drive to tie game. Missed Facemask in OT led to fumble and TD.
Arguing he didn't come through here is BEYOND asinine.

2010
Game 3 - CHI. Led TD drive to take lead 17-14. After Chicago ties game, Jones fumbles at midfield, Chicago wins on last second FG.
Arguing he didn't come through here is asinine.

Game 5 - WAS. After WAS ties it up, AR leads team to FG position. Crosby doinks the upright. AR INT in OT leads to WAS FG.
Yeah, you can argue here he didn't come through. You know, if you want to ignore that once again the QB did his job and the FG didn't as time expired.

Game 6 - MIA. AR leads to tying TD with 0:11 left and force OT. AR goes 3 and out in his one drive in OT.
Arguing he didn't come through here is BEYOND asinine.

Game 7 - MIN. AR leads 2 TDs in 4Q after trailing.
"4th quarter comeback"

Game 11 - ATL. AR leads tying TD with 0:56 left and on 4th down. ST and D immediately piss the game away.
Arguing he didn't come through here is BEYOND asinine.

Game 16 - CHI. With the freaking playoffs on the line, AR leads go ahead TD drive in 4Q.
"4th quarter comeback"

2011
Game 14 - KC. Ugh. All around.
Yeah, you can argue here he didn't come through.

I see 5 games over his career where you can legitimately bitch about AR in the 4th. But again, WAY more instances of him doing the job and the D/ST pissing it away.

Additionally, why is scoring and putting the game away not viewed as "relevant"? Leading the team to a 2 score lead in the 4th is pretty freaking important I think. But, since it doesn't count as "comeback", we discount it? Bollocks. Why is leading the team to a situation where a 4Q isn't even required discounted? Because it doesn't sound "clutch"? BS.

Is AR perfect? No. Has he pooped the bed in the 4th? Sure a few times. But, not consistently, and not anything I think deserves the crap that article tried to portray.

When you win 19 games in a row, and among them is a Super Bowl title, I'd have to call those "comeback" stats completely irrelevant to his level of play.

28 years old. Currrent MVP. Best QB in football. Consensus best player in the NFL. Scary thought is he could actually get better.

The article is looking for pinhole rust spots on a Ferari frame.

No possible way I would want another QB on the Packers. We have the best in the game today. Period.

As always great work CAP95

Aaron Rodgers is a terrible defender!!

In CHFF defense they did say in the article that althuo Rodgers is 3-18 by CHFF definition of 4th quarter comebacks, 10 of those losses can not be blamed of Rodgers. Then they lost me with this little nugget at the end of the article

They did go 15-1 last year (expected: 11.9 wins), but that was more due to the defense shutting teams down late rather than the offense making critical scoring drives when they had to.

Bust.

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Originally posted by CAPackfan:

Just checked and yep, this is the same guy. HE's a Steelers fan who is still butthurt over the loss in SB XLV

8 super bowls with a 6-2 record. He needs to get over it. Packers were the better team by far that day. Game wouldn't have been close if Woodson & Driver don't get injured.

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Originally posted by TimthePackerFan:
Aaron Rodgers is a terrible defender!!

Oh, I dunno. He looked pretty good here on a fairly important play:

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8 super bowls with a 6-2 record. He needs to get over it. Packers were the better team by far that day. Game wouldn't have been close if Woodson & Driver don't get injured.

Before Woodson and Shields went down, the Steelers pass offense was horrific.

Had they not gone down, I think it would have been a blowout.

The drops played just as big a part in keeping the SB close as the injuries did. They hang onto just a few more balls and they coast to victory.

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They did go 15-1 last year (expected: 11.9), but that was more due to the defense shutting teams down late rather than the offense making critical scoring drives when they had to.

Signed, a still butt sore Steelers fan

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Originally posted by michiganjoe:
The drops played just as big a part in keeping the SB close as the injuries did. They hang onto just a few more balls and they coast to victory.

If Charles Woodson and Sam Shields don't go out at the end of the first half, the game is a blowout. It was 21-3 at that point, and Roethlisberger was doing nothing good. I just watched a replay of the game, and the "Roethlisberger gets the Steelers back in the game" is laughable. Of course he did, after half of our starting secondary went out.

Mark my words, if we don't lose those two, the game isn't even close.

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Originally posted by PackerBackerDPM:
As always great work CAP95

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Originally posted by Slobknocker:
In CHFF defense they did say in the article that althuo Rodgers is 3-18 by CHFF definition of 4th quarter comebacks, 10 of those losses can not be blamed of Rodgers. Then they lost me with this little nugget at the end of the article

They did go 15-1 last year (expected: 11.9 wins), but that was more due to the defense shutting teams down late rather than the offense making critical scoring drives when they had to.

Or maybe it should have been written "due in-part to the defense getting their first stop of the game after the offense put up 27+".

Seriously, someone needs to explain this to me.

Why is a "comeback" viewed as the definition of "clutch", yet putting a game away and out of reach in the 4th is barely acknowledged.

Just looking last year.

NO - Leads a 4Q TD drive to go up 2 scores.
CAR - After CAR scores in the 4th to cut it to 7, TD drive with 2:15 to ice the game.
CHI - TD drive that turns a 10 pt lead to 17 in the 4Q
ATL - TD drive in 4Q turns a 1 pt lead to an 8 pt lead.
SD - 2 TD drives in 4Q turning a 7 pt lead to 21 pt lead.
TB - 2 TD drives in 4Q turning 2 pt leads to 9 pt leads.
NYG - TD drive turns 1 pt lead to 8 pt lead. FG drive turns tie game to win

7 games where AR and the offense put the game out of reach. How any of these are viewed less "clutch" than a comeback win which consists of a TD with 13:00 to go in the 4th is beyond me.

More on this hot topic, widening the look to include the whole team:

http://www.coldhardfootballfac...een_Bay_Packers.html

I don't think we win enough first quarters for my taste either.

If we didn't have injuries, they'd be bitching about us running up the score.

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Originally posted by Slobknocker:
In CHFF defense they did say in the article that althuo Rodgers is 3-18 by CHFF definition of 4th quarter comebacks, 10 of those losses can not be blamed of Rodgers. Then they lost me with this little nugget at the end of the article

They did go 15-1 last year (expected: 11.9 wins), but that was more due to the defense shutting teams down late rather than the offense making critical scoring drives when they had to.

Uh, WTF did they expect with us leading every game to start the fourth? There weren't really any critical scoring drives to be made.

TD drives in the first half are less critical than TD drives in the second half. Kind of how strikeouts are worse than fly outs, or something like that.

Before I even opened the link, I predicted that the article was by Scott Kacsmar. While Kacsmar will occasionally present an interesting analysis, for the most part, the guy is a complete joke. Big Steelers homer. He also posts on KFFL under the handle, "StillSwinging," and he has taken a beating over there.

Kacsmar's main problem it that he frequently starts with his goal/conclusion, and assembles data to support his point. His two main goals are to discredit Rodgers and Brady. Meanwhile, he goes to great lengths to praise and excuse Big Ben and Manning.

In short, we can disregard his crap.

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Mark my words, if we don't lose those two, the game isn't even close.

Pretty much

Big Ben was dreadful until the injuries started piling up. His QB rating was 100+ once Jarrett Bush started seeing significant time because C-Wood and Shields were dinged.

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Originally posted by barrister:
Before I even opened the link, I predicted that the article was by Scott Kacsmar. While Kacsmar will occasionally present an interesting analysis, for the most part, the guy is a complete joke. Big Steelers homer. He also posts on KFFL under the handle, "StillSwinging," and he has taken a beating over there.

On Twitter he is @CaptainComeback, seems he has an