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If only Doug were smart as some here and built an offense for for singles and ground ball outs.  Like the Phillies!

  • Home Runs are the best outcome in the game.  Maybe some of you aren't aware of this?  Are you new to the game?   Do we need to discuss that Touchdowns are a good thing in football as well?
  • Outs are bad.  All of them.  
  • The only outs that are "worse" are outs that lead two outs - like 5-4-3 double plays for example.

If you want to say "The Brewers offense has too many guys that can't get on base" you would sound like a relatively intelligent person.

 

If you want to say "The Brewers offense has too many guys that are not patient, don't take pitches, and by god they just don't take walks" you would sound like a reasonably intelligent person.

 

If you say ""The Brewers offense has too many guys that make outs instead of getting on base" you would sound like a reasonably intelligent person.

 

If you say "The Brewers offense strikes out too much instead of other productive outs" you would sound like a person that doesn't understand anything other than thinking back to your little league days when grounding to second base and PUTTING THE BALL IN PLAY would lead to many good things because the opposing 2B was picking his nose instead of playing, and besides your coach in 1981 made you feel bad when you struck out.  JUST LIKE IN MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL!

 

For the millionth time if strikeouts were "worse" there would be a correlation to things like team runs scored, individual OPS, etc.

 

Here's a look at the top 10  guys that strike out the most and strike out the least.  

The average OPS of the guys that strike out the most?  .758   

The average OPS of the guys that strike out the least?  .756

WHY IT'S LIKE IT DOESN'T MATTER!

 

 

NameTeamPAK%AVGOBPSLGOPS
 SouzaRays16238.30%0.2250.3210.3940.715
 DavisOrioles15137.70%0.2240.2980.4550.753
 ZuninoMariners12437.10%0.1750.2340.3510.585
 CarterAstros15935.80%0.1610.2700.3280.599
 RasmusAstros13534.10%0.2440.3040.5280.832
 SolerCubs17433.30%0.2650.3330.3870.720
 StantonMarlins17930.70%0.2390.3240.5230.847
 BryantCubs14129.80%0.2890.4110.4820.894
 PedersonDodgers16229.00%0.2340.3850.5230.909
 LaRocheWhite Sox14328.70%0.2220.3640.3590.723
       0.758
        
 BrantleyIndians1516.00%0.3280.4040.5270.931
 MurphyMets1647.30%0.2450.2990.3710.670
 SimmonsBraves1677.80%0.2530.3110.4090.720
 CabreraWhite Sox1677.80%0.2520.3010.2850.586
 AokiGiants1748.00%0.2970.3740.3810.754
 EscobarRoyals1438.40%0.2950.3310.3880.719
 ReverePhillies1708.80%0.2560.3000.3380.638
 MoustakasRoyals1669.00%0.3420.3960.5030.900
 AltuveAstros1909.50%0.3060.3600.4450.805
 PoseyGiants1659.70%0.2990.3700.4630.832
       0.756

 

If only we could have a team of nine Melky Cabrera's on offense!  Trump and Tschmack would be in heaven.  No strikeouts, no HRs.  Just weak ground ball outs and singles.  My heart is all aflutter.  We'd likely be undefeated.  

 

Here's more data.  This is the K%/Runs/G data for all 30 teams this year.  X axis is K % from lowest to highest.  Y axis is runs/game.  If striking out would be worse than other outs and lead to a less productive offense, you SHOULD see all those points moving in a relatively straight line from upper left to lower right.  It looks nothing like that!  It's a relative blob, meaning K% does not correlate at all to how productive your offense is.  WHY IT'S LIKE IT DOESN'T MATTER AT ALL!

 

 

Melvin has plenty of faults and deserves plenty of blame for this roster and its shortcomings.  Striking out is not THE problem, it's not a problem.  Making more outs than hits and walks is a problem with this offense.  

 

Oh well, back to your PTSD of Coach Screamy McTightshorts yelling at you for striking out.  

