Cowboys Lee tears ACL?

Ouch.

Multiple acl tears suck. Always liked his motor.

Lee is a good argument for Carl Bradford moving inside. Lee played OLB at Penn State. Moved inside immediately at Dallas and became a natural. Similar high motor guys. Lee has a long injury history and now that Bradford is a Packer, so will he!

ESPN reporting that apparently the NFLPA is looking into whether these were 11-11 contact drills which they claim violates OTA rules and want to pull video of the practice.

Packer's OTA's start tomorrow. Let's hope for a healthy off season.

Amazingly talented player, but the injuries.

This one looks like another NFLPA OTA no contact rules casualty. Lee ran out to cover a screen and new rook Zach Martin looks like he had his own interpretation of non contact. Looks like Lee got caught in between "pull up" and "holy **** this rookies going to bury me" and the knee just buckled. 

Video is here. 

The no contact OTA rules are a recipe for disaster. You've got vets going through motions and rookies like Zach Martin going full tilt. Can't have the coaches and vets think your half ass'ing it. 

DeMaurice had to have his token CBA win though. Dumbass. 

Man, you could see his teammates know it's bad right off the bat.

Damn, that sucks. It looks like his left knee buckles before contact though.

@BradBiggs

#Bears WR Domenik Hixon suffered a torn ACL at the OTA today, third of his career. He will miss the season.

@SeifertESPN

In 2013, at least 62 torn ACLs in #NFL. Lee would be first of '14.

Kind of looked like Lee wanted to avoid Martin going low, but at the same time he wanted to switch directions to follow the RB. Leg gets extended too far and backward and bam! ACL tears. Sucks.

NFL may have to start addressing ACLs along with concussions if it hopes to keep kids playing. 

They never shoulda drafted him.

Found these comments interesting from David J. Chao, MD  

@ProFootballDoc

Just saw the video of Sean Lee injury.

@ProFootballDoc

Cowboys, Zack Martin will face scrutiny over Sean Lee injury  > Looking at video, this was a non-contact injury.

@ProFootballDoc

OTA are non-contact practices. Most ACL tears are non-contact injuries. Sean Lee injury appears non-contact. L knee gives out before contact

Doctor Hungry 5 ?

I don't buy it.  I read non-contact to be absolutely no contact.  You can clearly see Martin push Lee down after his knee buckles.  Maybe the injury occurred before the actual contact, but hard to believe that Lee wasn't thinking something like "Oh ****, this 300+ lb rookie is going at me full speed trying to prove something and I'm only going at 80%.....".  That creates awkward movements and awkward movements tear ACLs.  Martin shoudl have just stood up once he got on Lee but he didn't and now the Boys best defender is out for the year.  Dumb rookie and even dumber coaching.  

My question to teams and coaches.......do they really think a little contact in a non-padded practice in May is going to help come August?  Is some contact really better than no contact?  Seems to me OTAs should be focused on the mental side of the game and conditioning, not actually playing football.  You either play football or you don't, you can't half-play (like these OTAs are trying to do).  

I'll go one step further and say doing fumble drills in pads, w/o pads, nekkid, or whatever is just as stupid. If grown-ass men playing in the NFL don't know how to fall on a football by now then they need to reassess their career choice. 

*COUGH*Tretter*COUGH*

Dallas needs to address defense in draft

Dallas drafts OL Martin in round 1. 

Martin involved in Lee injury.

Lee out for another season.

CJ Mosley drafted 1 spot after Martin. 

Contact or no contact... Jerry Jones is a moron. 

Daniels responded

@TJLang70 As long as you guys be easy on the double teams then I won't flip out too hard

More link Blind Melon Chitlin.

Martin was expecting Sean to still be standing, and when Lee fell, Martin's momentum wasn't stopped by the LB and he essentially fell on top of him.

Not sure how that makes him dumb

At the snap of the ball on a running play, if the DL all jumped backwards, the OL would fall on their faces because they are expecting to hit a standing human

Its just physics.