 

Last edited by Timpranillo
Dead last in batting average and bottom third in runs scored.  In just about every offensive category this team is really bad. 

However, I am not sure though the 2011 Brewers offense (Melvins shining moment) could save this team. 

The pitching stats might be worse than the hitting stats and they make a ton of mistakes in the field and on the pads. 

Bad combination all the way around

A winning percentage of .350 sounds about right

The young guns down in A ball can't develop fast enough

No, Homeruns are not like regular TD's ...

Homeruns are like 50yd bombs for TDs and the Crew are putting on a Cutler like display while believing they have ARodgers.

 

A little more Lacey and RAC from the WRs for the Crew is the way the new GM should refit the Crew.

And yeah, build a new defense to because the pen and the fielding is suspect at best.

 

 

I going to go out on a limb and say you "CAPackFan95" have played baseball ... so I'm sure you've actually got in the box and hit a pitched baseball.

 

Are you saying that the way to "coach" or "push" a player to get power numbers does not matter with his approach, stance, balance .... I'm thinking it does.

 

We have A LOT of players back-footing it when they should be contact hitters(and should be able to hit the infield dirt on a throw from standard OF position BTW). You can go to generic theories on power numbers, etc, etc ... but it sickens me to watch guys that K, do not hit HRs consistently and bat sub-.250 ... sickens me.

Did I mention it sickens me.

 

CAPpy, as soon as they put electronics on Homeplate Umps for balls and strikes auto-calls ... the game will change IMO.

 

Yes, they are ... because IMO, they are symptom.

 

Simply put guys like Carew, Cooper, Brett, Yount, Gwynn(senior of course) ... were .300 hitters because they wanted contact first, then graduated (or got count in their favor statistically speaking, whatever) to power when it was appropriate.

These days guys that have no business swinging out of their shoes are doing it ... doesn't matter count, doesn't matter situation, doesn't matter who is pitching.

The chicks and the agents luv the long-ball so that's whats going and baseball is worst for it right now IMO.

Rant over.

Originally Posted by trump:

I going to go out on a limb and say you "CAPackFan95" have played baseball ... so I'm sure you've actually got in the box and hit a pitched baseball.

Yes.  I played through college.  Well, I was a walk on in college and basically ruined my knees by being the bullpen catcher.  

 

Are you saying that the way to "coach" or "push" a player to get power numbers does not matter with his approach, stance, balance .... I'm thinking it does.

Who said this?

 

We have A LOT of players back-footing it when they should be contact hitters(and should be able to hit the infield dirt on a throw from standard OF position BTW). You can go to generic theories on power numbers, etc, etc ... but it sickens me to watch guys that K, do not hit HRs consistently and bat sub-.250 ... sickens me.

Did I mention it sickens me.

I'm not sure why K's sicken you any more than any other out.  All outs are bad.  There is no actual data that shows that K's correlate to anything.  Good hitters strike out a lot.  Bad hitters strike out a lot.  Good hitters don'r strike out a lot.  Bad hitters don't strike out a lot.  It doesn't mean anything.

 

CAPpy, as soon as they put electronics on Homeplate Umps for balls and strikes auto-calls ... the game will change IMO.

umm?

 

 

This team is hitting .226

That's bad

They are also near the bottom in runs scored

That's worse

The lineup features too many guys that either can't get on base or can't score runs - however that occurs

It's a problem for sure

Ideally you would have more guys that hit singles or doubles or draw walks to set the plate for guys like Gomez and Braun but they don't. 

Doug Melvin is all about power - and he favors hitters to a fault that take that approach.
Originally Posted by chickenboy:
Originally Posted by CAPackFan95:

Doug Melvin told him to put that on his arm?

No Roenicke did and Counsell forgot to tell him to wipe it off.

Of course, Doug did not tell him to do it.  But I think the culture in the Brewers organization has been eroding into a state of futility, mediocrity and breakdown.  Last season's end was the example of that and this season's beginning is the exclamation of it. 