And while the mental part is important so is the muscle memory from running these plays at half speed. The new CBA already places ridiculous restrictions on hitting or wearing pads and the game suffers from it. Restricting it further isn't going to help the injury issue

Also, as noted in the posts Dr.Hungry 5 posted, ACLs are non-contact injuries. There was nothing about that contact that contributed to the injury, so eliminating all contact doesn't stop Sean Lee from tearing his ACL or missing the season. 

Its football.

Dudes are going to get hurt and we either accept that or become basebore fans.

Agree Lee's injury was non contact. But there was an unexpected-expectation of contact that caught him off guard. He got to the point of non contact, realized he had a rook bearing down on him hard, reacted accordingly. POP!

That's the danger of this non contact nonsense. You can't put 90 meatheads on a field and expect them all to operate on the same wavelength. Let em' practice or make 'em watch film. 

Isn't this the same guy who sat out multiple games last year to a neck injury?  

I wonder if that's in Capers' playbook? 

Satori, guess we just see the play differently.  I saw Martin playing at a more intense level than Lee.  And your point makes sense but IMO, there was no reason Martin should have had any momentum against Lee causing him to fall on top of him.  Why?  Because it's non-contact.  Non-contact means no contact.  

Indeed, and I'm just guessing based on a snippet of video

Its likely the new kid was being over-exuberant as you noted. I just come at it from the coaching POV and how little time these guys get with the best coaches on the planet.

Anything that limits the development of the youngsters seems counter-productive  so I am glad they have OTAs, mini-camps etc and I don't mind a little contact if it helps them learn their craft

he missed the Packer game on account of a bad back>

Thanks!  I thought it turned out to be more like a back, and neck, vertabrae issue. Some talk that he might not play again.  

"the best coaches on the planet"

Okay.

Jack-wads like Jer-ruh, Donald Trump, Danny Snyder, Alec Baldwin, Rush Limbaugh, et al are all cut from the same cloth: Insecure ego-maniacs who are clueless about the fact that they are clueless.

A man has to know his limitations.

Hateful.

3 minutes.

I can't decide if Jason Garrett sucks or is a coaching savant. He squeezes 8 wins out of the mish mash bag of **** Jerry hands him year after year. I do think he needs to grow a pair and tell Jerry he's sick of finishing 8-8 and demand a say in personnel. 

How Clinton Dix or Mosley didn't end up in Dallas is crazy. 

Screw it. Garrett sucks. 

Hey...it's not their fault...

Dunning-Kruger Effect

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D...2%80%93Kruger_effect

I think Garrett is a decent coach, but more importanly hes a Jerry Jones yes man.

A lot of replies have mentioned the limitations on padded practices, the frequency of them, and how it affects OTA's and mini-camp. IMHO, that's where the real fault lies.

Whatever the reasoning behind the players wanting to limit contact during practices, it has had a negative affect since it's implementation. It hasn't reduced injuries, conditioning doesn't appear to be improved, and the level of play is pretty sloppy for the first few weeks of the season.

Some of it stems from the CBA negotiations. DeMaurice Smith, NFLPA leader was getting his ass kicked by the owners and needed a win. So the owners agreed to let them "win" less time in pads, fewer two-a-day practices etc. The players weren't going to win much on the $$ side so DeMo got them other perks to save face among the members who elected him. Owners didn't care cause it didn't "cost" them anything

The cap didn't go up post CBA, rookie salaries have been stagnant and signing bonuses are exactly the same as they were 2 years ago for incoming rookies. NFLPA had to "borrow" against the performance pool just to show a modest increase in the NFL minimums since the CBA. The guys who got Performance bonuses in 2013 have to wait two years for the cash because the NFLPA screwed the pooch

But NFLPA won them some consolation prizes and the game suffers- just so DeMo didn't look as inept as he was in that negotiation.