 

When Ron Wolf took over the Packers operations, he came and changed the culture and made it stick.  Doug Melvin was able to boost the Brewers back into respectability and contention, but it is evident to me the environment starting at the top (him) does not have what it takes to turn around this team and keep it heading that way.

 

Now this incident with Smith...sheesh!  You can see the junk on his arm, just shining like a new silver dollar.  Whether it was intentional to leave it on or not, the fact that he say he forgot makes me wonder...In a tight and tied game?  Winners don't forget stupid stuff like that.   And certainly some of his teammates or coaches for that matter, couldda/shouldda said something.

 

Same thing with Ryan Braun's stupid deal with steroids two year ago.  Had Melvin been running a tighter ship, maybe Braun thinks better not to get involved with that junk.  Then you add in Gallardo's DUI last year.  And there's are few other examples too.

 

I think Craig Counsel may be a good choice to manage this team back to respectability.  But he cannot do it all by himself.

 

 

Last edited by GBP1
Originally Posted by GBP1:
Of course, Doug did not tell him to do it. 
Wait, are you SURE the GM isn't down in the clubhouse telling guys to do this?
 
But I think the culture in the Brewers organization has been eroding into a state of futility, mediocrity and breakdown. 
BREAKDOWN!  WILL SMITH PUT VASELINE ON HIS ARM.  WORLD'S GREATEST MONSTER ENABLED BY DOUG MELVIN!
 
Last season's end was the example of that and this season's beginning is the exclamation of it. 
And the semicolon!
 

 

When Ron Wolf took over the Packers operations, he came and changed the culture and made it stick.

Mark Chmura in a hottub with an underage girl nods his head in agreement.  

 

 Doug Melvin was able to boost the Brewers back into respectability and contention, but it is evident to me the environment starting at the top (him) does not have what it takes to turn around this team and keep it heading that way.

Those playoff appearances in 2008 and 2011 were horrible.  I much preferred the days of Dean Taylor and that culture.  Sure, they were going 56-102, but dagnabbit, no cheating!

 

Now this incident with Smith...sheesh!  You can see the junk on his arm, just shining like a new silver dollar.  Whether it was intentional to leave it on or not, the fact that he say he forgot makes me wonder...In a tight and tied game?  Winners don't forget stupid stuff like that.

Will Smith!  Not a winner!  Let's cut him right now!  He's the first pitcher in the history of the game to do something like this.  FOR SHAME. We should all be embarrassed as fans

 

And certainly some of his teammates or coaches for that matter, couldda/shouldda said something.

I guess they couldd have.  Maybe they shouldd have.  Maybe they didn't notice it?  Maybe they did and thought, maybe running out on to the field screaming to stop the game was going to be obvious and they hoped to get to the bottom of the inning and tell him then?  

 

OR MAYBE DOUG MELVIN TOLD COUNSELL TO SHUT UP AND LET IT HAPPEN BECAUSE HE'S THE MANCHURIAN GENERAL MANAGER?  How deep does this conspiracy run?

 

Same thing with Ryan Braun's stupid deal with steroids two year ago.  Had Melvin been running a tighter ship, maybe Braun thinks better not to get involved with that junk.

You know what, I give up.  It was fun mocking the silliness of this post.  But this?  This is too much.  Now Braun took roids  years ago because of the lax way that Melvin was running the show back in 2011.  You remember 2011, right?  NLCS?  Yeah.  

 

BRIAN CASHMAN A POX ON YOUR HOUSE AS WELL!  

 

Then you add in Gallardo's DUI last year.

Oh well, yeah, of course that's on Melvin.

 

*lights self on fire*

 

And there's are few other examples too.

 

I think Craig Counsel may be a good choice to manage this team back to respectability.  But he cannot do it all by himself.

Yeah, it requires the GM getting better players by rebuilding the roster.  It has NOTHING to do with babysitting the players on their post game activities or players taking roids or culture.

 

Of course, the reason the Brewers are doing poorly is they strike out too much.

 

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